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[PASSED] Repeal "Freedom of Religion"

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[PASSED] Repeal "Freedom of Religion"

Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:50 pm

Ooc: This will not be submitted until a replacement is already fully drafted. I am drafting a replacement here. This has become GA #631.

"I would like to clarify that, The Ice States' history on this particular matter notwithstanding, there is absolutely no ulterior motive for this repeal. We are not currently drafting a replacement at this time, but invite other World Assembly missions to also do so." The ambassador hides behind a desk after presenting the mission's latest draft to the public _

Believing that the protection of religious individuals from unfair persecution is indeed important, and accordingly respecting the resolution's intent to protect religious individuals,

Affirming that a replacement resolution has already been drafted, so as to ensure that religious freedoms are still protected internationally after repeal of the target, yet

Saddened that the resolution's mandate that restrictions on religious practices only be "the least restrictive means" to advance certain interests prevents member nations from advancing "safety, health, or good order" through more restrictive, albeit also more effective, means, including prohibiting cannibalism wholesale to address the practice's inherent health risks, as opposed to eg licensing and disease testing mandates which are less restrictive but also far less effective,

Emphasising that the requirement that restrictions on religious practices only be to advance interests in "health, safety, or good order" is also too narrow, as there are many other reasons that a member nation might want to restrict a religious practice, such as preventing sacrifice of endangered animals to advance environmental protection, the World Assembly

Declares "Freedom of Religion" null and void.
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Postby Heidgaudr » Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:54 pm

"While GAR#430 has its flaws, we won't support a repeal without also a better replacement to follow it. We'll give more in-depth commentary once we've reviewed the proposal."
IC comments are from Amb. Asgeir Trelstad unless otherwise stated.
Factbooks: WA Staff | WA Agenda | Government | Religion | Demographics
Resolutions authored: GA#629, GA#638, GA#650

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Postby Honeydewistania » Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:40 pm

Could you clarify which religious practices violate national defence laws? And your main argument simply isn't true. It's clearly referring to fundamentalist terrorist groups, not whole organised religions. While we support repeal without replacement we cannot support this.

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Postby ImperialRussia » Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:46 pm

Our nation will not support this repeal

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Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:17 pm

"It is unfortunate that not enough delegations are aware of the importance of enforcing worship of the one true religion to be able to support this. However, we likely will not be pursuing this repeal further."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Coletti,
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Postby Heidgaudr » Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:41 pm

"You're going to have to be a bit more specific, sir. There are just so many one true religions out there, you know. Are we talking about one of the various forms of Ástirism? Worship of Belar? Torak? It's so hard to keep track of which one's the truest nowadays."
IC comments are from Amb. Asgeir Trelstad unless otherwise stated.
Factbooks: WA Staff | WA Agenda | Government | Religion | Demographics
Resolutions authored: GA#629, GA#638, GA#650

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Postby Simone Republic » Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:40 am

If there is a viable replacement to get rid of the issue of cannibalism (with reference to IA's resolution on human meat), I am in support.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:44 pm

Heidgaudr wrote:"You're going to have to be a bit more specific, sir. There are just so many one true religions out there, you know. Are we talking about one of the various forms of Ástirism? Worship of Belar? Torak? It's so hard to keep track of which one's the truest nowadays."


"That would be Violetism, the only religion whose diety can be o-objectively proven to exist." Adelia Meritt replies.
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Postby Juansonia » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:40 pm

Magecastle Embassy Building A5 wrote:"I would like to clarify that, The Ice States' history on this particular matter notwithstanding, there is absolutely no ulterior motive for this repeal.
"I doubt that significantly. After all, The Ice States is a theocracy."- Maria-Fernanda Novo, WA Ambassador for the Armed Republic of Juansonia
Recognising that as nearly all religions and religious groups hold fanatics willing to resort to "violence or coercive action", this can be abused by a delinquent member nation to "take action against" nearly all religious minorities on the grounds that their beliefs have manifested themselves in the form of violence, regardless of whether such violence is necessarily representative of the entire religious group,
"That clause is clearly referring to extremist cells, not to worship organisations." - Maria-Fernanda Novo, Ambassador
Seeking a replacement that addresses these flaws so as to adequately protect religious freedoms worldwide,
"If you truly want to write a replacement to deal with these flaws, then why aren't you writing one?" - Maria-Fernanda Novo, Ambassador
Magecastle Embassy Building A5 wrote:"It is unfortunate that not enough delegations are aware of the importance of enforcing worship of the one true religion to be able to support this. However, we likely will not be pursuing this repeal further."
"So that's why you were writing this, you Theocratic Fuck! Articles 7 and 3 were merely a pitiful attempt to hide your real motivation for writing this draft! You couldn't even bother to hide behind a false sense of sensibility for any longer than it took to distribute copies!" - Maria-Fernanda Novo, Ambassador
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Heidgaudr wrote:"You're going to have to be a bit more specific, sir. There are just so many one true religions out there, you know. Are we talking about one of the various forms of Ástirism? Worship of Belar? Torak? It's so hard to keep track of which one's the truest nowadays."
"That would be Violetism, the only religion whose deity can be o-objectively proven to exist." Adelia Meritt replies.
"Your ability to prove the existence of someone who goes by the name of Violet is not worth as much as you think it is. Can you, in fact, prove that Violet is a deity as described in the doctrine of Violetism and that Violet does not significantly defer from doctrine?" - Maria-Fernanda Novo, Ambassador

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:28 pm

Juansonia wrote:"Your ability to prove the existence of someone who goes by the name of Violet is not worth as much as you think it is. Can you, in fact, prove that Violet is a deity as described in the doctrine of Violetism and that Violet does not significantly defer from doctrine?"

"I-I'm not sure how to break this to you, Ambassador Novo, but the universe we live in is merely a computer simulation." Adelia whispers. "Don't any of these situations we find ourselves in seem just the least bit contrived to you? I mean think about it... nations moving between regions by helicopter? Multiple Earths of infinite size? Does any of this really make any logical sense??"

Adelia Meritt is quickly dragged off by the narrator and reprimanded for breaking character.
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Postby Pennyslov » Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:22 pm

Well It Is Now Taken By Me
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Postby Pennyslov » Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:22 pm

But Differently
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Postby Pennyslov » Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:24 pm

I Wrote Draft Instead Of Doting
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Postby Pennyslov » Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:26 pm

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Postby Juansonia » Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:11 am

Pennyslov wrote:Well It Is Now Taken By Me

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Postby The Finntopian Empire » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:43 am

Simone Republic wrote:If there is a viable replacement to get rid of the issue of cannibalism (with reference to IA's resolution on human meat), I am in support.

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Postby El Lazaro » Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:02 am

The repeal is solid, but I’d like to see a replacement that would allow for common sense restrictions on violent/coercive groups. Granting freedom of assembly to these groups would basically be a religious exemption to inchoate crimes.

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Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:38 pm

"The mission has elected to redraft this to focus on the restrictive nature of Section 3. Once again, certain ambassadors who claim that we are drafting this just to allow the cracking down on false religions are PLAIN WRONG. We maintain that there is no ulterior motive for this draft."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Coletti,
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The Empire of The Ice States


Ooc: I will only be submitting this once there is already a replacement drafted.

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Postby Comfed » Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:06 pm

I am still not convinced by this draft.
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Postby Heavens Reach » Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:44 pm

As we see that there is plan to draft a replacement, we'll decide our position on the basis of how good the replacement is (as opposed to outright opposing this repeal on the basis that it has no ready replacement)
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Postby The Orwell Society » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:07 pm

No opposition in principle. Support.
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Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:11 am

"We are now in the process of publicly drafting a replacement. Feedback remains appreciated."

~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Coletti,
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Magecastle Embassy Building A5 wrote:"We are now in the process of publicly drafting a replacement. Feedback remains appreciated."

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Support now that there is a replacement draft in progress.
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Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:22 pm

Bump.
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