Where are the Reparations

[Sumamba Buwhan]

Would I blame entire groups of people? No, I would blame the individuals who voted for those laws. If I lived through that but then those laws were repealed and the populace and government had policies in place that attempted to right those wrongs in ways that allowed for greater opportunities in education and the workforce, I certainly wouldn't see why my grandchildren who never had to endure that would deserve cash and land.

People requesting reparations are blaming a government that was complicit in those actions. That's not blaming entire groups of people. It's condemning the guilty.

Now, I'd agree that the government does have poliicies in place to try to right those wrongs and should. I think that affirmative action is the solution. However, it cannot be ignored that asking a guilty party to take civil damage for their wrongful actions that were physically and financially harmful is totally reasonable.

If your cash and land were stolen from your family then any surviving members of your family deserve to compensated.

If there should be reparations for slavery, it should come from the estates of people who profited from slavery and any individuals who were in the government at the time that were complicit. I also said earlier that affirmative action is the type of thing that will truly do any good. A cash/land handout for something someones parent or grandparent went through is just not going to do much to truly help give them a leg up, as much and since they are taxpayers too they would be the ones paying reparations to themselves. Continuing to fight for equality is the best form of reparations IMO. In the case of Native Americans, there is still much more oppression going on which we should work hard to correct and yes, land and cash is deserving, I think. I hope the reasons are obvious because I have work to do and can't hang around to spell it out.

[Jocabia]

Would I blame entire groups of people? No, I would blame the individuals who voted for those laws. If I lived through that but then those laws were repealed and the populace and government had policies in place that attempted to right those wrongs in ways that allowed for greater opportunities in education and the workforce, I certainly wouldn't see why my grandchildren who never had to endure that would deserve cash and land.

People requesting reparations are blaming a government that was complicit in those actions. That's not blaming entire groups of people. It's condemning the guilty.

Now, I'd agree that the government does have poliicies in place to try to right those wrongs and should. I think that affirmative action is the solution. However, it cannot be ignored that asking a guilty party to take civil damage for their wrongful actions that were physically and financially harmful is totally reasonable.

If your cash and land were stolen from your family then any surviving members of your family deserve to compensated.

If there should be reparations for slavery, it should come from the estates of people who profited from slavery and any individuals who were in the government at the time that were complicit. I also said earlier that affirmative action is the type of thing that will truly do any good. A cash/land handout for something someones parent or grandparent went through is just not going to do anything. Continuing to fight for equality is the best form of reparations IMO. In the case of Native Americans, there is still much more oppression going on which we should work hard to correct and yes, land and cash is deserving, I think. I hope the reasons are obvious because I have work to do and can't hang around to spell it out.

Again, as has been pointed out, this is not just about slavery. Long after slavery was abolished, the government took actions to support and protect people who murdered black people and stole their land and money. The "individual" who profitted from that behavior was the entire US government in GDP, in trade, in support for their policies, etc. The government can be guilty and was. When the government incurs a debt it is obligated to pay it. The government committed murder, theft and slavery. It is not punishing the current generation to tax them when the government owes no matter how many times it is repeated.

The government's actions don't suddenly go away because the individuals who were in government at that time die. Your own point about Native Americans belie the fact that not even you believe that.

[Sumamba Buwhan]

Would I blame entire groups of people? No, I would blame the individuals who voted for those laws. If I lived through that but then those laws were repealed and the populace and government had policies in place that attempted to right those wrongs in ways that allowed for greater opportunities in education and the workforce, I certainly wouldn't see why my grandchildren who never had to endure that would deserve cash and land.

People requesting reparations are blaming a government that was complicit in those actions. That's not blaming entire groups of people. It's condemning the guilty.

Now, I'd agree that the government does have poliicies in place to try to right those wrongs and should. I think that affirmative action is the solution. However, it cannot be ignored that asking a guilty party to take civil damage for their wrongful actions that were physically and financially harmful is totally reasonable.

If your cash and land were stolen from your family then any surviving members of your family deserve to compensated.

If there should be reparations for slavery, it should come from the estates of people who profited from slavery and any individuals who were in the government at the time that were complicit. I also said earlier that affirmative action is the type of thing that will truly do any good. A cash/land handout for something someones parent or grandparent went through is just not going to do anything. Continuing to fight for equality is the best form of reparations IMO. In the case of Native Americans, there is still much more oppression going on which we should work hard to correct and yes, land and cash is deserving, I think. I hope the reasons are obvious because I have work to do and can't hang around to spell it out.

Again, as has been pointed out, this is not just about slavery. Long after slavery was abolished, the government took actions to support and protect people who murdered black people and stole their land and money. The "individual" who profitted from that behavior was the entire US government in GDP, in trade, in support for their policies, etc. The government can be guilty and was. When the government incurs a debt it is obligated to pay it. The government committed murder, theft and slavery. It is not punishing the current generation to tax them when the government owes no matter how many times it is repeated.

The government's actions don't suddenly go away because the individuals who were in government at that time die. Your own point about Native Americans belie the fact that not even you believe that.

The government has made up for it, though, and continues to in the ways that I described on the last page. The government and taxpayers today should not be punished for something they had no part in. The government of today is currently complicit in the oppression of Native Americans. Problems that may be addressed now that Obama has an injun czar.

[F1-Insanity]

Would I blame entire groups of people? No, I would blame the individuals who voted for those laws. If I lived through that but then those laws were repealed and the populace and government had policies in place that attempted to right those wrongs in ways that allowed for greater opportunities in education and the workforce, I certainly wouldn't see why my grandchildren who never had to endure that would deserve cash and land.

People requesting reparations are blaming a government that was complicit in those actions. That's not blaming entire groups of people. It's condemning the guilty.

Now, I'd agree that the government does have poliicies in place to try to right those wrongs and should. I think that affirmative action is the solution. However, it cannot be ignored that asking a guilty party to take civil damage for their wrongful actions that were physically and financially harmful is totally reasonable.

If your cash and land were stolen from your family then any surviving members of your family deserve to compensated.

Affirmative action (aka the 'new' racism) and welfare have more than compensated for the 'wrongs'.

Not our fault many African-Americans cannot be bothered to work hard in school and get into university. This 'racism' doesn't seem to have stopped Asian-Americans who are significantly overrepresented in universities. So if it isn't racism that prevents Afro-Americans of getting to university, it must be some other reason. And glorification of 'ghetto culture' ('don't do what the white man does' and 'working hard in school is for suckahs') might well be a partial explanation. Bill Cosby agrees with me (or rather, I with him).

[Surote]

Would I blame entire groups of people? No, I would blame the individuals who voted for those laws. If I lived through that but then those laws were repealed and the populace and government had policies in place that attempted to right those wrongs in ways that allowed for greater opportunities in education and the workforce, I certainly wouldn't see why my grandchildren who never had to endure that would deserve cash and land.

People requesting reparations are blaming a government that was complicit in those actions. That's not blaming entire groups of people. It's condemning the guilty.

Now, I'd agree that the government does have poliicies in place to try to right those wrongs and should. I think that affirmative action is the solution. However, it cannot be ignored that asking a guilty party to take civil damage for their wrongful actions that were physically and financially harmful is totally reasonable.

If your cash and land were stolen from your family then any surviving members of your family deserve to compensated.

Affirmative action (aka the 'new' racism) and welfare have more than compensated for the 'wrongs'.

Not our fault many African-Americans cannot be bothered to work hard in school and get into university. This 'racism' doesn't seem to have stopped Asian-Americans who are significantly overrepresented in universities. So if it isn't racism that prevents Afro-Americans of getting to university, it must be some other reason. And glorification of 'ghetto culture' ('don't do what the white man does' and 'working hard in school is for suckahs') might well be a partial explanation. Bill Cosby agrees with me (or rather, I with him).

Affirmative action is great and white people are on welfare too(actually more whites then blacks mostly the fat white chicks with 5 kids)back to affirmative action most businesses are ran and owned by old white people now do you believe old white people after seeing what they saw would want to hire a young black man or an ol white man(like him self) you have to see what the blacks see before you can speak on our issues.

[F1-Insanity]

Would I blame entire groups of people? No, I would blame the individuals who voted for those laws. If I lived through that but then those laws were repealed and the populace and government had policies in place that attempted to right those wrongs in ways that allowed for greater opportunities in education and the workforce, I certainly wouldn't see why my grandchildren who never had to endure that would deserve cash and land.

People requesting reparations are blaming a government that was complicit in those actions. That's not blaming entire groups of people. It's condemning the guilty.

Now, I'd agree that the government does have poliicies in place to try to right those wrongs and should. I think that affirmative action is the solution. However, it cannot be ignored that asking a guilty party to take civil damage for their wrongful actions that were physically and financially harmful is totally reasonable.

If your cash and land were stolen from your family then any surviving members of your family deserve to compensated.

Affirmative action (aka the 'new' racism) and welfare have more than compensated for the 'wrongs'.

Not our fault many African-Americans cannot be bothered to work hard in school and get into university. This 'racism' doesn't seem to have stopped Asian-Americans who are significantly overrepresented in universities. So if it isn't racism that prevents Afro-Americans of getting to university, it must be some other reason. And glorification of 'ghetto culture' ('don't do what the white man does' and 'working hard in school is for suckahs') might well be a partial explanation. Bill Cosby agrees with me (or rather, I with him).

Affirmative action is great and white people are on welfare too(actually more whites then blacks mostly the fat white chicks with 5 kids)back to affirmative action most businesses are ran and owned by old white people now do you believe old white people after seeing what they saw would want to hire a young black man or an ol white man(like him self) you have to see what the blacks see before you can speak on our issues.

I already see it, and I called it like I see it.

And @ the old white people bullcrap.

[Jello Biafra]

Affirmative action (aka the 'new' racism) and welfare have more than compensated for the 'wrongs'.

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Not our fault many African-Americans cannot be bothered to work hard in school and get into university.

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

This 'racism' doesn't seem to have stopped Asian-Americans who are significantly overrepresented in universities.

Right. Because if you don't hate Asians, you can't be racist.

[Zandan]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

[Surote]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

[Milks Empire]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Got proof? (Hey, you make the claim, you gotta back it up.)

[Zeppy]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Proof? Have you ever went to a inner city school?

[Maurepas]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Depends on what part of the country you are in...Down here inner city schools are the only schools they do give a damn about, get outside the city and the County just doesnt have the funding to go around...

For example, the Coastal Counties in MS have much better funding and much better performance than the more rural Delta, which in turn drags us down in the education rankings...

[Zeppy]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Depends on what part of the country you are in...Down here inner city schools are the only schools they do give a damn about, get outside the city and the County just doesnt have the funding to go around...

For example, the Coastal Counties in MS have much better funding and much better performance than the more rural Delta, which in turn drags us down in the education rankings...

In some areas, the inner city school are more funded then suburban schools.

[Soyut]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Depends on what part of the country you are in...Down here inner city schools are the only schools they do give a damn about, get outside the city and the County just doesnt have the funding to go around...

For example, the Coastal Counties in MS have much better funding and much better performance than the more rural Delta, which in turn drags us down in the education rankings...

In some areas, the inner city school are more funded then suburban schools.

funding is irrelevant. Every year the schools get more money. Every year the graduation rates stay flat, the test scores actually go down. European schools that outperform American schools typically have much less funding.

[Surote]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Proof? Have you ever went to a inner city school?

Yes my 6th grade year I went to a school in brooklyn center, MN

[Free Soviets]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_ ... tates#Race

[Zeppy]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Proof? Have you ever went to a inner city school?

Yes my 6th grade year I went to a school in brooklyn center, MN

Brooklyn Center, Minnesota? Thats a inner city? It's a suburb.

[Zandan]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Proof? Have you ever went to a inner city school?

Yes my 6th grade year I went to a school in brooklyn center, MN

All my schools were inner city schools. Except for my senior year in high school when I moved to New Mexico and went to a school in a more rural place. I might want to add that New Mexico has the lowest rating in education in the U.S. All of the schools I have gone to have been dominated by minorities. It isn't racism that keeps them from getting to higher education, it's themselves.

[Dyakovo]

Yes my 6th grade year I went to a school in brooklyn center, MN

[Maurepas]

I might want to add that New Mexico has the lowest rating in education in the U.S.

Mississippi, Louisiana and Arkansas beg to differ my friend,

[Thethunderdome]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Proof? Have you ever went to a inner city school?

Yes my 6th grade year I went to a school in brooklyn center, MN

All my schools were inner city schools. Except for my senior year in high school when I moved to New Mexico and went to a school in a more rural place. I might want to add that New Mexico has the lowest rating in education in the U.S. All of the schools I have gone to have been dominated by minorities. It isn't racism that keeps them from getting to higher education, it's themselves.

I have to agree with this. The kids that try succeed, the ones that don't don't. At least in high school/middle school.

[Surote]

Yes my 6th grade year I went to a school in brooklyn center, MN

What's with the laughter

[Surote]

If this was the case then blacks would be proportionately represented in the middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.

Could you please provide a reference that says they aren't?

Given the poor state of schools for many blacks, is this really surprising? How could they get into university when their schools are underfunded and underresourced?

I went to elementary, middle, and high schools that were about 70% Afro-American, I'm doing just fine in college right now.

Try going to inner city schools they don't even care about the children there.

Proof? Have you ever went to a inner city school?

Yes my 6th grade year I went to a school in brooklyn center, MN

Brooklyn Center, Minnesota? Thats a inner city? It's a suburb.

No man That school is super close to minneapolis like on the border go check it out it's named odyssey charter school.

[Dyakovo]

Yes my 6th grade year I went to a school in brooklyn center, MN

What's with the laughter

See Zeppy's response...
Also:
Population (2007)[1][2]
- City 27,488
Not much of a city...

[Zandan]

I might want to add that New Mexico has the lowest rating in education in the U.S.

Mississippi, Louisiana and Arkansas beg to differ my friend,

It was 50th for a while...I thought Louisiana moved up in the ratings?