American Politics: The Speaker's Cornered

[Deblar]

How exactly is he supposed to run to the right of trump on immigration? By suggesting that the border be completely shut for 10 years and anyone who tries to cross will come face to face with the combined national guards of every state on the border?

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

Why do I get the feeling that would end up being our version of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?

[The Jamesian Republic]

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

Why do I get the feeling that would end up being our version of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?

Technically we already had that when we invaded Afghanistan.

[Cook-Out]

Some states do. They are called State Defense Forces and are mostly made up of veterans and other volunteers.

Legally they are considered civilians and not actually military members. The SDFs are more in line with a paramilitary than an actual military


It’s already been revived. Happened in 2022

Though it’s a volunteer force so not exactly a hit squad

The child catcher's goon squad.

21 other states have SDFs so this is not unusual

[Bradfordville]

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

Why do I get the feeling that would end up being our version of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?

Considering what the cartel does to its victims, I wish.

Americans will go from 35% approval to 5% real quick if they see some of the nasty things El Chapo and Co has in store for any soldiers they get their hands on.

[Ifreann]

The child catcher's goon squad.

21 other states have SDFs so this is not unusual

A sick freak obsessed with children's genitals recruiting a gang is clearly a bad thing whether usual or not.

[Bradfordville]

21 other states have SDFs so this is not unusual

A sick freak obsessed with children's genitals recruiting a gang is clearly a bad thing whether usual or not.

I think cook-out may be a fan of said individual, just based on a previous statement. So I dont think he's scared of the idea of DeSantis having a Florida version of the Rapid Support Forces.

[Shrillland]

Another amendment to the Plaza:

Texas: The fourth Amendment is a county amendment. Yes, Texas does have them, but they aren't as common as Alabama. This amendment would abolish the office of County Treasurer in Galveston County. This is up because the recently-elected treasurer of the County is a fairly Libertarian guy who ran specifically on a promise to abolish his office, which requires an amendment because Treasurer is a constitutional office for most counties. Both the state and the county will have to approve it.

[Cook-Out]

A sick freak obsessed with children's genitals recruiting a gang is clearly a bad thing whether usual or not.

I think cook-out may be a fan of said individual, just based on a previous statement. So I dont think he's scared of the idea of DeSantis having a Florida version of the Rapid Support Forces.

Yeah, although the similarities to the Hilfspolizei and other groups are notable, I sincerely doubt that he's going to use them to attack political opponents. He stated that they would be a supplement to the National Guard since there are a lot of hurricanes etc in Florida. Plus, there is always the federal government which can step in if anything weird goes on.
Ah, I love federalism.

[Ifreann]

I think cook-out may be a fan of said individual, just based on a previous statement. So I dont think he's scared of the idea of DeSantis having a Florida version of the Rapid Support Forces.

Yeah, although the similarities to the Hilfspolizei and other groups are notable, I sincerely doubt that he's going to use them to attack political opponents. He stated that they would be a supplement to the National Guard since there are a lot of hurricanes etc in Florida. Plus, there is always the federal government which can step in if anything weird goes on.

Oh, well, if that's what he stated then I'm sure he won't be using his personal army to kidnap children.

[Senkaku]

https://jacobin.com/2023/05/ron-desanti ... retirement <<< more fun stuff from Governor DeSantis (throwing Florida pension fund money at the private equity ghouls who've helped back his campaigns).

I sincerely doubt that he's going to use them to attack political opponents.

Given his track record of using the state police to do just that, I see no reason to doubt that he would use additional paramilitary forces to do the same.

Plus, there is always the federal government which can step in if anything weird goes on.

So, what, you expect Joseph Robinette Biden is going to send the 101st Airborne into Tallahassee if DeSantis disappears any trans kids?

why is "get the book yourself" a massive violation when "this can't be broadcast" isn't?

You're asking why we treat different mediums differently? I think it has something to do with them being the message, no? I remember reading that somewhere...

Why do I get the feeling that would end up being our version of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?

Considering what the cartel does to its victims, I wish.

Americans will go from 35% approval to 5% real quick if they see some of the nasty things El Chapo and Co has in store for any soldiers they get their hands on.

I am once again asking Yankees what they think a cartel is

[Ifreann]

I sincerely doubt that he's going to use them to attack political opponents.

Given his track record of using the state police to do just that, I see no reason to doubt that he would use additional paramilitary forces to do the same.

Plus, there is always the federal government which can step in if anything weird goes on.

So, what, you expect Joseph Robinette Biden is going to send the 101st Airborne into Tallahassee if DeSantis disappears any trans kids?

why is "get the book yourself" a massive violation when "this can't be broadcast" isn't?

You're asking why we treat different mediums differently? I think it has something to do with them being the message, no? I remember reading that somewhere...

Considering what the cartel does to its victims, I wish.

Americans will go from 35% approval to 5% real quick if they see some of the nasty things El Chapo and Co has in store for any soldiers they get their hands on.

I am once again asking Yankees what they think a cartel is

A cartel is when Mexicans sell drugs, and the more drugs they sell the more carteller it is.

[Bradfordville]

I am once again asking Yankees what they think a cartel is

An organized crime group that traffics in illegal narcotics? I didn't think acknowledging the existence of such things was controversial. It's just a statement of fact that Mexico has a problem with drug cartels, including a long lasting conflict between the state and the crime groups which has killed thousands of Mexicans.

And also that a war in Mexico would destabilize the state and give said organized crime gangs room to grow their influence and also target the US soldiers stationed within the country specifically to target them.

[Tarsonis]

Given his track record of using the state police to do just that, I see no reason to doubt that he would use additional paramilitary forces to do the same.

So, what, you expect Joseph Robinette Biden is going to send the 101st Airborne into Tallahassee if DeSantis disappears any trans kids?

You're asking why we treat different mediums differently? I think it has something to do with them being the message, no? I remember reading that somewhere...


I am once again asking Yankees what they think a cartel is

A cartel is when Mexicans sell drugs, and the more drugs they sell the more carteller it is.

De Beers liked that

[Tarsonis]

How exactly is he supposed to run to the right of trump on immigration? By suggesting that the border be completely shut for 10 years and anyone who tries to cross will come face to face with the combined national guards of every state on the border?

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

Then we'd inherit all of Mexico's problems.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

How exactly is he supposed to run to the right of trump on immigration? By suggesting that the border be completely shut for 10 years and anyone who tries to cross will come face to face with the combined national guards of every state on the border?

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

And then Texas will make China in 1920's look like paradise because we have dissolved the border.
<.< >.>

[Senkaku]

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

Then we'd inherit all of Mexico's problems.

We already have all of Mexico's problems, we just like to pretend we're actually European or Japanese so we don't have to think about it.

I am once again asking Yankees what they think a cartel is

An organized crime group that traffics in illegal narcotics?

Which is constituted of what, of who? How do they move tons of product across one of the most heavily policed and surveilled borders in the world, and then distribute it widely across the most advanced carceral state in history? How do they consistently evade the most sophisticated intelligence and surveillance apparatuses ever conceived, even as billions of dollars and thousands of soldiers are theoretically committed every year to hunting them down?

between the state and the crime groups

This kind of Calderon-era morality play model of the drug war is both dated and naive, as is the idea that this conflict is currently restricted to Mexico alone. The political economy of the North American drug and arms trades spans the border, spans criminals and peace officers and elected officials.

And also that a war in Mexico would destabilize the state and give said organized crime gangs room to grow their influence and also target the US soldiers stationed within the country specifically to target them.

If the Mexican state is destabilized by an American invasion, the result won't be that "organized crime" in Mexico magically mushrooms-- that criminality can't exist without the Mexican state. Yes, violence will certainly intensify, but the result will simply be that the American state and its occupying force takes on Mexico City's hegemonic role in the drug trade, ruling directly rather than delegating the messiness overseas-- as I've said before, I think even in this thread, we'll end up with the cartel to end all cartels being run straight from the Pentagon. You can already see its precursors swirling around Ft. Bragg, tbh-- but an invasion would be so messy, when we can keep a war going down there permanently without having to commit a single GI.

A cartel is when Mexicans sell drugs, and the more drugs they sell the more carteller it is.

De Beers liked that

It is funny that in normal parlance the word "cartel" means entities like OPEC or De Beers which collaborate to raise the price of their products, whereas when it's used wrt narcotrafficking it seemingly describes groups or organizations that actually seem to compete fiercely with one another.

[Ifreann]

A cartel is when Mexicans sell drugs, and the more drugs they sell the more carteller it is.

De Beers liked that

They know how they can show their appreciation.

[Des-Bal]

You're asking why we treat different mediums differently? I think it has something to do with them being the message, no? I remember reading that somewhere...

That seems pretty irrational. If you can't say a sentence on public televison with the principle concern being that children may see it then it's wildly incongruous to say that excluding a book containing the same from a school library or just excluding it from the curriculum and keeping it in the school library is horrible because children deserve to read it.

We are saying the same words the government is obligated to grant children expanded access to should be punishable by prison.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Another amendment to the Plaza:

Texas: The fourth Amendment is a county amendment. Yes, Texas does have them, but they aren't as common as Alabama. This amendment would abolish the office of County Treasurer in Galveston County. This is up because the recently-elected treasurer of the County is a fairly Libertarian guy who ran specifically on a promise to abolish his office, which requires an amendment because Treasurer is a constitutional office for most counties. Both the state and the county will have to approve it.

I mean, props for sticking to his campaign promise I guess?

[Elwher]

How exactly is he supposed to run to the right of trump on immigration? By suggesting that the border be completely shut for 10 years and anyone who tries to cross will come face to face with the combined national guards of every state on the border?

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

Once we win, either we annex it, which makes the Mexicans Americans automatically, or we pull back, leaving things pretty much that same as now but with a poorer Mexico making immigration even more popular.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

Once we win, either we annex it, which makes the Mexicans Americans automatically, or we pull back, leaving things pretty much that same as now but with a poorer Mexico making immigration even more popular.

I see you haven't been around the Iraqi-Syrian or Iraqi-Iranian borders in 2011 very much.

At least I don't hate Texans to the point where I wish drug cartel ISIS on them.

[Senkaku]

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

Once we win, either we annex it, which makes the Mexicans Americans automatically, or we pull back, leaving things pretty much that same as now but with a poorer Mexico making immigration even more popular.

"Once"?

drug cartel ISIS on them.

Jesus Christ lol. US political consciousness is just images of cartoon villains all the way down isn't it

[Elwher]

Once we win, either we annex it, which makes the Mexicans Americans automatically, or we pull back, leaving things pretty much that same as now but with a poorer Mexico making immigration even more popular.

I see you haven't been around the Iraqi-Syrian or Iraqi-Iranian borders in 2011 very much.

At least I don't hate Texans to the point where I wish drug cartel ISIS on them.

Both of those are between powers with somewhat equivalent militaries. The power imbalance between the US and Mexico would posit a different result.

[Bradfordville]

Invade Mexico. Can’t have an illegal immigration if there’s no place for the immigration to come from

Once we win, either we annex it, which makes the Mexicans Americans automatically, or we pull back, leaving things pretty much that same as now but with a poorer Mexico making immigration even more popular.

Tfw you Invade Mexico to stop illegal (Hispanic) immigration, and it leads to you annexing the country into the US, making half of Americans Hispanics.

I wouldn't mind personally, if it was a peaceful union and not, you know, war.

[Cook-Out]

Once we win, either we annex it, which makes the Mexicans Americans automatically, or we pull back, leaving things pretty much that same as now but with a poorer Mexico making immigration even more popular.

Tfw you Invade Mexico to stop illegal (Hispanic) immigration, and it leads to you annexing the country into the US, making half of Americans Hispanics.

I wouldn't mind personally, if it was a peaceful union and not, you know, war.

Yeah I wouldn't mind if Mexico, Canada, and America formed a country called "The United States of North America" under the US Constitution