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Postby The Corparation » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:14 pm

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The Corparation wrote:What'll they change it too? Moby Richard, Moby Rick, Moby Male Reproductive organ, I say lets do the last one it'll skyrocket sales.


No no, it'll be Moby phallic shaped object!

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Postby Norstal » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:14 pm

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Ceannairceach wrote:Moby... Penis?


Moby Member. At least it has alliteration. But it still fails. :palm:

But you know what should really be censored?

John Hancock's name in the Declaration. *nods*
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:15 pm

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Moby Member. At least it has alliteration. But it still fails. :palm:

But you know what should really be censored?

John Hancock's name in the Declaration. *nods*

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:15 pm

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Moby Member. At least it has alliteration. But it still fails. :palm:

But you know what should really be censored?

John Hancock's name in the Declaration. *nods*

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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:15 pm

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The Rich Port wrote:
Moby Member. At least it has alliteration. But it still fails. :palm:

But you know what should really be censored?

John Hancock's name in the Declaration. *nods*


John hanpenis? :rofl:
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:16 pm

Seperate Vermont wrote:We are risking losing the real meaning of "racism". So many people are idealistic enough to not comprehend the differences in historical and emotional uses, so operate under a delusion of censoring the past rather than trying to correct it.

And we harm civil rights even more by not grasping it's balance.


I was arguing along these lines as well; removing and censoring hides the extent of racism at the time and its use as a rationale for slavery and helps make what was a very unpleasant time for millions of people an artificially pleasant memory of the Old South, where there was no racism and the "peculiar institution" was just, well, peculiar rather than a hierarchy based on oppression and hatred.

Of course, one might wonder about the racial overtones of equivocating black people and slavery as is done inadvertently in this "editing".
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:18 pm

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Norstal wrote:But you know what should really be censored?

John Hancock's name in the Declaration. *nods*


John hanpenis? :rofl:

Relevant clip is relevant.
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Postby Marshmellowstan » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:19 pm

What's next, "War and Peace: Twitter Edition"?
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Postby Crabulonia » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:20 pm

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I did hear one person talking about there being an 'adult' Good version but I've heard no more about it.

Fixed.


Thanks for correcting me, I had forgotten the subtle nuance.

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Postby Unidox » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:22 pm

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Wamitoria wrote:I hope this isn't the only version we'll be able to purchase, now.

There's always eBook.

And if the eBook is censored, replace "black people" with "niggers" as a sign of defiance.

It's like Mad Libs, but with literature.
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Postby Norstal » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:22 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
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John hanpenis? :rofl:

Relevant clip is relevant.

Well, at least we know who was in Masturbator and Commander.
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Postby Chrinthanium » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:22 pm

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The Corparation wrote:The link that says source. :palm: Also not that hard to google the story to confirm it.


try again
Prove the bolded statement


The article:


Robyn Martins: Twain’s raw truth of nation’s history is a much better lesson.

A new edition of Mark Twain’s masterpieces will soon be released, and those of us who revere classic American literature are none too happy about it, and for varying reasons.

NewSouth Books has published “The Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn,” combining the two stories into one volume. The combining of the tales isn’t what is so irksome about the book. It’s the revising of the original text that is causing such a stir.

Some purists believe literature should never be tampered with for any reason. But I’m more concerned with what I see as a missed opportunity to improve education in the schools we’re trying to protect.

In this new edition, editor Dr. Alan Gribben has replaced every instance of the N-word with the word “slave” to eliminate a point of contention for people who want the books banned in schools. The stories of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn are among the most challenged books in school libraries, and the hope is that by cleaning up some of the language, the stories will become more palatable to people who would otherwise not read them.

Under most circumstances, eliminating such a charged word for school children would seem like a good idea, but in the case of the Twain stories, the N-word is used to realistically depict the social attitudes that were once widespread in our nation’s history. Never spoken gratuitously, the term adds a layer of credibility to characters who demonstrate the irony of one race claiming superiority over another, while the supposedly lower race exhibits higher character traits even in the face of extreme adversity.

I recognize that as a Caucasian, I can’t fully understand how painful the N-word may be to African Americans, although I can sympathize to some extent. I bristle at many words used to demean women, to make us feel Less Than, and I wish those words would disappear from the lexicon. The N-word is so offensive, we don’t even write it in its entirety and use code to signify what no decent person would dare speak.

But I think instead of modifying literature to suit sensitive readers, wouldn’t our students be better served by a more nuanced and thorough education? Wouldn’t it benefit them more to learn the cause and effect of the best and worst of human nature, and to be taught the raw truth of our nation’s history so they don’t repeat the mistakes of the past?

We’ll allow students to read a book that includes slavery, and we tell them slavery and bigotry are very bad things, but I think we can trust them to learn a step further. I believe our students are capable of reading a term like the N-word in a realistic setting, as painful as it may be, and then understanding the meaning behind its use. By whitewashing their reading material in order to avoid offending them, or their protective parents, we’re suggesting they aren’t capable of learning at such a level, and we’re shielding them from the full truth.

Some whites used the N-word to deflate the black race in order to inflate themselves, a deplorable trait that is often at the root of conflicts throughout history. So, let’s use Twain’s original stories to teach students that fact, and then let’s teach them there is no place for such a practice in our society.

We have set aside today to honor a man who devoted his life to the cause of racial equality and brotherly love, Martin Luther King, who said, “The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character — that is the goal of true education.”

Gribben has said that this new edition of Twain’s classics is not meant for academic scholars who are still free to read from other editions. I’d suggest it’s not meant for school children, who may learn to think critically if given proper guidance in reading Twain’s original literature.

In fact, let’s start today of all days and open up to page one where young Huck says plainly of the Tom Sawyer story, “That book was made by Mr. Mark Twain, and he told the truth, mainly. There was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth.”

Robyn Martins of Dover is regular contributor to The Times-Reporter.


The bolded and underlined words at the top of the article seem to be what he is referencing for us in the OP. The two stories of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn are being combined into one volume and the N-word is being removed as an added gesture.

THough, to say no one can speak or say it is not a true statement. I can say it, speak it, think it, write it, type it.. a million times a day, without me really caring about it.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:23 pm

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Wamitoria wrote::palm: This is what Ray Bradbury was warning us about...

...and Orwell and Huxley and Santayana, in different ways. Rewriting past works to suit the present is merely a special case of rewriting the past to suit the present.

Doubleplus ungood. But as Bradbury put it in Fahrenheit, the government didn't need to do it -- we'll lap it right up. Case in point: the edited versions of Hollywood Blockbusters to make them more family friendly....

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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:23 pm

Marshmellowstan wrote:What's next, "War and Peace: Twitter Edition"?


It would make the book more readable.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:24 pm

Wilgrove wrote:It would make the book more readable.

I'm not sure anything can make W&P more readable.
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Postby Wamitoria » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:24 pm

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Wilgrove wrote:It would make the book more readable.

I'm not sure anything can make W&P more readable.

Not even a match?
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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:25 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:It would make the book more readable.

I'm not sure anything can make W&P more readable.


Hmm true. I once saw a copy of it in the bookstore, and I was like dayum.

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Wilgrove wrote:Hmm true. I once saw a copy of it in the bookstore, and I was like dayum.

I'm usually down with large books... But that's no book, it's a damn doorstopper. :lol:
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:27 pm

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Marshmellowstan wrote:What's next, "War and Peace: Twitter Edition"?


It would make the book more readable.


And less of a waste of time. Did I really need 1,000+ pages to tell me that a bunch of Russian aristocrats and peasants realized "war is bad"?

In the period of time it took me to read the damn thing, I would have already been on tour in Afghanistan TWICE.
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Postby Wilgrove » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:27 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:Hmm true. I once saw a copy of it in the bookstore, and I was like dayum.

I'm usually down with large books... But that's no book, it's a damn doorstopper. :lol:


I wonder what would happen if you drop W&P from the Empire State Building. :p

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Postby Norstal » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:29 pm

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It would make the book more readable.

No it wouldn't.

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Wilgrove wrote:I wonder what would happen if you drop W&P from the Empire State Building. :p

Earthquake in New York.
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Postby Chrinthanium » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:29 pm

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Northwest Slobovia wrote:...and Orwell and Huxley and Santayana, in different ways. Rewriting past works to suit the present is merely a special case of rewriting the past to suit the present.

Doubleplus ungood. But as Bradbury put it in Fahrenheit, the government didn't need to do it -- we'll lap it right up. Case in point: the edited versions of Hollywood Blockbusters to make them more family friendly....


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Postby Crabulonia » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:29 pm

If I was an English Literature teacher I would probably trawl about second hand shops looking for the old unsullied copies with which I could corrupt the childrens minds by teaching them lessons about the stupidity of racism.

Hardcore rule breaking.

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Postby Unidox » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:32 pm

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Wilgrove wrote:I wonder what would happen if you drop W&P from the Empire State Building. :p

Earthquake in New York.

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