by Forever Indomitable » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:15 pm
by Orlesian States » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:19 pm
Latest Reports from Ministry of Information - The Commonwealth is "Coming back from a break." -Says Francois S. D'Chautee; In battling Caligula's Legion, The Commonwealth is sending additional supplies and aid to the NSAR; Orlesian Embassy construction temporarily halted; OSIF has reported a known 'black hole' within the borders of the known system;
by Sordhau » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:41 pm
by Forever Indomitable » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:12 pm
Orlesian States wrote:I'm not here to give my opinion on such matters, as well, I'm apolitical, but instead of the bloggy title, maybe you should name it "Do you vote? If not, why?" and have like a poll or something to give a little bit of interactivity with the post. I'm no 'post-master' but I think it would be a nice change, have a great day.
(Oh, cool flag too.)
Sordhau wrote:I have literally no one to vote for. None of the candidates want to do what I want them to do, and even if they did they'd just end up getting the Allende treatment. Pursuing Socialism through the electoral system of a Liberal Democracy is about as effective as peacefully protesting against a Fascist regime. You end up eating a bullet either way.
by Terminus Station » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:22 pm
Forever Indomitable wrote:I was just wondering if there's anyone else who doesn't vote for whatever reason in their respective country.
In the US, there's this expression that gets thrown around: "Our democracy" and usually in the context of "X, Y or Z is a threat to our democracy". The thing is, though, if you're a cognitive minority in this country (or maybe in your country, too), you don't really get a say in how you're controlled. There's a "their" democracy for the privileged majorities, but in the idea of the marginalized having a voice, it doesn't exist. If you don't belong to 1 of the 2 parties that get everything here, you may as well cast your vote directly into the trash, because that's exactly what it's worth. And as far as trying to quantify which candidate or platform is marginally worse, I'd rather just abstain from "voting". Because being forced to choose who you'd rather get raped by is a fucking slap in the face and I'd rather just cross my arms than add insult to injury by wasting my time to go make the empty gesture of voting for someone that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.....but that's what it is to live in a society that values tyranny by majority as some kind of universal good.
So, that's why I don't vote. What about you?
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by Terminus Station » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:23 pm
Nilokeras wrote:'cognitive minority' is certainly a revealing term to describe yourself with
"What happens to a Communist when he/she is given the most work "according to their ability" but are given nothing in return "according to their needs?"
Being Trans is ok, gender isn't assigned.
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by Republic Of Ludwigsburg » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:26 pm
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by Mtwara » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:27 pm
by Forever Indomitable » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:36 pm
Terminus Station wrote:Forever Indomitable wrote:I was just wondering if there's anyone else who doesn't vote for whatever reason in their respective country.
In the US, there's this expression that gets thrown around: "Our democracy" and usually in the context of "X, Y or Z is a threat to our democracy". The thing is, though, if you're a cognitive minority in this country (or maybe in your country, too), you don't really get a say in how you're controlled. There's a "their" democracy for the privileged majorities, but in the idea of the marginalized having a voice, it doesn't exist. If you don't belong to 1 of the 2 parties that get everything here, you may as well cast your vote directly into the trash, because that's exactly what it's worth. And as far as trying to quantify which candidate or platform is marginally worse, I'd rather just abstain from "voting". Because being forced to choose who you'd rather get raped by is a fucking slap in the face and I'd rather just cross my arms than add insult to injury by wasting my time to go make the empty gesture of voting for someone that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.....but that's what it is to live in a society that values tyranny by majority as some kind of universal good.
So, that's why I don't vote. What about you?
This is one of those privileged idiotic 1st world problems democratic countries have from time to time. You all think your 1 vote doesnt matter but you're more than willing to fight in a civil war to get what you want. You know whats a way to get what you want thats fair and doesnt necessitate violence? Voting in a democratic election.
Your 1 vote may mean very little but every other alternative is considerably worth even less. Remember that.
by Terminus Station » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:50 pm
Forever Indomitable wrote:Terminus Station wrote:This is one of those privileged idiotic 1st world problems democratic countries have from time to time. You all think your 1 vote doesnt matter but you're more than willing to fight in a civil war to get what you want. You know whats a way to get what you want thats fair and doesnt necessitate violence? Voting in a democratic election.
Your 1 vote may mean very little but every other alternative is considerably worth even less. Remember that.
I have no idea what you're talking about with civil war and I'm not advocating violence. What side would I even be on? I don't like either of them; that's the point. I and however many others aren't privileged enough to even have a side. I'm not going to be grateful for "it could be worse" because I'm already discontent enough and I don't get jack shit from voting, you do. You're in the majority. It's only fair for you and that's why you don't understand what it's like to be under everyone else's foot.
"What happens to a Communist when he/she is given the most work "according to their ability" but are given nothing in return "according to their needs?"
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by American Legionaries » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:02 am
Terminus Station wrote:Forever Indomitable wrote:I was just wondering if there's anyone else who doesn't vote for whatever reason in their respective country.
In the US, there's this expression that gets thrown around: "Our democracy" and usually in the context of "X, Y or Z is a threat to our democracy". The thing is, though, if you're a cognitive minority in this country (or maybe in your country, too), you don't really get a say in how you're controlled. There's a "their" democracy for the privileged majorities, but in the idea of the marginalized having a voice, it doesn't exist. If you don't belong to 1 of the 2 parties that get everything here, you may as well cast your vote directly into the trash, because that's exactly what it's worth. And as far as trying to quantify which candidate or platform is marginally worse, I'd rather just abstain from "voting". Because being forced to choose who you'd rather get raped by is a fucking slap in the face and I'd rather just cross my arms than add insult to injury by wasting my time to go make the empty gesture of voting for someone that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.....but that's what it is to live in a society that values tyranny by majority as some kind of universal good.
So, that's why I don't vote. What about you?
This is one of those privileged idiotic 1st world problems democratic countries have from time to time. You all think your 1 vote doesnt matter but you're more than willing to fight in a civil war to get what you want. You know whats a way to get what you want thats fair and doesnt necessitate violence? Voting in a democratic election.
Your 1 vote may mean very little but every other alternative is considerably worth even less. Remember that.
by Terminus Station » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:06 am
American Legionaries wrote:Terminus Station wrote:This is one of those privileged idiotic 1st world problems democratic countries have from time to time. You all think your 1 vote doesnt matter but you're more than willing to fight in a civil war to get what you want. You know whats a way to get what you want thats fair and doesnt necessitate violence? Voting in a democratic election.
Your 1 vote may mean very little but every other alternative is considerably worth even less. Remember that.
But voting doesn't get me what I want. Because I'm not part of the majority party.
"What happens to a Communist when he/she is given the most work "according to their ability" but are given nothing in return "according to their needs?"
Being Trans is ok, gender isn't assigned.
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by American Legionaries » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:07 am
Terminus Station wrote:American Legionaries wrote:
But voting doesn't get me what I want. Because I'm not part of the majority party.
You can whine or you can vote, either way you've cast your ballot, but only one of those two options counts. Cast a useless vote or have an even more useless opinion, your choice. And I do mean useless vote, your vote is absolutely useless, what Im saying though is your opinion without voting is worth even less.
by Cybus1 » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:09 am
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by Chan Island » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:13 am
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Terminus Station » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:14 am
American Legionaries wrote:Terminus Station wrote:
You can whine or you can vote, either way you've cast your ballot, but only one of those two options counts. Cast a useless vote or have an even more useless opinion, your choice. And I do mean useless vote, your vote is absolutely useless, what Im saying though is your opinion without voting is worth even less.
Nonsense, I am capable of doing things far more effectual than voting, motivated by that opinion.
Chan Island wrote:This is a tragic post. Not only are you a victim of the first past the post electoral system (most democracies use WAY better methods to elect leaders), but you've also been convinced that that one vote is the sum total of democracy. When nothing could be further from the truth. Democracy absolutely entails elections, but it's also about the individual rights that are afforded to you by default as a citizen of the democracy- rights like free speech, free assembly, free thought.
It's "our" democracy because you (as well as everyone else) are a citizen with those enumerated rights as well as the right to vote in elections. If voting isn't helping you, then you are free to pursue those other avenues for forcing change. Join a pressure group. Or join a political party that does support what you want and put in the legwork and hard hours that it takes to get someone elected. And if none exist, start your own, it's easier than you'd think. Or get involved in media and fight the war of words on the electronic waves. Go on protests- even if just by yourself.
Or continue to end the story with not voting. I'm sure the "cognitive majority" will be delighted to define the "universal good" without you. That's a part of democracy too- if you want something, you need to convince people to support your ideas in order to get it. This is the business of power, not a handholding nursery. Lots of people are happy to do it for you if you don't want to participate.
"What happens to a Communist when he/she is given the most work "according to their ability" but are given nothing in return "according to their needs?"
Being Trans is ok, gender isn't assigned.
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by Samrif » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:16 am
by American Legionaries » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:18 am
by Nevertopia » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:29 am
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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by Allinburg » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:30 am
Samrif wrote:I think you all are missing the point of democracy. Democracy doesn't end at voting during the elections. For democracy to work you require freedom of speech and freedom to protest. These two rights are fundamental in a democracy and by applying these two rights if a majority of the population call for change and go out into the streets, some level of change is bound to occur. Either the party in power cleans up their act and does what the people want it to do or risk losing the next elections OR another party takes advantage and fulfils the demand of the people, thus getting voted into power. But yes you are right in a way - democracy largely doesn't care for the individual. It is only when a large number of people group together and protest for change does real change take place.
by American Legionaries » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:32 am
Nevertopia wrote:American Legionaries wrote:
For the time being, yes.
Voting will always beat not voting, thats how democracy works. If you're not participating in the system no matter how insignificant you are, you're giving yourself even less of a voice than if you became politically activated and applied yourself to the democratic process by advocating your views and convincing others to vote likewise. Thats how this works, you speak, you rally, you vote and through the mediums of free speech and protest, a free society is able to negotiate with itself in what it believes is best for the group. Its not about how useless your vote is, its participating in that negotiation and seeing how receptive the rest of society is to your views. Maybe the reason your vote is useless is because you voted for the wrong thing? Thats also a possibility, and thats part of the process. Useless things get discarded for better ideas. If your beliefs are worth merit then your vote isnt useless and holds true with the rest of the population.
by Cybus1 » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:32 am
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by Cybus1 » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:36 am
American Legionaries wrote:Nevertopia wrote:
Voting will always beat not voting, thats how democracy works. If you're not participating in the system no matter how insignificant you are, you're giving yourself even less of a voice than if you became politically activated and applied yourself to the democratic process by advocating your views and convincing others to vote likewise. Thats how this works, you speak, you rally, you vote and through the mediums of free speech and protest, a free society is able to negotiate with itself in what it believes is best for the group. Its not about how useless your vote is, its participating in that negotiation and seeing how receptive the rest of society is to your views. Maybe the reason your vote is useless is because you voted for the wrong thing? Thats also a possibility, and thats part of the process. Useless things get discarded for better ideas. If your beliefs are worth merit then your vote isnt useless and holds true with the rest of the population.
Yes, that is how democracy works. But why work within a system that ensures I have no expectation of success, when I can instead undermine that system and hopefully cause it's collapse?
I don't use NS stats, please refer to the factbooks. Terms to use: Cybus, Cybusian, The Infinite Cybusian Empire. Feel free to TG with suggestions, comments, feedback, questions, etc, especially about factbooks.Regal and powerful; they carry an air about them that is inherently oppressive, the air of a trillion years of ancestry. -Kaedijork.
Great Gatsby, featuring some shape-shifting ability and more sci-fi elements. - Zitravgrad
Our Military
New Q&A!News: / Sons of Mercer raid on foreign Human colony results in over 10,500 deaths or Consumptions in only two hours; dropships flee through Jaunt portal, escape. Imperial govt offers to assist investigation.
by Nevertopia » Mon Sep 19, 2022 12:36 am
American Legionaries wrote:Nevertopia wrote:
Voting will always beat not voting, thats how democracy works. If you're not participating in the system no matter how insignificant you are, you're giving yourself even less of a voice than if you became politically activated and applied yourself to the democratic process by advocating your views and convincing others to vote likewise. Thats how this works, you speak, you rally, you vote and through the mediums of free speech and protest, a free society is able to negotiate with itself in what it believes is best for the group. Its not about how useless your vote is, its participating in that negotiation and seeing how receptive the rest of society is to your views. Maybe the reason your vote is useless is because you voted for the wrong thing? Thats also a possibility, and thats part of the process. Useless things get discarded for better ideas. If your beliefs are worth merit then your vote isnt useless and holds true with the rest of the population.
Yes, that is how democracy works. But why work within a system that ensures I have no expectation of success, when I can instead undermine that system and hopefully cause it's collapse?
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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