Regardless of how great an example America is, a member if the political minority gets no more power than someone under a dictatorship
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by American Legionaries » Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:37 pm
by Rusozak » Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:50 pm
by Hum Acans Karky » Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:54 pm
Utquiagvik wrote:shit situation for literally anyone who isn’t a white, straight, Republican male. No thanks, I would like to keep our democracy.
by Floofybit » Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:56 pm
Utquiagvik wrote:shit situation for literally anyone who isn’t a white, straight, Republican male. No thanks, I would like to keep our democracy.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:02 pm
by Zaroxa » Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:21 pm
by Bursken » Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:21 pm
by Visharth Che Wes » Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:24 pm
Bursken wrote:Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:It's BASED when the state persecutes, jails and slaughters MY political opponents but when it happens to me it's CRINGE.
Dictators are only good when I agree with them! Then they’re just doing gods work with no oversight! But if they aren’t exactly my belief, then they’re a tyrannical dictator who needs to be taken down!
I’m not a hypocrite, what do you mean?
by Juansonia » Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:27 pm
Dictatorship isn't the absence of freedom, it's the absence of democracy.Zaroxa wrote:Absolutely not, freedom, not only is an American right as listed in the constitution. But it is also a basic human right. Especially since the removal of freedom removes the incentive to respect other human rights.
Space Squid wrote:Each sin should get it's own month.
Right now, Pride gets June, and Greed, Envy, and Gluttony have to share Thanksgiving/Black Friday through Christmas, Sloth gets one day in September, and Lust gets one day in February.
It's not equitable at all
Gandoor wrote:Cliché: A mod making a reply that's full of swearing after someone asks if you're allowed to swear on this site.
It makes me chuckle every time it happens.
by Zaroxa » Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:49 pm
Juansonia wrote:Dictatorship isn't the absence of freedom, it's the absence of democracy.Zaroxa wrote:Absolutely not, freedom, not only is an American right as listed in the constitution. But it is also a basic human right. Especially since the removal of freedom removes the incentive to respect other human rights.
Arguing "dictatorship bad because no freedom or human rights" doesn't work against a pro-my-ideal-dictatorship stance, but it works great against a pro-implementing-dictatorship stance(assuming that people care about freedom and human rights).
That's actually my stance: I don't give a shit about democracy in itself, but I care about the results that Democracy is better at bringing.
by American Legionaries » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:02 pm
Zaroxa wrote:Juansonia wrote:Dictatorship isn't the absence of freedom, it's the absence of democracy.
Arguing "dictatorship bad because no freedom or human rights" doesn't work against a pro-my-ideal-dictatorship stance, but it works great against a pro-implementing-dictatorship stance(assuming that people care about freedom and human rights).
That's actually my stance: I don't give a shit about democracy in itself, but I care about the results that Democracy is better at bringing.
If the government is given complete control they can do whatever they want. That means yes, they can accidentally purposefully deny food to a large region of their territory resulting in the starvation of 3.9 million people. But it's okay that territory had people who disliked the idea of their country committing genocide on ethnic groups in it. Which means that if they care about other people that do not share their beliefs and in some cases physical characteristics, they would oppose a dictatorship at all costs. Now about your "assuming people care about freedom and human rights" part if someone really doesn't care that people are being oppressed or even killed then I really could care less about them. To me they are dead.
by Zaroxa » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:11 pm
American Legionaries wrote:Zaroxa wrote:
If the government is given complete control they can do whatever they want. That means yes, they can accidentally purposefully deny food to a large region of their territory resulting in the starvation of 3.9 million people. But it's okay that territory had people who disliked the idea of their country committing genocide on ethnic groups in it. Which means that if they care about other people that do not share their beliefs and in some cases physical characteristics, they would oppose a dictatorship at all costs. Now about your "assuming people care about freedom and human rights" part if someone really doesn't care that people are being oppressed or even killed then I really could care less about them. To me they are dead.
The degree to which a government exercises control isn't caused by the the system of government.
by Corporate Collective Salvation » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:13 pm
by Haganham » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:16 pm
Countesia wrote:Do you support the abolishment of democracy in the United States to make way for a non-democratic government?[/blocktext]
by Trans-Mississippi » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:30 pm
Utquiagvik wrote:shit situation for literally anyone who isn’t a white, straight, Republican male. No thanks, I would like to keep our democracy.
by American Legionaries » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:32 pm
by Corporate Collective Salvation » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:43 pm
by Zaroxa » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:57 pm
Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:The US was founded as a species of republic.
However, progressive socioeconomic evolution throughout the twentieth century has had significant effect on that original premise.
With Congress delegating much of its responsibility to bureaucracy, and the creation of official and unofficial public/private partnerships in fundamental sectors like insurance, finance, healthcare, telecommunication, and information technology, what American Marxist's ignorantly denounce as capitalism, has actually become a fascist styled cronyism in all but name.
Essentially, an administrated state where progressive corporate and political interests make end runs around citizen and constitution alike by passing the ball back and forth as needed, and cheered on from the sidelines by one squad of cheerleaders ineffectually posing as honest and impartial brokers of information.
by Haganham » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:58 pm
Zaroxa wrote:Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:The US was founded as a species of republic.
However, progressive socioeconomic evolution throughout the twentieth century has had significant effect on that original premise.
With Congress delegating much of its responsibility to bureaucracy, and the creation of official and unofficial public/private partnerships in fundamental sectors like insurance, finance, healthcare, telecommunication, and information technology, what American Marxist's ignorantly denounce as capitalism, has actually become a fascist styled cronyism in all but name.
Essentially, an administrated state where progressive corporate and political interests make end runs around citizen and constitution alike by passing the ball back and forth as needed, and cheered on from the sidelines by one squad of cheerleaders ineffectually posing as honest and impartial brokers of information.
In America I could strip down to my underwear, paint Satanic symbols on my body, go outside and yell obscenities at government officials while holding an automatic weapon in one hand, all the whilst recording an anti government film, without having to serve time. So yes the government does in fact oppress everyone who disagrees with them.
by Corporate Collective Salvation » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:30 pm
Haganham wrote:pretty sure that would be disturbing the peace, and you'd probably get a brandishing/assault charge in the mix as well.
by Zerotaxia » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:33 pm
Floofybit wrote:Making sure the people are alive.
Stringent law enforcement, surveillance, stricter laws against assault and the like
by Necroghastia » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:38 pm
Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:Haganham wrote:pretty sure that would be disturbing the peace, and you'd probably get a brandishing/assault charge in the mix as well.
The statutes of your average Democrat municipality pretty much guarantees prison time for illegal firearms possession.
Unless you are an activist inciting violence on their behalf.
The current Vice President will likely bail you out if there is not a progressive DA at hand to throw your case out completely.
by Myrensis » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:44 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:The statutes of your average Democrat municipality pretty much guarantees prison time for illegal firearms possession.
Unless you are an activist inciting violence on their behalf.
The current Vice President will likely bail you out if there is not a progressive DA at hand to throw your case out completely.
by HISPIDA » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:45 pm
by Corporate Collective Salvation » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:57 pm
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