Homosexuality a trend?

[Solarys]

That is as hard as i am willing to try.

Eeyup.

Kinda my point.

I thought it was why the need for the distinction/differentiation/label ?

[Shnercropolis]

My latin teacher had a neat analogy for this. he called it 'the tabletop', and I'm pretty sure he ripped it off from somebody. But anyway here it is:

A new idea is introduced(say, evolution). The people born before or not long after the idea was introduced think of it as a threat to the way they percieve the world, and reject it. However, over time there are less people born before and more people born after the idea, and after awhile the idea becomes accepted. This model is not perfect, though, because the staunch disbelievers will also tell their children that their views are correct. So, we could say that it takes twice as long as usual or an idea to be fully accepted via this model than it would without that effect.

The fact that evolution is still not believed in by many people in this world is a testament to the fact that it can take a very, very long time for an idea to be accepted into society.


AAAAANYWAY, I do think that homosexuality is a trend. Or at least the idea of homosexuality is, since homosexual people have existed since the dawn of man.

[Zuxu]

LMFAOOOOOO stop gays plz they harm society like seriously . with their fucking my choice WTF IS THAT

[Shnercropolis]

LMFAOOOOOO stop gays plz they harm society like seriously . with their fucking my choice WTF IS THAT

'with their fucking my choice'? Huh?

[The Rich Port]

LMFAOOOOOO stop gays plz they harm society like seriously . with their fucking my choice WTF IS THAT

'with their fucking my choice'? Huh?

It's something moronic, I'm sure.

... Methinks I should go look in the thesaurus for more words for "stupid".

[Onza]

... Nowadays kids think that homosexuality is...cool! Let's look at one video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGuMEZhxgY. Since when did homothug among children become...cool?

Just read the two top comments for that video:

#1: "im 15 and never ever heard of anyone i know being into gay rap. that is disgusting on all levels and gay black females is something that i see every single day recently. this world is crazy"

That doesn't sound like anybody thinks it's a trend.

#2: "These n****s gay"

Again, reading just about every single comment there is just more and more of a reflection of the negative opinions that some of today's children, teens, and young adults maintain on homosexuality. By no means is a YouTube comment section representative of any large group of opinions, but it kind of defeats your source.

I don't think homosexuality is a trend by any means. With how little of the population is actually homosexual (in proportion to those who identify as heterosexual), it's hard to imagine that homosexuality would be something people prescribe to just to fit in. I'd find homophobia being a trend more believable than that, sadly.

[Nigerian Kenya]

Well, no, because 27 years ago, I wasn't even born yet. But had I been alive and intelligent at the time, I would probably not have foreseen at least the latter condition.

However, the U.S. never killed people for being gay, so it wasn't as hard of a change to come about as it might be elsewhere....

Oh, and I should remind you that there are still countries that allow slavery, which emphasizes the hardness of decriminalization of homosexuality without exception by 2040.....

If you mean virtual slavery (i.e. oppression of women in sharia regimes), yes. As for slavery as a direct legal matter, however, it is illegal under international human rights law and in every country in the world. Thankfully.

I'm referring to that, as well as sex slaves, and I'm also referring to countries like Myanmar where you can be forced into slavery for criticizing the government. The United Nations isn't like the NS World Assembly. Real-Life Nations are free to ignore any UN resolution they don't like, and as long as the international court system doesn't go after them, there are no safeguards against such ignoring. All you need to disprove the statement "Direct slavery is illegal in all countries." is one counterexample. The one counterexample I'm providing is Myanmar. I'm sorry, but your argument has fallen flat.

Also, we aren't talking about complete decriminalization in all currently democratic countries, which is very likely to be the case within 20 years. I'm talking about decriminalization in all countries, including the ones that are viciously communist and crush any sort of upheaval to change laws. That's going to take a lot longer than 27 years, because first those countries will have to become democracies, and then they will have to allow homosexuals to be open and avowed. That is a terribly long process.

If 2060 comes around and gay marriage is legal everywhere without exception, I'll be more than happy to admit my wrong prediction. Same goes if 2040 comes around and being homosexual is legal everywhere without exception. But for now, I'm going with Decriminalization happening between 2085 - 2110, inclusive, and complete marriage legalization happening between 2130 - 2155, inclusive.

[Bottle]

If you mean virtual slavery (i.e. oppression of women in sharia regimes), yes. As for slavery as a direct legal matter, however, it is illegal under international human rights law and in every country in the world. Thankfully.

I'm referring to that, as well as sex slaves, and I'm also referring to countries like Myanmar where you can be forced into slavery for criticizing the government. The United Nations isn't like the NS World Assembly. Real-Life Nations are free to ignore any UN resolution they don't like, and as long as the international court system doesn't go after them, there are no safeguards against such ignoring. All you need to disprove the statement "Direct slavery is illegal in all countries." is one counterexample. The one counterexample I'm providing is Myanmar. I'm sorry, but your argument has fallen flat.

Also, we aren't talking about complete decriminalization in all currently democratic countries, which is very likely to be the case within 20 years. I'm talking about decriminalization in all countries, including the ones that are viciously communist and crush any sort of upheaval to change laws. That's going to take a lot longer than 27 years, because first those countries will have to become democracies, and then they will have to allow homosexuals to be open and avowed. That is a terribly long process.

If 2060 comes around and gay marriage is legal everywhere without exception, I'll be more than happy to admit my wrong prediction. Same goes if 2040 comes around and being homosexual is legal everywhere without exception. But for now, I'm going with Decriminalization happening between 2085 - 2110, inclusive, and complete marriage legalization happening between 2130 - 2155, inclusive.

There is also the profoundly fucked up American penal system, which has basically become a way to take young men of color and turn them into a captive workforce that you don't have to pay a living wage.

[Nigerian Kenya]

I'm referring to that, as well as sex slaves, and I'm also referring to countries like Myanmar where you can be forced into slavery for criticizing the government. The United Nations isn't like the NS World Assembly. Real-Life Nations are free to ignore any UN resolution they don't like, and as long as the international court system doesn't go after them, there are no safeguards against such ignoring. All you need to disprove the statement "Direct slavery is illegal in all countries." is one counterexample. The one counterexample I'm providing is Myanmar. I'm sorry, but your argument has fallen flat.

Also, we aren't talking about complete decriminalization in all currently democratic countries, which is very likely to be the case within 20 years. I'm talking about decriminalization in all countries, including the ones that are viciously communist and crush any sort of upheaval to change laws. That's going to take a lot longer than 27 years, because first those countries will have to become democracies, and then they will have to allow homosexuals to be open and avowed. That is a terribly long process.

If 2060 comes around and gay marriage is legal everywhere without exception, I'll be more than happy to admit my wrong prediction. Same goes if 2040 comes around and being homosexual is legal everywhere without exception. But for now, I'm going with Decriminalization happening between 2085 - 2110, inclusive, and complete marriage legalization happening between 2130 - 2155, inclusive.

There is also the profoundly fucked up American penal system, which has basically become a way to take young men of color and turn them into a captive workforce that you don't have to pay a living wage.

That doesn't really count, because the U.S. legitimately does what it can to crack down on that. But still, good example of how slavery still occurs within the U.S., albeit illegally.

[Dyakovo]

god its so fucking hard

That's what he said.
*nods*

[Hurdegaryp]

god its so fucking hard

That's what he said.
*nods*

To be fair, that's what the whole orgy said.

[The Rich Port]

That's what he said.
*nods*

To be fair, that's what the whole orgy said.

Orgies aren't easy if you're not flexible... With your schedule.

[Greater Beggnig]

The choice part can be debated.

That I agree with. I know people that had kids and were married then as soon as it was acceptable,they "came out".

Does that make it a choice, then? Or is it the fact that their families and society could now accept them for who they truly were. In my un-humble opinion, it is the former. My source? I'm one of the aforementioned children.

[Blasveck]

That I agree with. I know people that had kids and were married then as soon as it was acceptable,they "came out".

Does that make it a choice, then? Or is it the fact that their families and society could now accept them for who they truly were. In my un-humble opinion, it is the former. My source? I'm one of the aforementioned children.

Do you have any better sources than personal experience?

[Americanada]

We need to take into account attraction as well as conduct. The Kinsey scale takes this approach at least.

No, for the fifth time, sexual orientation is only about attraction.

It should say something that CD is refusing to use the scientific terms correctly. Sexuality, in psychology, refers only to who you are capable of attraction to. It says absolutely nothing about how you act on it. What you are in practice is properly referred-to as "sexual behavior". Sexual behavior says jack about sexuality. If CD is confused by this, consider that there are many asexual who have sex purely to please romantic partners. If we worked by his logic, there can be no such thing as an asexual who had sex outside of rape, which is a horrible implication CD is making. To give another example, a bisexual can be in a monogamous relationship that is swinger-free, thus having sexual behavior that is purely homosexual or heterosexual depending upon the partner's sex. The bisexual guy is still just as capable of sexual attraction to both sexes, but his sexual behavior is purely dependent upon the partner's sex.

To give another example, in clergy where celibacy is required, there are clergymen who are capable of sexual attraction yet have sexual behavior that is "asexual" because they don't act on it. Their sexuality has not changed, but their sexual behavior has. I don't know about CD, but I doubt that celibates are actually asexuals just because they aren't having sex.

[Faolinn]

Hey NSG! After doing to some observation I have come to the conclusion that homosexuality is somewhat of a trend. Now before you start calling me all types of assholes,please,here me out on this!

It's fair to say that in the "olden" days,homosexuality was well,not acceptable among family. It's also fair to say that since the beginning of the new millennium that homosexuality has somewhat skyrocketed among teens. Now let's all admit that at one point in time we all went through a phase of some sort. Weather it be, being goth or something of that nature, then we sort of grew out of it.

Nowadays kids think that homosexuality is...cool! Let's look at one video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGuMEZhxgY. Since when did homothug among children become...cool?

http://www.collegenet.com/elect/app/app?service=external/Forum&sp=35110

Even teachers are against it.

But I know many of us have different opinions so please:
No trolling
Flaming
Slurs against gays

It's not a trend. It's just that people are becoming more accepting and homosexuals are becoming more open about it as a result.

[Katyuscha]

No, it's not a trend. It's just breaking into the social norm more than it has, before.

[Meryuma]

Non sequitur.

If Homosexuality is justified by its prevalence amongst the animal kingdom, then the circumstances which create homosexuality in the animal kingdom must also be considered justified. Homosexuality is considered a sign of social and physical decay in the animal kingdom according to Wolfe's behavioral sink theory, hence, if that is the justification for homosexuality, the all homosexual persons are victims of social and physical degradation.

Or, to put this in logical terms,
If A leads to B, and B is C, then A leads to C

I personally don't believe that homosexuality amongst humans and that found in rats is the same, so I prefer not to compare them, because under that comparison, homosexuality is a form of mental degradation.

Don't give me non sequitur.

Has any correlation been established between overcrowding and homosexuality in animals?

Well, the decriminalization of being homosexual everywhere without exception but gay marriage still being illegal in several/many places will likely happen around 2090, so, yes, pandeeria is right on that point. But marriage legalization without exception will still not happen until at least 2130 in all likelihood.

I'm more optimistic. Decriminalization by 2040, full marriage by 2060.

You're ignoring that some non-Western countries are becoming more, rather than less, homophobic.

[Breadknife]

My latin teacher had a neat analogy for this.

[...]

the fact that it can take a very, very long time for an idea to be accepted into society.

I just want to highlight the juxtaposition of the teaching of Latin with the concept of ideas being accepted (or others being finally rejected?) by society. I was amused.

(Not that I'm against Latin. Quid ego teneo contra Latin? Especially of the 'dog' variety.)

[Grenartia]

If Homosexuality is justified by its prevalence amongst the animal kingdom, then the circumstances which create homosexuality in the animal kingdom must also be considered justified. Homosexuality is considered a sign of social and physical decay in the animal kingdom according to Wolfe's behavioral sink theory, hence, if that is the justification for homosexuality, the all homosexual persons are victims of social and physical degradation.

Or, to put this in logical terms,
If A leads to B, and B is C, then A leads to C

I personally don't believe that homosexuality amongst humans and that found in rats is the same, so I prefer not to compare them, because under that comparison, homosexuality is a form of mental degradation.

Don't give me non sequitur.

Has any correlation been established between overcrowding and homosexuality in animals?

I'm more optimistic. Decriminalization by 2040, full marriage by 2060.

You're ignoring that some non-Western countries are becoming more, rather than less, homophobic.

You didn't see my rebuttal about the exchange of ideas and the proliferation of the internet and technologies allowing access to it to the third world meaning that social change is an exponential growth rather than linear, did you?

[Nigerian Kenya]

Has any correlation been established between overcrowding and homosexuality in animals?



You're ignoring that some non-Western countries are becoming more, rather than less, homophobic.

You didn't see my rebuttal about the exchange of ideas and the proliferation of the internet and technologies allowing access to it to the third world meaning that social change is an exponential growth rather than linear, did you?

As if all countries provide their citizens the same amount of internet access....ever heard of the great firewall of china?

[Grenartia]

You didn't see my rebuttal about the exchange of ideas and the proliferation of the internet and technologies allowing access to it to the third world meaning that social change is an exponential growth rather than linear, did you?

As if all countries provide their citizens the same amount of internet access....ever heard of the great firewall of china?

There are ways around such things.

[Zottistan]

That I agree with. I know people that had kids and were married then as soon as it was acceptable,they "came out".

Does that make it a choice, then? Or is it the fact that their families and society could now accept them for who they truly were. In my un-humble opinion, it is the former. My source? I'm one of the aforementioned children.

...So? You can read your parents minds?

[Sunawan]

Homosexuality is not a trend. Those that are homosexual just have more freedom to come out than say 20 years ago.