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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:38 am

Celritannia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
So some magical common good exists out there, but you use the phrase to advance your own politics?


Seems like you have missed the forest for the trees.

Let's try again.

Do you believe people should eat?


No.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:38 am

American Legionaries wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Seems like you have missed the forest for the trees.

Let's try again.

Do you believe people should eat?


No.


And therein lies the problem. You just don't believe in the good of anything.
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Postby Southglory » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:39 am

Krangkor wrote:Maybe people should not have zoom meetings to discuss national security matters. Maybe such discussions should held in secure rooms in face to face meetings. What is up with all this zoomery? It needs to be reigned back a bit.


You simply haven't zoomed enough.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:41 am

Celritannia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
No.


And therein lies the problem. You just don't believe in the good of anything.


Sure I do, they're just not the things that you call good.

Hence the point here. "Good" is something different to everyone, there is no "common good" there is only "good" to certain people.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:43 am

American Legionaries wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
And therein lies the problem. You just don't believe in the good of anything.


Sure I do, they're just not the things that you call good.

Hence the point here. "Good" is something different to everyone, there is no "common good" there is only "good" to certain people.


The fact you don't think everyone should eat, one of the most basic needs of any human, is the most basic forms of common good.

Ensuring prices are affordable for people to purchase said food is a common good.

Ensuring the food has been tested and is safe to consume is a common good.

Ensuring the supply and demand reaches all people in various communities is a common good.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:45 am

Celritannia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Sure I do, they're just not the things that you call good.

Hence the point here. "Good" is something different to everyone, there is no "common good" there is only "good" to certain people.


The fact you don't think everyone should eat, one of the most basic needs of any human, is the most basic forms of common good.

Ensuring prices are affordable for people to purchase said food is a common good.

Ensuring the food has been tested and is safe to consume is a common good.

Ensuring the supply and demand reaches all people in various communities is a common good.


Nah, they're just Celritannia good.

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Postby Shrillland » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:46 am

Celritannia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Sure I do, they're just not the things that you call good.

Hence the point here. "Good" is something different to everyone, there is no "common good" there is only "good" to certain people.


The fact you don't think everyone should eat, one of the most basic needs of any human, is the most basic forms of common good.

Ensuring prices are affordable for people to purchase said food is a common good.

Ensuring the food has been tested and is safe to consume is a common good.

Ensuring the supply and demand reaches all people in various communities is a common good.


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Postby Crysuko » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:47 am

Celritannia wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Sure I do, they're just not the things that you call good.

Hence the point here. "Good" is something different to everyone, there is no "common good" there is only "good" to certain people.


The fact you don't think everyone should eat, one of the most basic needs of any human, is the most basic forms of common good.

Ensuring prices are affordable for people to purchase said food is a common good.

Ensuring the food has been tested and is safe to consume is a common good.

Ensuring the supply and demand reaches all people in various communities is a common good.

My conception of common good is social ownership of the means of production, the abolition of private property and decentralised planning. I bet it isn't yours. Because it means whatever the user wants it to mean.
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Postby Southglory » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:48 am

Shrillland wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
The fact you don't think everyone should eat, one of the most basic needs of any human, is the most basic forms of common good.

Ensuring prices are affordable for people to purchase said food is a common good.

Ensuring the food has been tested and is safe to consume is a common good.

Ensuring the supply and demand reaches all people in various communities is a common good.


Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatel.


Chinatel?
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Postby Qaumodeen » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:48 am

Welskerland wrote:
New Halo wrote:who do you think the 2028 dem canidate.

Well it doesnt matter cuz we gonna lose


I think Fetterman would be a good choice, but he's probably gonna get same treatment as Bernie, Manchen and Gabbard


Fetterman can't function properly anymore because of his stroke, you only have to look at his statements.

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Britain should stop helping them then. Britain's national security would improve overnight.
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Postby Valrifall » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:49 am

Southglory wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatel.


Chinatel?


AL is notorious shitposter Telconi, so Chinatel is a play on Chinatown and the user's original name on this site.
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Postby Deblar » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:50 am

Valrifall wrote:
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Chinatel?


AL is notorious shitposter Telconi, so Chinatel is a play on Chinatown and the user's original name on this site.

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:50 am

Qaumodeen wrote:
Welskerland wrote:
I think Fetterman would be a good choice, but he's probably gonna get same treatment as Bernie, Manchen and Gabbard


Fetterman can't function properly anymore because of his stroke, you only have to look at his statements.

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:I don't know, we bail out the Americans, by letting them use UK aerial refuelling planes, to keep their jets in the air over Yemen, and do we get a thank you? No we get Pisshead Pete and the Hillbilly Himmler denigrating Europe on Signal.


Britain should stop helping them then. Britain's national security would improve overnight.

The UK is a client state, so no.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:51 am

Crysuko wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
The fact you don't think everyone should eat, one of the most basic needs of any human, is the most basic forms of common good.

Ensuring prices are affordable for people to purchase said food is a common good.

Ensuring the food has been tested and is safe to consume is a common good.

Ensuring the supply and demand reaches all people in various communities is a common good.

My conception of common good is social ownership of the means of production, the abolition of private property and decentralised planning. I bet it isn't yours. Because it means whatever the user wants it to mean.


Ensuring people have food, shelter, energy, protection, transportation is indeed supporting the common good, and it certainly exists in the political system you support, and that is what is important.

I don't agree with the political system you support, but you do want to ensure the common good is there.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:52 am

Valrifall wrote:
Southglory wrote:
Chinatel?


AL is notorious shitposter Telconi, so Chinatel is a play on Chinatown and the user's original name on this site.


Hey now, there's nothing shitty about leading the horses to the self-awareness water.

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:52 am

Celritannia wrote:
Crysuko wrote:My conception of common good is social ownership of the means of production, the abolition of private property and decentralised planning. I bet it isn't yours. Because it means whatever the user wants it to mean.


Ensuring people have food, shelter, energy, protection, energy, transportation is indeed supporting the common good, and certainly exists in this political system, and that is what is important.

I don't agree with the political system you support, but do want to ensuring the common good is there.

You're just repeating yourself. When Both Smith, Keynes and Marx use the same terminology you have a term that is so thin and nebulous you can interpret it however you want.
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Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:54 am

Crysuko wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Ensuring people have food, shelter, energy, protection, energy, transportation is indeed supporting the common good, and certainly exists in this political system, and that is what is important.

I don't agree with the political system you support, but do want to ensuring the common good is there.

You're just repeating yourself. When Both Smith, Keynes and Marx use the same terminology you have a term that is so thin and nebulous you can interpret it however you want.


As is liberalism, conservatism, socialism, democracy, and other such ideologies, but again, there is a basic concept.

Everyone can agree these basic needs should be met, but how far you go to ensure they are met is what is different.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:54 am

Finium wrote:Waltz’s future in doubt following accidental war plan leak
A senior administration official told POLITICO on Monday afternoon that they are involved in multiple text threads with other administration staffers on what to do with Waltz, following the bombshell report that the top aide inadvertently included Atlantic editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg in a private chat discussing a military strike on Houthis.


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Postby OklahomanEmpire » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:55 am

American Legionaries wrote:Sure I do, they're just not the things that you call good.

Hence the point here. "Good" is something different to everyone, there is no "common good" there is only "good" to certain people.

The common good is defined as "either what is shared and beneficial for all or most members of a given community." The concept of a common good is very much real, even though you seem desperate to not believe so. The common good is a set thing of what is best for the community, it isn't just to interpret willy-nilly, it is interpreted within a limit. For example, everyone having food to eat is good for a community. I'd be willing to bet you just don't want to think of or visualize the common good so you don't have to discuss the awful, freeloading poor people who need disgusting and unholy things like food, water, and shelter.

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Postby Crysuko » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:56 am

Celritannia wrote:
Crysuko wrote:You're just repeating yourself. When Both Smith, Keynes and Marx use the same terminology you have a term that is so thin and nebulous you can interpret it however you want.


As is liberalism, conservatism, socialism, democracy, and other such ideologies, but again, there is a basic concept.

Everyone can agree these basic needs should be met, but how far you go to ensure they are met is what is different.

Broken record, aren't you.
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Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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Postby Umeria » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:56 am

Crysuko wrote:My conception of common good is social ownership of the means of production, the abolition of private property and decentralised planning. I bet it isn't yours. Because it means whatever the user wants it to mean.

Yeah that's how communication tends to work, the same thing can mean different things when said by different people and/or in different contexts. When someone says common good we have a general idea of what there talking about just like with every other phrase. Taking issue with that doesn't really make sense imo
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:56 am

Crysuko wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
As is liberalism, conservatism, socialism, democracy, and other such ideologies, but again, there is a basic concept.

Everyone can agree these basic needs should be met, but how far you go to ensure they are met is what is different.

Broken record, aren't you.

Failing to understand, aren't you?

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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:57 am

OklahomanEmpire wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:Sure I do, they're just not the things that you call good.

Hence the point here. "Good" is something different to everyone, there is no "common good" there is only "good" to certain people.

The common good is defined as "either what is shared and beneficial for all or most members of a given community." The concept of a common good is very much real, even though you seem desperate to not believe so. The common good is a set thing of what is best for the community, it isn't just to interpret willy-nilly, it is interpreted within a limit. For example, everyone having food to eat is good for a community. I'd be willing to bet you just don't want to think of or visualize the common good so you don't have to discuss the awful, freeloading poor people who need disgusting and unholy things like food, water, and shelter.


So it refers to MANPADs...

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Postby Qaumodeen » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:57 am

Finium wrote:Waltz’s future in doubt following accidental war plan leak
A senior administration official told POLITICO on Monday afternoon that they are involved in multiple text threads with other administration staffers on what to do with Waltz, following the bombshell report that the top aide inadvertently included Atlantic editor in chief Jeffrey Goldberg in a private chat discussing a military strike on Houthis.


Zero consequences.
Nothing learned.


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Postby Southglory » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:59 am

Valrifall wrote:
Southglory wrote:
Chinatel?


AL is notorious shitposter Telconi, so Chinatel is a play on Chinatown and the user's original name on this site.


Well that explains it, thanks.
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