At the rate things are going on this thread, the only people that will be allowed to vote will be Jesus and Bart Simpson. And even then, Jesus would have to provide proof that he is a US citizen, if he were to vote in TX.
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by Ixzara » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:19 am
by MERIZoC » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:20 am
The Neo-Confederate States of America wrote:So NSG, should those who are not intelligent be allowed to vote.
A CNN columnist says No:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/12/g ... rant.vote/
New Jersey says yes:
http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/id ... d-to-vote/
My opinion on the issue:
First of all, laws against those who are "not intelligent" voting should not be used against someone for their political identity, or race, for that would probably lead to modern Jim Crow laws. However I don't believe the uninformed should be allowed to vote. As far as I know, those not intelligent, sometimes referred to by the term "idiot", which basically means, in the context of law, someone who is insane or mentally incompetent ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot#United_States_law ). I personally think "not intelligent", in the USA, should be classified as anyone who:
Doesn't know what 2+2 is
doesn't know who the first president is
doesn't know who the current President, and Vice President are
can't find the USA on a world map
Doesn't know what the 1st amendment is (it's the amendment that provides Freedom of Speech, Religion, Assembly, and Press)
That's my belief on the issue. But what say of you NSG? What do you think on the issue?
by Forster Keys » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:20 am
Agritum wrote:Forster Keys wrote:
Too right. And they also often degenerated into oligarchies or indeed, were nothing more than a mafiocracy of competing families from the start. The past does not present us with many utopias.
Other than that, they were usually annexed by decidedly not communal foreign powers.
by Annagrad » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:21 am
by Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:22 am
Ixzara wrote:Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:It looks like you can't vote then.
At the rate things are going on this thread, the only people that will be allowed to vote will be Jesus and Bart Simpson. And even then, Jesus would have to provide proof that he is a US citizen, if he were to vote in TX.
by Mavorpen » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:24 am
Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:Ixzara wrote:At the rate things are going on this thread, the only people that will be allowed to vote will be Jesus and Bart Simpson. And even then, Jesus would have to provide proof that he is a US citizen, if he were to vote in TX.
Jesus would be quickly arrested in Texas for teaching peaceful ways. Never mind the fact that he is fucking Jesus and Texas is ultra religious. Anyone with long hair and a shaggy beard is automatically a no good hippy.
by Ixzara » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:26 am
Mavorpen wrote:Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:Jesus would be quickly arrested in Texas for teaching peaceful ways. Never mind the fact that he is fucking Jesus and Texas is ultra religious. Anyone with long hair and a shaggy beard is automatically a no good hippy.
Jesus would also be arrested at the Airport and subject to stop and frisk. *nods*
by Mavorpen » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:28 am
by Great Nepal » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:29 am
Forster Keys wrote:Great Nepal wrote:Yes, direct democracies would work in those communities... but those communities are not something that is in interest of humanity. If every city in world was a state in itself capable of going to war with neighbour at any moment: we would be wasting so much resources and lack pool of resources that we couldn't have made a lot of advancements we have made thanks to centralization.
They wouldn't really be states, as far as we know them. The community would be so integrated into the decision making process it would be difficult to tell where the state began and ended, if it existed at all. But yes those problems do present themselves. The decentralised clans of prehistory fought and killed one another constantly. Ideally the movement that forged these communes would be in the spirit of internationalism and classlessness. Or at least be wise enough to realise that it's much better for communes to share resources and ideas with one another for mutual benefit than wage war.
by Antarticaria » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:33 am
by Ixzara » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:33 am
Great Nepal wrote:Forster Keys wrote:
They wouldn't really be states, as far as we know them. The community would be so integrated into the decision making process it would be difficult to tell where the state began and ended, if it existed at all. But yes those problems do present themselves. The decentralised clans of prehistory fought and killed one another constantly. Ideally the movement that forged these communes would be in the spirit of internationalism and classlessness. Or at least be wise enough to realise that it's much better for communes to share resources and ideas with one another for mutual benefit than wage war.
Yes, ideally. Ideally we would not need to do that because people would not be apathetic to decisions that affect everyone including themselves. Even more ideally, we would get a supercomputer that can make those decisions logically, replicators to create pocket universe from which it drains zero point energy to give all of us free stuff leaving humans to do what they want.
Unfortunately, ideal doesn't happen. Even if we could isolate part of brain where anger is stored and wipe it clean using special laser, at some point, you are bound to get conflict between two communes: be it over land, people or "he looked at me funny!1!" and when that happens there is bound to be war. When that happens, some bright spark in third commune will realise that his grains now go for lot more in return than before and he can make a lot of profit if two people fight rather than share.
by Meepcraftia » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:38 am
by Forster Keys » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:41 am
Great Nepal wrote:Forster Keys wrote:
They wouldn't really be states, as far as we know them. The community would be so integrated into the decision making process it would be difficult to tell where the state began and ended, if it existed at all. But yes those problems do present themselves. The decentralised clans of prehistory fought and killed one another constantly. Ideally the movement that forged these communes would be in the spirit of internationalism and classlessness. Or at least be wise enough to realise that it's much better for communes to share resources and ideas with one another for mutual benefit than wage war.
Yes, ideally. Ideally we would not need to do that because people would not be apathetic to decisions that affect everyone including themselves. Even more ideally, we would get a supercomputer that can make those decisions logically, replicators to create pocket universe from which it drains zero point energy to give all of us free stuff leaving humans to do what they want.
Unfortunately, ideal doesn't happen. Even if we could isolate part of brain where anger is stored and wipe it clean using special laser, at some point, you are bound to get conflict between two communes: be it over land, people or "he looked at me funny!1!" and when that happens there is bound to be war. When that happens, some bright spark in third commune will realise that his grains now go for lot more in return than before and he can make a lot of profit if two people fight rather than share.
by Twilight Imperium » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:50 am
Meepcraftia wrote:I think if a person is capable of getting him/herself to the voting place, they should be allowed to vote.
Polling Guy wrote:You have no keys in your pocket? Guards! Seize this filthy carpooler!
Carpooler wrote:Carpooling is the right of all sentient bein- OW! Not the face!
by Ixzara » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:55 am
Twilight Imperium wrote:Meepcraftia wrote:I think if a person is capable of getting him/herself to the voting place, they should be allowed to vote.
That's actually a decent criteria, imnsho, but imagine actually trying to implement it!Polling Guy wrote:You have no keys in your pocket? Guards! Seize this filthy carpooler!Carpooler wrote:Carpooling is the right of all sentient bein- OW! Not the face!
by Twilight Imperium » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:08 am
Ixzara wrote:It is decent criteria. The only problem is that by striking down section 4 of the Civil Rights Act, several states (Namely Texas) have taken steps that could make voting more difficult, Including requiring voter ID to attempt to resolve a problem that doesn't exist. Additionally, women who have married now have to have a paper trail to prove they are who they say they are, if they decided to change their name after marriage.
by Ixzara » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:10 am
Twilight Imperium wrote:Ixzara wrote:It is decent criteria. The only problem is that by striking down section 4 of the Civil Rights Act, several states (Namely Texas) have taken steps that could make voting more difficult, Including requiring voter ID to attempt to resolve a problem that doesn't exist. Additionally, women who have married now have to have a paper trail to prove they are who they say they are, if they decided to change their name after marriage.
I could have prefaced my post with "assuming the retarded assertion that putting more criteria on who can vote is a good idea and further assuming that any criteria will be taken to their ultimate fascist extreme", but that was kind of the joke.
by Ethel mermania » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:07 am
by Ethel mermania » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:09 am
by Dyakovo » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:33 am
by Ethel mermania » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:58 am
by Dyakovo » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:14 pm
Ethel mermania wrote:Dyakovo wrote:So, non-citizens can vote?
i meant within the context of the thread, non citizens, convicted felons and those who do not have the mental competence to control their own affairs as determined by a court of law (ie someone else who has guardianship over the person). which would also include minors.
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