The Coalition Against Ponies

[Greater Evil Imperial Japanese Dystopia]

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[Lubyak]

OOC: The truth should not stand in the way of good propaganda. Also, you are not a 100% pony nation, which our propaganda agencies will use as "proof" that ponies leech of human labour.

OOC: Fair enough.

Official Communique from the Dominion of the Lubyak

The Dominion of the Lubyak recognizes that New Freedomstan views what we consider sentien creatures mere 'livestock'--an assertion the Dominion condemns in the strongest manner-- we thus believe that we have no choice in this situation but to inquire how much New Freedomstan values its 300,000 pony 'livestock'.

The DOminion of the Lubyak conducts its own medical research into pony physiology and medicine, and we will be more than happy to share our findings with you, provided you agree to transefer your 'livestock' to us.

Sincerely,
Minister for Foreign Affairs Twilight Novax

[Ovisterra]

OOC: The truth should not stand in the way of good propaganda. Also, you are not a 100% pony nation, which our propaganda agencies will use as "proof" that ponies leech of human labour.

OOC: Fair enough.

Official Communique from the Dominion of the Lubyak

The Dominion of the Lubyak recognizes that New Freedomstan views what we consider sentien creatures mere 'livestock'--an assertion the Dominion condemns in the strongest manner-- we thus believe that we have no choice in this situation but to inquire how much New Freedomstan values its 300,000 pony 'livestock'.

The DOminion of the Lubyak conducts its own medical research into pony physiology and medicine, and we will be more than happy to share our findings with you, provided you agree to transefer your 'livestock' to us.

Sincerely,
Minister for Foreign Affairs Twilight Novax

Ovisterra reminds all nations that it is populated mostly by sentient sheep. Any nations that consider sentient four legged animals "livestock" are encouraged to share those opinions now. Ovisterra promises not to invade when such statements are given.

[Hungramy]

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[Savski Venac]

Savski Venac will join the fight agains Ponyisim!!!

[Ovisterra]

Savski Venac will join the fight agains Ponyisim!!!

Ovisterra encourages nations to ensure that the Pony issue does not turn into physical conflict.

[New Freedomstan]

Official Communique from the Socialist Worker's Republic of New Freedomstan

As the SWRNF have made clear, we have no intention of giving away nor selling the livestock of this new pony sub-species. We are not interested in medical technology for animals, we are primarily interested in how they became sentient, if the procedure can be replicated for other species and potential uses for their apparent abilities that in more savage times would be called "magic". To prove that our research is humane, and how the creatures have thus far failed to fulfill the New Freedomstani Sentience Measurement, we will share a part of our experiment results:

"Experiment #00218: Five hundred of Semi-Intelligent Ponies (Equus Ferus Magicalus) were tasked with running Steel Mill #12 for a period of five days under the overseeing of scientists and officials from the People's Civilian Commissariat. Production fell 97.8%, as the ponies in question failed to obey the authority of the PCC and spent most of their time playing. Their understanding of the necessity to labour seems incomplete, and their ability to take commands is hardly better than that of well-trained dogs. The sole production was from a few ponies who seems to have turned the process into a "game" on the third day, but they quickly lost interest. No conclusive evidence of Sentience was thus found. Evidence from Cement Factory #18 and Fish Cannery #3 proves similar results. However, the hypothesis that the ponies are simply extraordinarily well-trained was also disproven as Subject AX-3783-8402 and Subject BK-2849-9183 managed to figure out the guards' patrol reoutines by observation and made an escape attempt that very nearly succeeded."

As you can see, our experiments are far from cruel and we take objective testing of this new species' mental faculties very seriously. We will not simply give away this immense potential to further biological understanding of the brain to some wishy-washy liberal country who are not prepared to do what is necessary.

Sincerely,
Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Anders Ivansson

[Urmanian]

Their understanding of the necessity to labour seems incomplete

O Rly?

[Ovisterra]

Official Communique from the Socialist Worker's Republic of New Freedomstan

As the SWRNF have made clear, we have no intention of giving away nor selling the livestock of this new pony sub-species. We are not interested in medical technology for animals, we are primarily interested in how they became sentient, if the procedure can be replicated for other species and potential uses for their apparent abilities that in more savage times would be called "magic". To prove that our research is humane, and how the creatures have thus far failed to fulfill the New Freedomstani Sentience Measurement, we will share a part of our experiment results:

"Experiment #00218: Five hundred of Semi-Intelligent Ponies (Equus Ferus Magicalus) were tasked with running Steel Mill #12 for a period of five days under the overseeing of scientists and officials from the People's Civilian Commissariat. Production fell 97.8%, as the ponies in question failed to obey the authority of the PCC and spent most of their time playing. Their understanding of the necessity to labour seems incomplete, and their ability to take commands is hardly better than that of well-trained dogs. The sole production was from a few ponies who seems to have turned the process into a "game" on the third day, but they quickly lost interest. No conclusive evidence of Sentience was thus found. Evidence from Cement Factory #18 and Fish Cannery #3 proves similar results. However, the hypothesis that the ponies are simply extraordinarily well-trained was also disproven as Subject AX-3783-8402 and Subject BK-2849-9183 managed to figure out the guards' patrol reoutines by observation and made an escape attempt that very nearly succeeded."

As you can see, our experiments are far from cruel and we take objective testing of this new species' mental faculties very seriously. We will not simply give away this immense potential to further biological understanding of the brain to some wishy-washy liberal country who are not prepared to do what is necessary.

Sincerely,
Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Anders Ivansson

Ovisterra would like to offer copies of its own extensive research on non-human sentience, both on ponies and sheep. Ovisterra is widely recognized as an authority on the subject, due to first hand experience.

In layman's terms: We're sentient farm animals so we know lots about the subject. Listen to us please.

[Hippostania]

New Freedomstan: If you're planning to RP with ponies.. then please, just watch all the episodes before you start writing shit. It might take a while, but at least then you'll understand what the show is about and can actually RP efficiently.

[New Freedomstan]

Their understanding of the necessity to labour seems incomplete

O Rly?

OOC: In neither of those did 500 civilian ponies from a myriad of backgrounds be taken into a Steel Mill and instructed to start production with a minimum of instruction. Particularily not a Steel Mill that isn't exactly designed for workers with 4 legs and no hands.

New Freedomstan: If you're planning to RP with ponies.. then please, just watch all the episodes before you start writing shit. It might take a while, but at least then you'll understand what the show is about and can actually RP efficiently.

OOC: I have seen a couple of episodes (some of my mates are all into that show). The New Freedomstani government is very interested in that the results from the scientific experiments are that the Ponies have "near, but not complete, sentience" and as such the social experiments who get publicised are in conditions where it would be very difficult for the ponies to do well.

[Lubyak]

Official Communique from the Dominion of the Lubyak

The Dominion directs the nation of New Freedomstan to the following study by the Lubyakan Ministry of Agriculture, Industry and Business

Excrept Fom Ministry of Agriculture, Industry and Business Report 098-C

The labor from Earth ponies has some kind of unexplained effect on plant life. While we have no information regarding the mechanism of this effect, the impact is undeniable. As of now, pony owned and operated farms consist of 35% of total Dominion crop production.

Over the past decade, food production from Earth pony farms have outstripped similarly sized human farms in almost every category. With the combination of weather control influence from pegasus ponies, we have witnessed a 20% increase in food production across the board.

The Dominion presents this, as well as the EXISTENCE, of the city of Gallopfrey--and more importantly the pegasus cloud city of Upper Gallopfrey--as indisputable evidence that ponies posess sentience. The Dominion would also like to note that hundreds of ponies have passed exacting Dominion civil service exams to enter into the Dominion governmnet structure, with two ponies sitting on the Governor's Cabinet.

The Dominion would also like New Freedomstan to perform a control test, and test how well a team of 500 untrained humans working in factory conditions unsuited to their body type, and compare that to their results. The Dominion would also like to point out that the ability to perform industrial labor is not a sign of the prsence of, or lack of intelligence.

The Dominion invites represetntatives of New Freedomstan to meet with our Minister of the Interior Meadowgrass, and inspect Dominion pony owned farms to satisfy their belief that ponies are 'nonsentient'.

Sincerely,
Minister for Foreign Affairs, Twilight Novax

[Hippostania]

OOC: In neither of those did 500 civilian ponies from a myriad of backgrounds be taken into a Steel Mill and instructed to start production with a minimum of instruction. Particularily not a Steel Mill that isn't exactly designed for workers with 4 legs and no hands.

Ever heard of unicorns?

OOC: I have seen a couple of episodes (some of my mates are all into that show). The New Freedomstani government is very interested in that the results from the scientific experiments are that the Ponies have "near, but not complete, sentience" and as such the social experiments who get publicised are in conditions where it would be very difficult for the ponies to do well.

Please go watch all the episodes and come back when you're done. Otherwise RP'ing with you is just going to be a waste of time. You might think you can RP efficiently without this knowledge. But trust me, you can't.
Here, I'm gonna be nice. Let's get you started

[Lubyak]

OOC:

He has a point.
There are 500 untrained workers tossed into a situation they have no understanding of. Of COURSE they're not going to funciton as well as a highly trained crew, even if they were all unicorns. Hell, even if they were humans I'd think we'd see something like a 99% drop in production.

My only problem with his potrayal is that he describes them as only caring about playing and games, which is NOT TRUE. They'd at least TRY to figure out what to do, and would try to work the factory. ...Just not very well do to said lack of training.

Let's not forget that all his IC posts are likely propaganda anyway. Hell, I'd bet he put theponies into a steel factory that hardly worked even with a trained crew, just so he could get the results he wanted.

[New Freedomstan]

OOC:

He has a point.
There are 500 untrained workers tossed into a situation they have no understanding of. Of COURSE they're not going to funciton as well as a highly trained crew, even if they were all unicorns. Hell, even if they were humans I'd think we'd see something like a 99% drop in production.

My only problem with his potrayal is that he describes them as only caring about playing and games, which is NOT TRUE. They'd at least TRY to figure out what to do, and would try to work the factory. ...Just not very well do to said lack of training.

Let's not forget that all his IC posts are likely propaganda anyway. Hell, I'd bet he put theponies into a steel factory that hardly worked even with a trained crew, just so he could get the results he wanted.

OOC: Bingo. That, and the "random sample" of 500 ponies wasn't particularily random... Don't forget that they have been under observation in a close-to-natural environment for some time before the social experiments started. They intentionally chose ponies which had been observed to be fleet-minded, lazy or apparent members of the intelligentsia who would make poor industrial workers (particularily in a Steel Mill designed for humans).

Essentially, they took 500 ponies similar to Pinky Pie, threw them into a Steel Mill, gave them some very basic instructions for part of the industrial process and then proceed to not actually give them any incentives for actually doing it nor any form of punishment for not working. Other experiments, particularily with agricultural labour, have yielded... other results. Which the New Freedomstani government have no intention of publicising.

[Ovisterra]

OOC:

He has a point.
There are 500 untrained workers tossed into a situation they have no understanding of. Of COURSE they're not going to funciton as well as a highly trained crew, even if they were all unicorns. Hell, even if they were humans I'd think we'd see something like a 99% drop in production.

My only problem with his potrayal is that he describes them as only caring about playing and games, which is NOT TRUE. They'd at least TRY to figure out what to do, and would try to work the factory. ...Just not very well do to said lack of training.

Let's not forget that all his IC posts are likely propaganda anyway. Hell, I'd bet he put theponies into a steel factory that hardly worked even with a trained crew, just so he could get the results he wanted.

OOC: Bingo. That, and the "random sample" of 500 ponies wasn't particularily random... Don't forget that they have been under observation in a close-to-natural environment for some time before the social experiments started. They intentionally chose ponies which had been observed to be fleet-minded, lazy or apparent members of the intelligentsia who would make poor industrial workers (particularily in a Steel Mill designed for humans).

Essentially, they took 500 ponies similar to Pinky Pie, threw them into a Steel Mill, gave them some very basic instructions for part of the industrial process and then proceed to not actually give them any incentives for actually doing it nor any form of punishment for not working. Other experiments, particularily with agricultural labour, have yielded... other results. Which the New Freedomstani government have no intention of publicising.

The Ovisterran Secret Service will happily save the NF government the trouble.

[Urmanian]

Essentially, they took 500 ponies similar to Pinky Pie

similar to Pinky Pie

similar to Pinky Pie

similar to Pinky Pie

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[Hippostania]

Essentially, they took 500 ponies similar to Pinky Pie

similar to Pinky Pie

Pinky Pie

Go watch the goddamn episodes. Now.

[New Freedomstan]

Official Communique from the Socialist Worker's Republic of New Freedomstan

New Freedomstan is a fully sovereign nation fully capable of performing scientific experiments for the benefit of our Socialist Worker's Republic. To suggest that we do not carry out proper experiments, and needing foreign aid to do so, is an insult to our Socialist State. Furthermore, we cannot fully trust Lubyakian governmental research as it is obviously biased in favour of fully recognising a non-human species as fully sentient on equal terms with Homo Sapiens.

Merely having a Pony "city" do not guarantee their sentience. Beavers construct crude housing and ant colonies can reach astonishing sizes, yet no-one would call them sentient. That the new sub-species of Pony have far larger herds and basic construction does not necessarily mean that they possess sentience. Furthermore, industrial labour is merely one of many of our comprehensive experiments to determine wether or not Ponies can be considered sentient. So far the results indicate that while they are one of the smartest animals, like Dolphins and Rats, they have not achieved sentience. Of course, our experiments are not yet done and future results may disprove this hypothesis. New Freedomstan is a country of science, and we will not jump to conclusions wether or not Ponies are sentient.

We would be pleased to send loyal Party Cadres to inspect wether or not these Pony "farms" are everything the Lubyakian government claim they are. Nevertheless, the presence of agriculture and animal husbandry are not sufficent evidence for sentience but they would be a part of it.

Sincerely,
Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Anders Ivansson

[Oterro]

Essentially, they took 500 ponies similar to Pinky Pie

similar to Pinky Pie

similar to Pinky Pie

similar to Pinky Pie

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(IKR who the fuck is Pinky Pie.)

[Urmanian]

OOC: So it figures that New Freedomstan's ponies aren't related to FiM ponies and as such it's none of CoPS' business.

In fact, if these are G3 ponies, I applaud and fully endorse New Freedomstan's actions

[Lubyak]

OOC:
Look. You'd do better if you DIDN'T try to connect with the show. I'm with what you're doing. Like any government wantng to push a point, you're manipulating the science to tell you want you WANT.

Just....don't try to say you took 500 ponies like Pinkie Pie. You were fine until you said

Official Communique from the Dominion of the Lubyak

The Dominion of the Lubyak feels the need to remind the Socialist Worker's Republic of New Freedomstan that the city of Gallopfrey is far more than a 'beaver' dam or ant colony. Gallopfrey is a metropolitan city of nearly 2 million beings that posesss no difference from any other city in the Dominion other than it was deisgned to be easily accesible by ponies.

The Dominion will welcome the observers to Pony farms, however the Dominion wishes that any observers treat our pony citizens as full citizens of the Dominion of the Lubyak, instead of as mere 'livestock', as New Freedomstan is desperate to do, clutching at straws of scientific evidence to do so.

Sincerely,
Minister for Foreign Affairs Twiligh Novax

[Hippostania]

OOC: So it figures that New Freedomstan's ponies aren't related to FiM ponies and as such it's none of CoPS' business.

In fact, if these are G3 ponies, I applaud and fully endorse New Freedomstan's actions

This.
If it turns out that they are G1 or G2 ponies, I believe that the CoPS is more than happy to help you in this ''testing''

[Urmanian]

This.
If it turns out that they are G1 or G2 ponies, I believe that the CoPS is more than happy to help you in this ''testing''

OOC: G1 are a classic and G2 weren't that bad, it's G3 that needs some cleansing

[Hippostania]

This.
If it turns out that they are G1 or G2 ponies, I believe that the CoPS is more than happy to help you in this ''testing''

OOC: G1 are a classic and G2 weren't that bad, it's G3 that needs some cleansing

OOC: I believe that the G1 is the worst generation. I mean, sea ponies? What the hell?! Anyways, this is going a bit off topic