Is Freedom of Religion Overrated?

[Byrrazan]

Islamic "extremism" and gang rape in Sweden, fantastical Christian mothers indoctrinating their kids into believing fairytale b*llshit, people being killed for not believing in a "God" (most notably apostates, infidels, non Christians, non Muslims).

Is freedom of religion overrated? Does it give you the right to be ignorant to reality? Does it give you a legitimate reason to persecute, oppress, or even murder someone whom does not hold the same belief system as you?

One final question, does it give you the right to control people's lives like dogs on leashes?

Whenever i step outside, somebody claims to see the light
It seems to me that all of us have lost our patience.
'cause everyone thinks they're right,
And nobody thinks that there just might
Be more than one road to our final destination

But i'm not ever going to know if i'm right or wrong
'cause we're all going in the same direction
And i'm not sure which way to go because all along
We've been going in the same direction

I'm tired of playing games, of looking for someone else to blame
For all the holes in answers that are clearly showing
For something to fill the space, was all of the time i spent a waste
'cause so many choices point the same way i was going.....

So why does there only have to be one correct philosophy?
I don't want to go and follow you just to end up like one of them
And why are you always telling me what you want me to believe?
I'd like to think that i can go my own way and meet you in the end.

But i'm not ever going to know..........

[Ifreann]

Islamic "extremism" and gang rape in Sweden, fantastical Christian mothers indoctrinating their kids into believing fairytale b*llshit, people being killed for not believing in a "God" (most notably apostates, infidels, non Christians, non Muslims).

Is freedom of religion overrated? Does it give you the right to be ignorant to reality? Does it give you a legitimate reason to persecute, oppress, or even murder someone whom does not hold the same belief system as you?

One final question, does it give you the right to control people's lives like dogs on leashes?

The answer to all your questions is no. Freedom of religion is great. Religious people sometimes being shit doesn't change that.

[Redsection]

No,is atheism overrated ? Simply a question.

[Byrrazan]

No,is atheism overrated ? Simply a question.

Atheism and agnosticism is freedom from ignorance.

[Ifreann]

No,is atheism overrated ? Simply a question.

Apparently it leads to euphoria. Never figured out how, personally.

[Ashlak]

You do know that you can believe in freedom of religion, and not personally like religion at the same time, right?

Like myself. I do honestly think that the world would be better off without religion, but I still respect people's right to believe what they want.

[The Corradino Islands]

No,is atheism overrated ? Simply a question.

Atheism and agnosticism is freedom from ignorance.

Can You Prove There Is No God? No
Can I Prove There Is One? No

So were all wrong, lets move on now.

[Ifreann]

No,is atheism overrated ? Simply a question.

Atheism and agnosticism is freedom from ignorance.

Agnosticism is a position of explicit ignorance.

[Redsection]

No,is atheism overrated ? Simply a question.

Atheism and agnosticism is freedom from ignorance.

Not believing in something is simply illogical,If there is a god then atheist's are screwed,If atheists are right then congratulations to them.so I am saying it's only logical,Why risk it ?

[Byrrazan]

Atheism and agnosticism is freedom from ignorance.

Can You Prove There Is No God? No
Can I Prove There Is One? No

So were all wrong, lets move on now.

No, and no. But most scientific discoveries disprove claims from holy texts.

[Byrrazan]

My apologies for accidentally deleted you votes. I wanted to delete a vote. Please recast your votes if you wish.

[Ashlak]

Can You Prove There Is No God? No
Can I Prove There Is One? No

So were all wrong, lets move on now.

No, and no. But most scientific discoveries disprove claims from holy texts.

And that may be true, but why use that as an excuse to deprive people of an important civil liberty? You do realize that while state atheism technically speaking isn't a theocracy, it works exactly like one, and isn't any better then them.

[Rajnostan]

My idea is that we should abuse freedom of religion so badly that people understand that it isn't such a great idea. Make up and practice your own religions and make them as insane and stupid as you can.

[Wallenburg]

Islamic "extremism" and gang rape in Sweden, fantastical Christian mothers indoctrinating their kids into believing fairytale b*llshit, people being killed for not believing in a "God" (most notably apostates, infidels, non Christians, non Muslims).

Is freedom of religion overrated? Does it give you the right to be ignorant to reality? Does it give you a legitimate reason to persecute, oppress, or even murder someone whom does not hold the same belief system as you?

One final question, does it give you the right to control people's lives like dogs on leashes?

No, no, no, and no.

[Byrrazan]

No, and no. But most scientific discoveries disprove claims from holy texts.

And that may be true, but why use that as an excuse to deprive people of an important civil liberty? You do realize that while state atheism technically speaking isn't a theocracy, it works exactly like one, and isn't any better then them.

Religion is used as an excuse to believe in whatever the hell you want and you won't be questioned about it by the federal government. Sure this nation was founded upon religious freedom, but that was something that was "needed" back then. State atheism provides the opportunity to be free of religious indoctrination and indoctrination in my eyes should be seen as a crime and child abuse. Sure state atheism may not be a theocracy, and it may work like one, but at least you aren't forced into believing a myth.

[Bentrada]

Yes, and we should impose mandatory atheism upon all citizens and discriminate blindly against any and all religions. It worked great in the USSR.

[Lost heros]

No.

And that has been another segment of simple answers to stupid questions.

[Ifreann]

Atheism and agnosticism is freedom from ignorance.

Can You Prove There Is No God? No
Can I Prove There Is One? No

So were all wrong, lets move on now.

I proved there wasn't a god while working on a flat tax proposal. Then I remembered that flat taxes sucked and threw the whole thing out.

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Atheism and agnosticism is freedom from ignorance.

Not believing in something is simply illogical,If there is a god then atheist's are screwed,If atheists are right then congratulations to them.so I am saying it's only logical,Why risk it ?

Because if I'm right Blaise owes me 5 écus.

[Redsection]

Can You Prove There Is No God? No
Can I Prove There Is One? No

So were all wrong, lets move on now.

I proved there wasn't a god while working on a flat tax proposal. Then I remembered that flat taxes sucked and threw the whole thing out.

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Not believing in something is simply illogical,If there is a god then atheist's are screwed,If atheists are right then congratulations to them.so I am saying it's only logical,Why risk it ?

Because if I'm right Blaise owes me 5 écus.

What ?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

One's freedom ends where another's freedom begins, simple as that. My freedom to worship as I like does not include telling others how they ought to worship, imposing moral restrictions on their own opinions, speech, dress, traditions, or other details. It allows me to attend whatever church I want, pray as I want, raise my children as I want (within reason mind you - there's rules about that too, thank god), and even donate money to it if I choose.

This does not give me the right to belittle others for their beliefs. It doesn't mean I can engage in acts of violence against other persons or groups. Anyone claiming it does is ignorant of what 'freedom of religion' means. No one of us, or group of us, ought to be unfairly disenfranchised because of another group - regardless of what those opposing sides may be.

Ideally, it would mean, in my opinion, an open acceptance of various religious symbols during holidays that are associated with it, without all the foofaraw that tends to go on these days - and yes, I do mean any, so long as they are respectful, and are not set up simply to provoke, but to celebrate. It would mean that whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, or any other faith, we could discuss the differences in our faiths, and agree to disagree while shaking hands and going on with our lives as we see fit. It would mean coming together as a society, not just a faith, when tragedy befalls one group or another, in spite of the fact we may not hold the same beliefs. It would mean that we all choose to live, and let live (again, within reason), and come down with reasonable harshness on those who insist on operating outside of those lines to harm or attempt to silence others who do not believe the same way. It would mean supporting those who don't share our beliefs in spite of that difference - and leaving secular matters outside, to be dealt with secularly rather than drag religion all through it. And for acknowledgement of the right of people to not be ridiculed for their choices in that regard - whether to be religious, or to not.

But that's ideally. Truth, I'd probably be happy if people could just quit using god or religion as an excuse to be assholes to one another, whatever side they happen to be on, but hey. >_o

[Byrrazan]

Not believing in something is simply illogical,If there is a god then atheist's are screwed,If atheists are right then congratulations to them.so I am saying it's only logical,Why risk it ?

Why doesent anyone answer this,it seems pretty legit.

Why should we be screwed if God does exist? If God really was a great, loving, and merciful God then he wouldn't allow Hell to exist. That is why I am a Satanist (Atheistically)

[Ifreann]

I proved there wasn't a god while working on a flat tax proposal. Then I remembered that flat taxes sucked and threw the whole thing out.

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Because if I'm right Blaise owes me 5 écus.

What ?

Trust me, it's funny.

[Lost heros]

I proved there wasn't a god while working on a flat tax proposal. Then I remembered that flat taxes sucked and threw the whole thing out.

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Because if I'm right Blaise owes me 5 écus.

What ?

Because pascal's argument is bad.

[Ashlak]

And that may be true, but why use that as an excuse to deprive people of an important civil liberty? You do realize that while state atheism technically speaking isn't a theocracy, it works exactly like one, and isn't any better then them.

Religion is used as an excuse to believe in whatever the hell you want and you won't be questioned about it by the federal government. Sure this nation was founded upon religious freedom, but that was something that was "needed" back then. State atheism provides the opportunity to be free of religious indoctrination and indoctrination in my eyes should be seen as a crime and child abuse. Sure state atheism may not be a theocracy, and it may work like one, but at least you aren't forced into believing a myth.

And forcing people to believe in atheism somehow isn't tyrannical? If you don't want religion pushed on people, why not just support state secularism?

[Dyakovo]

Islamic "extremism" and gang rape in Sweden, fantastical Christian mothers indoctrinating their kids into believing fairytale b*llshit, people being killed for not believing in a "God" (most notably apostates, infidels, non Christians, non Muslims).

Is freedom of religion overrated? Does it give you the right to be ignorant to reality? Does it give you a legitimate reason to persecute, oppress, or even murder someone whom does not hold the same belief system as you?

One final question, does it give you the right to control people's lives like dogs on leashes?

The answer to all your questions is no. Freedom of religion is great. Religious people sometimes being shit doesn't change that.

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