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[ABANDONDED] Furtherment of Education

Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:51 pm

Recognizing a need for quality education in member states,

Noting that the term "school" includes institutions of higher learning,

This resolution requires the creation of "World Schools", as defined in Article 1 in all member states.

It also requires the formation of "World Schools Committee", as defined in Article 2.

Article 1: World Schools
A. "World Schools" are a government-funded program that would act as a grad or vocational school,
B. these schools would serve to provide a rigorous, high-quality education, offering professional development that improves pedagogy and leadership.

Article 2: World Schools Committee
A. A World Schools Committee is to be formed to complete the tasks listed in this article:
B. The World Schools Committee, also to be known as the WSC, will be in charge of mandating a curriculum that executes a non-traditional learning platform.
Ba. The Non-traditional learning platform is to be defined as the combination of maths, sciences, social studies, and other educational departments in overlapping courses.
Bb. An example of a non-traditional learning platform course as used in this document, is a physics course that focuses on how to use algebraic skills to create formulas to demonstrate theories, rather than the just an overview of the topic.
C. The WSC will also define the annual "school year period."
D. The WS will also set a quota for the amount of state funding required for each World School.
Da. Each member nation will have the right to finance their World Schools as they see fit.
Db. Clarification: Finance is not used to define how much funding should be allotted, but where it is allotted from.

Article 4: Addressment of Financial Decisions
A. If a member-nation could not support its World School, it should appeal to the International or Regional community for assistance.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:59 pm

OOC: If this is a "redraft", where's the previous draft? Also, I can't see how this would be a good idea to implement WA-wide. Especially given the terminal vagueness and giving a committee the freedom to randomly mandate government spending.

Have you looked at the existing educational resolutions? What are you adding that is not already done by them and any reasonable nation to begin with? I mean, what good are you adding?
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Postby Morover » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:05 pm

Araraukar wrote:OOC: If this is a "redraft", where's the previous draft? Also, I can't see how this would be a good idea to implement WA-wide. Especially given the terminal vagueness and giving a committee the freedom to randomly mandate government spending.

Have you looked at the existing educational resolutions? What are you adding that is not already done by them and any reasonable nation to begin with? I mean, what good are you adding?

OOC: He had a draft he posted on the proposals spot that got marked illegal.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:17 pm

Morover wrote:OOC: He had a draft he posted on the proposals spot that got marked illegal.

OOC: But none on the forums? Or was it saved in the Illegals thread?
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Postby Morover » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:21 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Morover wrote:OOC: He had a draft he posted on the proposals spot that got marked illegal.

OOC: But none on the forums? Or was it saved in the Illegals thread?

OOC: I do not believe so, but it was marked illegal for duplication of GAR#80 and #159, as you mentioned, as well as an additional metagaming illegality it had (it mentioned regional delegates, I believe). If GenSec has something to add that I missed, let me know.

That being said, I gotta agree with Araraukar here. This seems to be unnecessary with the prior education resolutions currently in place.

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:10 pm

(OOC: Welcome to the General Assembly. Unfortunately, this topic seems to be one unsuited to the GA’s style of legislation. World schools aren’t necessarily needed given existing resolutions. Also, you have a few illegalities. However, your style of writing is good, so I encourage you to stay around here.)
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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:38 pm

Disregard this forum message.
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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:39 pm

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Welcome to the General Assembly. Unfortunately, this topic seems to be one unsuited to the GA’s style of legislation. World schools aren’t necessarily needed given existing resolutions. Also, you have a few illegalities. However, your style of writing is good, so I encourage you to stay around here.)


I ask that you look at the 2nd redraft I have prepared.

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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:39 pm

Morover wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: But none on the forums? Or was it saved in the Illegals thread?

OOC: I do not believe so, but it was marked illegal for duplication of GAR#80 and #159, as you mentioned, as well as an additional metagaming illegality it had (it mentioned regional delegates, I believe). If GenSec has something to add that I missed, let me know.

That being said, I gotta agree with Araraukar here. This seems to be unnecessary with the prior education resolutions currently in place.


I ask that you look at the 2nd redraft I have prepared.

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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:40 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Morover wrote:OOC: He had a draft he posted on the proposals spot that got marked illegal.

OOC: But none on the forums? Or was it saved in the Illegals thread?


I ask that you look at the 2nd redraft I have prepared.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:43 pm

Quotas of students? Seriously?
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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:46 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Quotas of students? Seriously?


Yes. That way a nation couldn't just have 1 student and say that they are complying.

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:00 pm

(OOC: Please put your current draft in your opening post. That way, it is easier to find when somebody clicks on the topic for the first time. Currently, clause 3A appears to contradict General Assembly resolution #035, Charter of a Civil Rights, which bans discrimination. As written, a government could choose to ban all black students, which isn’t allowed.

Also, quotas are very hard to manage. Suppose the WSC made a quota of 1000 students, which the school filled, but then twenty of them suddenly moved abroad. Without much warning, the government will receive fines for noncompliance, and be unable to fix this if all other students are already in school.)
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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:10 pm

Kenmoria wrote: Also, quotas are very hard to manage. Suppose the WSC made a quota of 1000 students, which the school filled, but then twenty of them suddenly moved abroad. Without much warning, the government will receive fines for noncompliance, and be unable to fix this if all other students are already in school.)


It is not the place of a resolution to decide how the committee operates, which includes how it woulkd handle such a problem. Article 2 is simply a guideline for the creation of the committee. The committee then could redefine itself what tasks it would undertake and which that it would not. If you have a better way for me to write the clause, plz feel free to telegram me.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:53 pm

United Civil Republic wrote:It is not the place of a resolution to decide how the committee operates

OOC: That is literally what this resolution should do.

Also...
United Civil Republic wrote:I ask that you look at the 2nd redraft I have prepared.
United Civil Republic wrote:I ask that you look at the 2nd redraft I have prepared.
United Civil Republic wrote:I ask that you look at the 2nd redraft I have prepared.

Triple posting the exact same thing is spamming. It doesn't matter that you're the OP, it's still spamming.
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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:01 pm

Araraukar wrote:
United Civil Republic wrote:It is not the place of a resolution to decide how the committee operates

OOC: That is literally what this resolution should do.

Also...
United Civil Republic wrote:I ask that you look at the 2nd redraft I have prepared.
United Civil Republic wrote:I ask that you look at the 2nd redraft I have prepared.
United Civil Republic wrote:I ask that you look at the 2nd redraft I have prepared.

Triple posting the exact same thing is spamming. It doesn't matter that you're the OP, it's still spamming.


OOC: Legally it can't. I can suggest the formation of a committee to oversee certain topics, but it can not dictate anything about the committee.
See Committees under Proposal Basics here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348

OOC: I could have done that better, yes. Thank you for noting that.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:09 pm

United Civil Republic wrote:OOC: Legally it can't. I can suggest the formation of a committee to oversee certain topics, but it can not dictate anything about the committee.
See Committees under Proposal Basics here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348

OOC: That is not what that rule means. You just can't say who sits at the committee or how long they sit there.
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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:12 pm

Araraukar wrote:
United Civil Republic wrote:OOC: Legally it can't. I can suggest the formation of a committee to oversee certain topics, but it can not dictate anything about the committee.
See Committees under Proposal Basics here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348

OOC: That is not what that rule means. You just can't say who sits at the committee or how long they sit there.


OOC: Fair enough.

Do you have a formal proposition for any details of this draft or do you think it is good?

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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:13 pm

United Civil Republic wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:Quotas of students? Seriously?


Yes. That way a nation couldn't just have 1 student and say that they are complying.

No quotas. They are entirely counterproductive to any educational facility, emphasizing bean counting over quality of education.

(OOC: still illegal for duplication as well, in my opinion.)
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Postby Kyoki Chudoku » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:19 pm

The Chudokuren ambassador- Tokiko Suou- sat down, a new aide also beside her. Tokiko was a tall woman covered in tally-mark scars, an eyepatch covering her left eye- war wounds. In stark contrast, her aide was a cheerful young woman named Eimu Tanifuji, a smile plastered on her face.

“So, let me get this straight,” said Tokiko. “This proposal is about government funded schools which the government can choose not to fund- says its funded they see fit, see, Now, much as my government would love not to have to fund these things, wouldn’t that mean that, bear with me...they would not be funded? Or is that what the quota is for? Also, is this curriculum gonna be universal? ‘Cause that means that history classes would be all about things that might not have relevance to the nation the school is in, and that won’t do. Also, wouldn’t making the year periods of these “World Schools” different to local schools be an issue? And having to enrol a certain number of people in these things isn’t always a government decision. That comes down to parents in a lot of places. Even here it does.”
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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:55 pm

Kyoki Chudoku wrote:The Chudokuren ambassador- Tokiko Suou- sat down, a new aide also beside her. Tokiko was a tall woman covered in tally-mark scars, an eyepatch covering her left eye- war wounds. In stark contrast, her aide was a cheerful young woman named Eimu Tanifuji, a smile plastered on her face.

“So, let me get this straight,” said Tokiko. “This proposal is about government funded schools which the government can choose not to fund- says its funded they see fit, see, Now, much as my government would love not to have to fund these things, wouldn’t that mean that, bear with me...they would not be funded? Or is that what the quota is for? Also, is this curriculum gonna be universal? ‘Cause that means that history classes would be all about things that might not have relevance to the nation the school is in, and that won’t do. Also, wouldn’t making the year periods of these “World Schools” different to local schools be an issue? And having to enrol a certain number of people in these things isn’t always a government decision. That comes down to parents in a lot of places. Even here it does.”


The Representative for UCR, Jackson Hughes, responds starkly, "We will need to continue working with the wording of the resolution as far as financing goes, but yes that is what the WCS quota is designed to do. Concerning your issues with the curriculum and school year period, both would be decided by the WCS, but this is also designed as a higher-level school program, as stated as such, like a vocational school or grad school. And, finally concerning the enrollment quota, you are not the first one to show concern, and once I leave this meeting, my draft writers will remove it.


OOC: Please look back at the draft and note any changes I make. Thank you.

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:41 pm

“What exactly is the difference between a normal school and a world school? What is this proposal trying to accomplish by separating the two?”
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Postby United Civil Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:45 pm

Kenmoria wrote:“What exactly is the difference between a normal school and a world school? What is this proposal trying to accomplish by separating the two?”


"A World School is different because it encourage students of all ages to think critically and challenge assumptions, develop independently of government and national systems, incorporates quality practice from research and the global community of schools, encourage students of all ages to consider both local and global contexts, and helps develop multilingual students."

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:06 am

United Civil Republic wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:“What exactly is the difference between a normal school and a world school? What is this proposal trying to accomplish by separating the two?”


"A World School is different because it encourage students of all ages to think critically and challenge assumptions, develop independently of government and national systems, incorporates quality practice from research and the global community of schools, encourage students of all ages to consider both local and global contexts, and helps develop multilingual students."

So, an indoctrination center instead of an educational facility.
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Postby United Civil Republic » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:14 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
United Civil Republic wrote:
"A World School is different because it encourage students of all ages to think critically and challenge assumptions, develop independently of government and national systems, incorporates quality practice from research and the global community of schools, encourage students of all ages to consider both local and global contexts, and helps develop multilingual students."

So, an indoctrination center instead of an educational facility.


It could be, but that is why the committee is formed, theoretically the committee would be culturualy diverse. That is as much as I can say without trying to meta-game my resolution.
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