[SUBMITTED] Injunct Solidarity

[Ostrovskiy]

We have a burgeoning typical raider agendaposter here! Here's a tip, nobody likes it when you lie for the cause except for your masters, who really don't care if you do or not.

Your attempt at condescension would maybe be offensive if I didn't completely outrank you in terms of relative position in our respective orgs. Why don't you ever take a break from agendaposting for your masters then? Quite frankly I sense a bit of projection here.

The difference is I'm not lying.

[MKH Gyrfalcon Squadron]

Your attempt at condescension would maybe be offensive if I didn't completely outrank you in terms of relative position in our respective orgs. Why don't you ever take a break from agendaposting for your masters then? Quite frankly I sense a bit of projection here.

The difference is I'm not lying.

You're trying to gaslight natives by telling them they are TCB puppets, despite them demonstrably being part of an independent initiative mostly spearheaded by TLA, and using this as a weak excuse to grief their region.

You are not a defender. You are a lackey who does, and believes, everything your masters tell you, no matter how much this scales up to any ethos you once adhered to.

[Evil Spode]

if The Wellspring was couped tomorrow, would it be considered a TLC colony if the LDF turned up to liberate?

If rhinos were of the genus Giraffa, had really long necks, and used them to eat vegetation, would they be considered giraffes?
I mean, yes, but in your post, there's an unspoken deviation from basic and material reality- Solidarity is- or was- a colony of TCB.
The Wellspring is not a colony of any region to my knowledge.

[Ostrovskiy]

The difference is I'm not lying.

You're trying to gaslight natives by telling them they are TCB puppets, despite them demonstrably being part of an independent initiative mostly spearheaded by TLA, and using this as a weak excuse to grief their region.

You are not a defender. You are a lackey who does, and believes, everything your masters tell you, no matter how much this scales up to any ethos you once adhered to.

You're trying to gaslight, well, the whole NSGP community (which I don't blame you for, you had to spin this to look good somehow after all), by telling them that Solidarity was not in any significant way tied with TCB, despite them demonstrably being so, and using this as a weak excuse to make defenders look like griefers.

You are not an independent. You're a raider who destroys any region because you think it'd be fun lmao, and your region is the same. TCB is a raider organization and will do anything to fall over and kiss BoM's ass, no matter how much this scales up to any ethos ya'll once adhered to.

[Improper Classifications]

if The Wellspring was couped tomorrow, would it be considered a TLC colony if the LDF turned up to liberate?

If rhinos were of the genus Giraffa, had really long necks, and used them to eat vegetation, would they be considered giraffes?
I mean, yes, but in your post, there's an unspoken deviation from basic and material reality- Solidarity is- or was- a colony of TCB.
The Wellspring is not a colony of any region to my knowledge.

Great, now I'm really disgusted, because the relationships between TNP and TW that are true are nearly identical to the TCB-SL relationship. TW was literally a military colony of TNP until it was, in fact, turned into an independent region.

For anyone that is curious about the depth of TNP's involvement, I have optional reading below: the telegram from Gorundu sent to all of TNP when The Wellspring fell into their control.

[Evil Spode]

If rhinos were of the genus Giraffa, had really long necks, and used them to eat vegetation, would they be considered giraffes?
I mean, yes, but in your post, there's an unspoken deviation from basic and material reality- Solidarity is- or was- a colony of TCB.
The Wellspring is not a colony of any region to my knowledge.

Great, now I'm really disgusted, because the relationships between TNP and TW that are true are nearly identical to the TCB-SL relationship. TW was literally a military colony of TNP until it was, in fact, turned into an independent region.

Did I ever claim it wasn't?

[Improper Classifications]

Great, now I'm really disgusted, because the relationships between TNP and TW that are true are nearly identical to the TCB-SL relationship. TW was literally a military colony of TNP until it was, in fact, turned into an independent region.

Did I ever claim it wasn't?

I will admit I could have phrased that better, but in the last section of your post you said:

[...]there's an unspoken deviation from basic and material reality- Solidarity is- or was- a colony of TCB.
The Wellspring is not a colony of any region to my knowledge.

which certainly implies that The Wellspring was not a colony of any region, given context with the previous sentence.

[Second Sovereignty]

And yet, when I look at this supposedly independent region, I see that over the past week TCB has, since the displacement of the puppet Kavamkao regime, had to dedicate its resources-- Over 220+ aircraft thus far-- to (unsuccessfully) invade its own colony rather than participating in the destruction of other regions. A curious state of affairs.

Mysteriously, when you're part of an alliance, you go to the aid of your allies. That's what the NSLeft is. Maybe do some basic research.

[Evil Spode]

And yet, when I look at this supposedly independent region, I see that over the past week TCB has, since the displacement of the puppet Kavamkao regime, had to dedicate its resources-- Over 220+ aircraft thus far-- to (unsuccessfully) invade its own colony rather than participating in the destruction of other regions. A curious state of affairs.

Mysteriously, when you're part of an alliance, you go to the aid of your allies. That's what the NSLeft is. Maybe do some basic research.

My research skills- Much like my research scales- Are both immaculate and flawless.
Famously, it's an alliance of just TCB and no other regions, which is why only TCB is trying to restore the failed regime.

[Second Sovereignty]

My research skills- Much like my research scales- Are both immaculate and flawless.
Famously, it's an alliance of just TCB and no other regions, which is why only TCB is trying to restore the failed regime.

The PRAF is the only operational regional military in the NSLeft at present, the liberation effort is being undertaken by that command structure as-such. A great number of players from the rest of NSLeft have come in specifically for this operation, because it is an attack on the whole of NSLeft. But you know that already, I suspect, so don't lie to me. It doesn't look good for you.

[Rhaza]

My research skills- Much like my research scales- Are both immaculate and flawless.
Famously, it's an alliance of just TCB and no other regions, which is why only TCB is trying to restore the failed regime.

The PRAF is the only operational regional military in the NSLeft at present, the liberation effort is being undertaken by that command structure as-such. A great number of players from the rest of NSLeft have come in specifically for this operation, because it is an attack on the whole of NSLeft. But you know that already, I suspect, so don't lie to me. It doesn't look good for you.

Interesting. So, NSLeft created a Frontier (a deliberately vulnerable region) knowing that PRAF was the organization’s only functional military that would be tasked with defending it… but TCB is somehow only minimally involved in the project?

I’m far from a mathematician, but even I can tell things aren’t adding up.

[Improper Classifications]

The PRAF is the only operational regional military in the NSLeft at present, the liberation effort is being undertaken by that command structure as-such. A great number of players from the rest of NSLeft have come in specifically for this operation, because it is an attack on the whole of NSLeft. But you know that already, I suspect, so don't lie to me. It doesn't look good for you.

Interesting. So, NSLeft created a Frontier (a deliberately vulnerable region) knowing that PRAF was the organization’s only functional military that would be tasked with defending it… but TCB is somehow only minimally involved in the project?

I’m far from a mathematician, but even I can tell things aren’t adding up.

Frankly, that sounds more like you knew NSLeft's frontier only had PRAF protecting it and invaded with the excuse of previous PRAF involvement, then watched as they attempted to liberate the region.

[Evil Spode]

My research skills- Much like my research scales- Are both immaculate and flawless.
Famously, it's an alliance of just TCB and no other regions, which is why only TCB is trying to restore the failed regime.

The PRAF is the only operational regional military in the NSLeft at present, the liberation effort is being undertaken by that command structure as-such.

And so any use of Solidarity for military recruitment would automatically be feeding into a griefer military? Is this not the implication?

I'm a reasonable lizard asking reasonable questions after all- And, I will note- Not materially involved in the regime change ongoing in Solidarity right now.
Sure I have opinions, but everyone's entitled to hold opinions!

[Second Sovereignty]

Interesting. So, NSLeft created a Frontier (a deliberately vulnerable region) knowing that PRAF was the organization’s only functional military that would be tasked with defending it… but TCB is somehow only minimally involved in the project?
I’m far from a mathematician, but even I can tell things aren’t adding up.

It's almost like 'Defenders' weren't expected to invade an uninvolved, neutral region, for absolutely no reason. But clearly regions cannot rely on you people.

And so any use of Solidarity for military recruitment would automatically be feeding into a griefer military? Is this not the implication?

Yeah yeah okay you're just going to ignore reality in favor of scoring points, try not to walk into arguments I've already handled neatly. TCB is not a raider region, even if we were, we don't, did not, and have no intention of, recruiting from Solidarity, as the Frontier best serves our smaller NSLeft allies; the implication is you invaded uninvolved region with no GP position or relevance and gave uninvolved parties a reason to oppose you in their own defense. Good job Defenderdom.

[Evil Spode]

TCB is not a raider region

If TCB is not a raider region, why can it only raid?

[Second Sovereignty]

If TCB is not a raider region, why can it only raid?

We're doing a liberation right now, if you can believe it. Wonder why that is.
Also we did some detagging just the other day; if y'all weren't burning all your forces occupying a neutral region, you might've had time to handle that. But I guess you just, don't really care, now do you?

[Astrobolt]

TCB is not a raider region

This statement deeply calls into question your credibility here. A griefer region which has allied so closely with other Raider Unity regions is for all intents and purposes nothing but a band of raiders.

[Rhaza]

If TCB is not a raider region, why can it only raid?

We're doing a liberation right now, if you can believe it.

I can’t. I certainly don’t believe you did one at minor? Nor had any nations update in Solidarity last major?

[Evil Spode]

If TCB is not a raider region, why can it only raid?

We're doing a liberation right now, if you can believe it.

Then why do I not see any liberators? My vision isn't the best, but if it can detect small mammalian prey on the forest floor, it should be enough to see a squadron of fighter jets methinks!

[Second Sovereignty]

This statement deeply calls into question your credibility here. A griefer region which has allied so closely with other Raider Unity regions is for all intents and purposes nothing but a band of raiders.

This has been explained hundreds of times by now, by people much better equipped than I. If you want to know how it operates, shoot Mlakhavia a TG, she'd be happy to explain it to you. If you'd rather listen to the people shredding an uninvolved region for pure petty spite against all the principles they claim to champion, that's not on me.

[Evil Spode]

If you'd rather listen to the people shredding

I understand your confusion- But it's not "shredding", it's "shedding', and it's how everything grows and matures over time as its skin becomes too small. By every objective metric, since TCB's hold on Solidarity was lifted, the region has become better- There's been more RMB activity than in its entire history, the record endorsements of the government's highest representative have more than tripled, and according to recent polling, 100% of respondentsssss *tongue flick* approve new government! Why attempt to chain the region to its old masters when it's so much better now?

[Sultanate of Turkey]

For.

[Venusian Soviets]

if The Wellspring was couped tomorrow, would it be considered a TLC colony if the LDF turned up to liberate?

If rhinos were of the genus Giraffa, had really long necks, and used them to eat vegetation, would they be considered giraffes?
I mean, yes, but in your post, there's an unspoken deviation from basic and material reality- Solidarity is- or was- a colony of TCB.
The Wellspring is not a colony of any region to my knowledge.

Solidarity is very much TLA-based. Kavamako is run by Kavagrad, who was from The Leftist Assembly.

[Evil Spode]

Solidarity is very much TLA-based.

The first post in Solidarity came from Comrade Miravana- What does that tell you?

[Improper Classifications]

Solidarity is very much TLA-based.

The first post in Solidarity came from Comrade Miravana- What does that tell you?

The first post in The North Pacific is from a RMB recruiter, which by your logic means TNP is run by RMB recruiters