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Jewish Partisan Division
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Founded: May 14, 2022
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Postby Jewish Partisan Division » Tue Mar 25, 2025 9:44 am

cool artwork and cool treaty. congrats npo and carc.
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Pauline Bonaparte
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Pauline Bonaparte » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:01 am

I am very happy to have been a part of the creation of this treaty and look forward to bringing my retinue of manservants to the inaugural celebrations on the beaches of Tahiti!
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Gorundu
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Gorundu » Tue Mar 25, 2025 10:20 am

Jewish Partisan Division wrote:cool artwork and cool treaty. congrats npo and carc.

if you merge npo and carc into one word you get narc
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Jewish Partisan Division
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Postby Jewish Partisan Division » Tue Mar 25, 2025 7:10 pm

Gorundu wrote:
Jewish Partisan Division wrote:cool artwork and cool treaty. congrats npo and carc.

if you merge npo and carc into one word you get narc

i guess i'll support the glowies this one time.
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דער יודישער אַרבּײטער גבירישער קרבּן ,הױבּט אױף שױן פון פרייהייט די פאָן

Syndicasia wrote:Jewish Partisan would never be Maoist...spits out the water

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Marinas Island
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Founded: Oct 15, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Marinas Island » Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:59 pm

Statement from the New Pacific Order


The Order has become aware that during her time as Empress, Xoriet, while arranging and attempting to mediate secret peace negotiations between the North Pacific and the Brotherhood of Malice, made statements that were unproductive and inflammatory. This is the first time the Order has seen the remarks or any particulars of these discussions.

The current government of the New Pacific Order condemns any inflammatory and unproductive statements made by Xoriet during these discussions. We additionally condemn her actions in allowing her biases to impact her ability to be an effective neutral party, and a failure to include all relevant shareholders and consider their positions and needs for a potential peace. We apologize for any offense or harm this behavior and these statements may have caused.

We urge any allies, treaty partners, and friends with concerns to reach out to us so that we can directly discuss any questions, concerns, complaints, or threats.
Marina, Empress of the New Pacific Order
My posted statements do reflect the NPO's position on the forum, so please reach out to me on Discord if you want to talk.

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Varanius
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Founded: Sep 18, 2019
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Varanius » Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:11 pm

Happy to see this brought to a peaceful conclusion. This seems to be the natural end of any debate or discourse on the topic.
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Pallaith wrote: You preening showboating motherfuckers have just derailed my evening

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Gagium
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Gagium » Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:19 pm

I'm glad to see the Order take a firm position in condemning duplicitous and inflammatory behaviors. An excellent display of professionalism from the current Empress.
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Dragonian Kazaman
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Postby Dragonian Kazaman » Thu Apr 03, 2025 6:01 am

I welcome and appreciate this clarification from the Empress.

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Haymarket Riot
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Postby Haymarket Riot » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:06 am

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Ambroscus Koth
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Postby Ambroscus Koth » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:07 am

Disappointing to see Xoriet treated this way. The NPO would be far better off listening to what she had to say instead of shitting on her legacy after all she's done for you.
Patience pays off.

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Rhaza
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Rhaza » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:22 am

Ambroscus Koth wrote:Disappointing to see Xoriet treated this way. The NPO would be far better off listening to what she had to say instead of shitting on her legacy after all she's done for you.

Is it nauseating? Maybe proof that a region's own interests above all else leads to no loyalty, no real ideals, no guiding principles, nothing sacred?

Go back to campaigning for delegate of Balder.

Not that care for Xoriet is why you’re saying this, anyway.
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Ambroscus Koth
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Postby Ambroscus Koth » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:45 am

Rhaza wrote:
Ambroscus Koth wrote:Disappointing to see Xoriet treated this way. The NPO would be far better off listening to what she had to say instead of shitting on her legacy after all she's done for you.

Is it nauseating? Maybe proof that a region's own interests above all else leads to no loyalty, no real ideals, no guiding principles, nothing sacred?

Go back to campaigning for delegate of Balder.

Not that care for Xoriet is why you’re saying this, anyway.

The way that you treat the people around you is going to come home to roost eventually.

My history with Xoriet goes back over a decade. Not all of those years were spent being the best of friends, but I know damn well what she's done for this game, for the NPO, and for her friends in that time. I know how she deserves to be treated, and this isn't it. If anything, I should be the one getting skewered for my comments, but the cowardly leaker only saw fit to show you what you didn't already know.
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Rhaza
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Postby Rhaza » Thu Apr 03, 2025 7:55 am

Ambroscus Koth wrote:
Rhaza wrote:Is it nauseating? Maybe proof that a region's own interests above all else leads to no loyalty, no real ideals, no guiding principles, nothing sacred?

Go back to campaigning for delegate of Balder.

Not that care for Xoriet is why you’re saying this, anyway.

The way that you treat the people around you is going to come home to roost eventually.

Rather ironic, but I digress. Pray tell, what did I do here? I certainly don’t control the Empress.

The people around me… like the people Xoriet called parasites and leeches? I have been here 9 years. I live by loyalty to my regions and the people who trust me and have since April 2016. I will die by it too. Maybe in a way you desire, maybe not. But that has always been my utmost priority.

I wear my heart on my sleeve, sometimes to my detriment. It stung to read these words said and the goals they advanced behind my back. It stung for others also hit by them.

Ambroscus Koth wrote: My history with Xoriet goes back over a decade. Not all of those years were spent being the best of friends, but I know damn well what she's done for this game, for the NPO, and for her friends in that time. I know how she deserves to be treated, and this isn't it. If anything, I should be the one getting skewered for my comments, but the cowardly leaker only saw fit to show you what you didn't already know.


Xoriet had a successful and distinguished career in the NPO for sure. Was that in dispute? The NPO is an old and competent government and can handle itself, I’m sure.
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Ambroscus Koth
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Postby Ambroscus Koth » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:46 am

Rhaza wrote:Xoriet had a successful and distinguished career in the NPO for sure. Was that in dispute? The NPO is an old and competent government and can handle itself, I’m sure.

For as much as I resent how much of insider Gameplay is done in smoky backrooms that most players never get to see, and for as much as that environment is where Xoriet has always thrived, she did not deserve a callout post from her successor that implies that the NPO has anything to apologize for, that there is anything she did that was actually detrimental to the NPO's reputation in any meaningful way. She didn't deserve this, because --

Rhaza wrote:Rather ironic, but I digress. Pray tell, what did I do here? I certainly don’t control the Empress.

The people around me… like the people Xoriet called parasites and leeches?[...]

I wear my heart on my sleeve, sometimes to my detriment. It stung to read these words said and the goals they advanced behind my back. It stung for others also hit by them.

It wasn't any of your business, not everything that happens outside of your direct line of sight is "behind your back". Xoriet brokered these discussions on her own, without any regional backing, as an individual person that Malice and TNP trusted. The discussions, though fruitful, were ultimately unsuccessful in brokering peace, but successful in being a refreshing good faith dialogue between two parties with presently irreconcilable differences. It was over, done with, dead in the ground, before the clock struck midnight on the new year.

They were dragged up for drama by a coward who waited until Xoriet was happily retired, to drag her name without fear of blowback. The NPO should have just let you deal with it, let you live with the fact that a retired, now irrelevant player presented the idea that maybe the way Europeia, Balder, The League, et al engage with other regions is indeed parasitic and detrimental to independent foreign policy. They didn't have to apologize and make it sound like there were any other "relevant shareholders" that needed to be involved in that conversation.

The North Pacific should be taking notes here about who the MGC believes needs to be deeply involved in every conversation they have with a foreign power. They think they own you.
Patience pays off.

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The Sapientia
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Sapientia » Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:48 am

Wishing there was some sort of science fiction franchise themed region I could take out my sadness on right about now..
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Rhaza
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Rhaza » Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:06 am

Ambroscus Koth wrote:It wasn't any of your business, not everything that happens outside of your direct line of sight is "behind your back". Xoriet brokered these discussions on her own, without any regional backing, as an individual person that Malice and TNP trusted.


I really don't have any desire to litigate the NPO's statement with you, because it's theirs and that is that. But I think you can see how "broker[ing] these discussions on her own, without any regional backing" while head of state would be a problem to... most regions? Especially when they seem to discover it by surprise? Come on.

Ambroscus Koth wrote:The discussions, though fruitful, were ultimately unsuccessful in brokering peace


I can't imagine why.

    Valtarre: Because the alternative is I walk away because you are annoying me
    Valtarre: Is that what you want?

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This will be my last reply to you on the issue. The rest of your post is weak agitation. I wish the NPO the best with all of this and appreciate the diligence they have taken in addressing concerns on this matter.
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Ambroscus Koth
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Ambroscus Koth » Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:20 am

Rhaza wrote:
    Valtarre: Because the alternative is I walk away because you are annoying me
    Valtarre: Is that what you want?

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This will be my last reply to you on the issue. The rest of your post is weak agitation.

Ah, so you do understand that there is a point where you have to walk away because someone is annoying you! What's good for the goose is good for the gander, you know.
Patience pays off.

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Varanius
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Founded: Sep 18, 2019
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Varanius » Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:04 pm

“Xoriet’s region should treat her better”
- Guy famous for treating Xoriet and her region really, really well
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Belleroph wrote:We have Vara, a fucking shortsighted, self centered, selfish prick as the Delegate of The West Pacific
Sedgistan wrote:Custom forum titles have been applied to the winners. Vara's is big.
Haymarket Riot wrote:Vara is effectively the weapon of a political machine
Ambroscus Koth wrote:When Vara says "jump", the Gameplay elite ask "how high?"
Pallaith wrote: You preening showboating motherfuckers have just derailed my evening

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Ambroscus Koth
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Postby Ambroscus Koth » Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:17 pm

Varanius wrote:“Xoriet’s region should treat her better”
- Guy famous for treating Xoriet and her region really, really well

I know that you are terminally addicted to sassy one-liners, but if you would like to share your thoughts with the rest of the adults, you might have to actually think for two seconds and come up with follow-up thoughts such as "Koth and the NPO are two separate entities with different relationships to Xoriet and roles in the game, which come with separate sets of expectations for how they approach the subject."

Your assignment is to consider this basic concept and only hit "Reply" once you're prepared to do so. Don't worry, there is no time limit.
Patience pays off.

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Varanius
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Postby Varanius » Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:24 pm

Koth and the NPO are two separate entities with different relationships to Xoriet and roles in the game, which come with separate sets of expectations for how they approach the subject. For example, one of them actually likes and worked extensively with Xoriet, and the other is bitching in that last one’s thread. Now where is that reply button….
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Belleroph wrote:We have Vara, a fucking shortsighted, self centered, selfish prick as the Delegate of The West Pacific
Sedgistan wrote:Custom forum titles have been applied to the winners. Vara's is big.
Haymarket Riot wrote:Vara is effectively the weapon of a political machine
Ambroscus Koth wrote:When Vara says "jump", the Gameplay elite ask "how high?"
Pallaith wrote: You preening showboating motherfuckers have just derailed my evening

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Ambroscus Koth
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Ambroscus Koth » Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:40 pm

Varanius wrote:Koth and the NPO are two separate entities with different relationships to Xoriet and roles in the game, which come with separate sets of expectations for how they approach the subject. For example, one of them actually likes and worked extensively with Xoriet, and the other is bitching in that last one’s thread. Now where is that reply button….

Who are you to determine whether or not I like someone? Where do you get the idea that I have not worked with her extensively? The two of us were in Miniluv together long before you could even post on these forums. In the grand scheme of how long we've known each other, the entire time you have been an FA entity is the small anomaly.

All that to say, you are forced to minimize and dismiss what I have to say because I actually have a point, which you are incapable of actually addressing. If you respect Xoriet so much, perhaps you should join me in asking why it was so necessary to make a public statement about something that was an entirely private affair until today, making her sound like she did something condemnable when in reality it was mild justifiable criticism of the people you're not allowed to criticize? Or is it only fair to question my motives?
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Varanius
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Varanius » Thu Apr 03, 2025 1:58 pm

Ambroscus Koth wrote:All that to say, you are forced to minimize and dismiss what I have to say because I actually have a point
No, I am choosing to minimize and dismiss the things you say, because I‘ve seen the logs. Xoriet said some things she shouldn’t have, and the NPO has apologized and clarified their position. That’s all there is to it. I mean seriously, you expect anyone to believe that the NPO has somehow horrifically mistreated their just Empress and half-decade+ stateswomen on a whim, and that the only person brave enough to stand up to this is someone who has spent most of recent history undermining both the NPO and Xoriet’s foreign policy and aims at every conceivable turn, something he can vouch for because they were both in some musty cabal a decade ago? No thanks. I’m not really buying this shit, certainly not from this bull.
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Delegate of the West Pacific
Founding Father of the Sovereign Seven
World Assembly Secretary-General
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Belleroph wrote:We have Vara, a fucking shortsighted, self centered, selfish prick as the Delegate of The West Pacific
Sedgistan wrote:Custom forum titles have been applied to the winners. Vara's is big.
Haymarket Riot wrote:Vara is effectively the weapon of a political machine
Ambroscus Koth wrote:When Vara says "jump", the Gameplay elite ask "how high?"
Pallaith wrote: You preening showboating motherfuckers have just derailed my evening

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Ambroscus Koth
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Postby Ambroscus Koth » Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:16 pm

Varanius wrote:
Ambroscus Koth wrote:All that to say, you are forced to minimize and dismiss what I have to say because I actually have a point
No, I am choosing to minimize and dismiss the things you say, because I‘ve seen the logs. Xoriet said some things she shouldn’t have, and the NPO has apologized and clarified their position. That’s all there is to it. I mean seriously, you expect anyone to believe that the NPO has somehow horrifically mistreated their just Empress and half-decade+ stateswomen on a whim, and that the only person brave enough to stand up to this is someone who has spent most of recent history undermining both the NPO and Xoriet’s foreign policy and aims at every conceivable turn, something he can vouch for because they were both in some musty cabal a decade ago? No thanks. I’m not really buying this shit, certainly not from this bull.

Not only did Xoriet not say anything that she shouldn't have, but she should have said more and actually acted on any of it. She did nothing wrong, there was nothing to apologize for, and there was certainly no reason to drag her in retirement for it. The NPO had no reason to "clarify" anything to the Gameplay forum, because nobody outside of a select few even know what's going on. Most people don't even know who these comments were directed towards.

I can't give you a singular answer as to why I'm the only one brave enough to say anything about it publicly so far, but it's clear that you'd be surprised at the people who have thanked me privately for doing so. If I had to guess, nobody else wants to say anything because criticizing your clique gets you made into a public example, no matter how respected you think you are. I'm just in a position to not care about my standing falling any further in their eyes.
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Varanius
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Postby Varanius » Thu Apr 03, 2025 2:19 pm

….riiiight. Well, fun chatting as always. Do let me know if the silent majority ever elects a second mouthpiece
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Belleroph wrote:We have Vara, a fucking shortsighted, self centered, selfish prick as the Delegate of The West Pacific
Sedgistan wrote:Custom forum titles have been applied to the winners. Vara's is big.
Haymarket Riot wrote:Vara is effectively the weapon of a political machine
Ambroscus Koth wrote:When Vara says "jump", the Gameplay elite ask "how high?"
Pallaith wrote: You preening showboating motherfuckers have just derailed my evening

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Apr 03, 2025 6:21 pm

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