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Saddams Kuwait
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Condemn The Greater German Reich

Postby Saddams Kuwait » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:10 pm

Condemn The Greater German Reich
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: The Greater German Reich

Proposed by: Saddams Kuwait

Description: RECOGNIZING the Nazi ideology as one of hate,

ASSERTING that any region condoning and encouraging such beliefs is a danger to a large range of minorities and cultures,

FURTHER ASSERTING that it is our responsibility to discourage this kind of intolerance,

HOPING that an official condemnation from the World Assembly will discourage people from listening to or believing any messages of hate or intolerance from this region,

the World Assembly hereby condemns the region of The Greater German Reich.
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Saddams Kuwait
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Postby Saddams Kuwait » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:12 pm

I will be making change to the wording and vocabulary of this bill, but the general idea of it is good. I liked the first NAZI EUROPE resolution, so I want to model this one after it.

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:12 pm

Illegal on 3 counts:

1. You can't condemn a nation/region solely on the basis of ideology.

2. You can't make reference to RW ideology without showing how it applies to the nation/region in question.

3. Plagiarism.

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Postby Saddams Kuwait » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:15 pm

Sedgistan wrote:Illegal on 3 counts:

1. You can't condemn a nation/region solely on the basis of ideology.

2. You can't make reference to RW ideology without showing how it applies to the nation/region in question.

3. Plagiarism.


OK so why was the original NAZI EUROPE condemnation allowed to stay in place for so long.

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:23 pm

The ideology rule wasn't in place when it was passed, and neither was Rule 4. Additionally, one can't attempt to repeal a resolution on the grounds that its illegal, as any passed resolution is considered legal by nature of it being a passed piece of WA legislation.

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Postby Saddams Kuwait » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:28 pm

OK so if this passes then it will be legal by nature of it being a passed piece of WA legislation.

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Postby Saddams Kuwait » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:29 pm

Link to the ideology rule?

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Postby Warzone Codger » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:29 pm

I'm surprised the Mods *did* change the rules back to banning solely ideological C&Cs when repeal Nazi Europe passed.

I would of hoped that mods would of continued to allowed that, - with the caveat about RL Ideologies which is in place since rule 4. Guess that vindicates my ranting about the mods in that debate.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:45 pm

Saddams Kuwait wrote:OK so if this passes then it will be legal by nature of it being a passed piece of WA legislation.

It can't pass, since if it was submitted it would be deleted.

Saddams Kuwait wrote:Link to the ideology rule?

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=8809

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:03 pm

Warzone Codger wrote:I'm surprised the Mods *did* change the rules back to banning solely ideological C&Cs when repeal Nazi Europe passed.

I would of hoped that mods would of continued to allowed that, - with the caveat about RL Ideologies which is in place since rule 4. Guess that vindicates my ranting about the mods in that debate.

C&C resolutions are for the WA to take an opinion on the actions within NationStates of nations & regions. Note 'within NationStates', not RL. If the ideology of a nation or region amounts to more than just the thoughts of the player(s) behind the nation/region, then there will be concrete actions within NationStates for you to base your proposal on.

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Postby Zoerb » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:06 pm

You should probably note it says "Condemn NAZI EUROPE" in your proposal even though the rest is about the Greater German Reich. Missed that when you were copy-pasting. :roll:
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Postby Saddams Kuwait » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:40 pm

Zoerb wrote:You should probably note it says "Condemn NAZI EUROPE" in your proposal even though the rest is about the Greater German Reich. Missed that when you were copy-pasting. :roll:


What?

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Postby Saddams Kuwait » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:05 pm

This is my new and improved resolution.

Condemn The Greater German Reich
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation

Nominee: The Greater German Reich

Proposed by: Saddams Kuwait

Description: ASSERTING that the Nazi ideology is hateful, vile, and disgusting,

BELIEVING that the World Assembly must not stand idly by as neo-Nazis take over Nationstates,

FURTHER BELIEVING that doing nothing would help to make the world safe for these Nazis,

RECOGNIZING from their World Factbook Entry and assorted forums that The Greater German Reich is a region full of Hitler lovers and other assorted Nazis,

And NOTING that expressing the opinions of its member nations is an appropriate purpose of the World Assembly and not in any way a violation of free speech,

the World Assembly hereby condemns the region of The Greater German Reich.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:09 pm

You're still mentioning a RW-ideology (Nazism) without reference to what it is in NationStates (and in fact that applies to all the references to Nazis too - unless you explain what Nazis are in the context of NS, it's presumed to be a RW reference). Additionally, Hitler is a RW reference, and thus illegal.
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Postby Frattastan » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:15 am

Considering that less than a month ago you submitted the following proposal (viewtopic.php?f=24&t=80351&p=3841235#p3841235), I'm thinking you're just interested in writing illegal resolutions to damage the reputation of the SC.

The drafting of a condemnation of The Greater German Reich is already ongoing, so if you want you can put your suggestions in the following thread viewtopic.php?f=24&t=80837
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:33 pm

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MAKE IT STOP OH GOD WHY MAKE IT STOP. I'm sick of hearing about these "nazis"!

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Postby Flemingovia » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:40 am

I Would suggest putting in this clause:

"RECOGNISING that the combination of the letters N-A-Z and I and H-I-T-L-E and R in the Nationstates world has nothing to do with a similar or identical combination of letters in any other world, and that any similarity between the two is purely coincidental."
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