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American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:47 am

School prayer is actually a great idea, provided accomodations are made for other religions and athiests can be excused and maybe some schools can opt out.
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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Postby Mossadeghist Iran » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am

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Catholic America wrote:Rockerfeller Republicanism is deader than neoconservatism


I know. Reagan killed it.
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True. Nelson Rockefeller wasn't perfect, but he was saner than any modern Republican.


Nobody is. But he’s a breath of fresh air compared to the modern day candidates


Pretty sad for a party that their best choice is a long-dead Vice-President that didn't even get re-nominated.
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Catholic America wrote:Rockerfeller Republicanism is deader than neoconservatism


True. Nelson Rockefeller wasn't perfect, but he was saner than any modern Republican.

saner than trumpists.
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am

Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea, provided accomodations are made for other religions and athiests can be excused and maybe some schools can opt out.

school prayer is dumb because religion and school should never be intertwined
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am

Hispida wrote:
Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
True. Nelson Rockefeller wasn't perfect, but he was saner than any modern Republican.

fuck it he was saner than any modern politician

i dislike him a lot but i would rather take rockefeller over literally anybody in the modern political scene outside of like maybe AOC but even then i don't like AOC that much either


Same.
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Postby Sordhau » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:48 am

Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea,


No.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:49 am

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
I know. Reagan killed it.

Nobody is. But he’s a breath of fresh air compared to the modern day candidates


Pretty sad for a party that their best choice is a long-dead Vice-President that didn't even get re-nominated.


It is.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:49 am

Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea, provided accomodations are made for other religions and athiests can be excused and maybe some schools can opt out.

Instituting a public paeaning of the national godperson? Isn't that establishing a religion?
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:50 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea, provided accomodations are made for other religions and athiests can be excused and maybe some schools can opt out.

Instituting a public paeaning of the national godperson? Isn't that establishing a religion?


I am against seperation of church and state. Vatican city has less shootings than america. They are obviously doing something right.
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:51 am

Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea, provided accomodations are made for other religions and athiests can be excused and maybe some schools can opt out.


Or we can get religion out of schools in general.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:51 am

Catholic America wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Instituting a public paeaning of the national godperson? Isn't that establishing a religion?


I am against seperation of church and state. Vatican city has less shootings than america. They are obviously doing something right.

Vatican City also has less than 2000 permanent residents. 90% of which couldn't lift a gun above their waist.
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:51 am

Catholic America wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Instituting a public paeaning of the national godperson? Isn't that establishing a religion?


I am against seperation of church and state. Vatican city has less shootings than america. They are obviously doing something right.

pfffffffft hahahaha
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:52 am

Catholic America wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Instituting a public paeaning of the national godperson? Isn't that establishing a religion?


I am against seperation of church and state. Vatican city has less shootings than america. They are obviously doing something right.


A state with a total population of less than 500 people and the only guns are in the hands of the military?
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:52 am

Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea, provided accomodations are made for other religions and athiests can be excused and maybe some schools can opt out.


You claim it is a great idea but don't say why you believe that.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:53 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea, provided accomodations are made for other religions and athiests can be excused and maybe some schools can opt out.


You claim it is a great idea but don't say why you believe that.

Because everybody gets to paean his godperson, whether or not they want or not.
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:54 am

Sordhau wrote:
Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea,


No.

Yes. A deeper spiritual connection with a higher being is a good thing. Especially for children. Im not even saying you have to be Christian, or even participate, but it should be encouraged. Lets be honest. If we gave the kids who dont want to participate iPads during school prayer, and they wont complain
Talking about how democracy is at risk is the new won’t someone think of the children.

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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:54 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea, provided accomodations are made for other religions and athiests can be excused and maybe some schools can opt out.


You claim it is a great idea but don't say why you believe that.

see my above post.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:55 am

Catholic America wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
No.

Yes. A deeper spiritual connection with a higher being is a good thing. Especially for children. Im not even saying you have to be Christian, or even participate, but it should be encouraged. Lets be honest. If we gave the kids who dont want to participate iPads during school prayer, and they wont complain

There should be no compulsion or pressure to join any religion.
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:57 am

Galloism wrote:
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In this case the people screaming no can relax a little bit.

I think I lean more towards the dissent because of money, ironically enough (something the dissent brought out). He was being paid by the state when he prayed by himself publicly - it wasn't on a break or a period where he wasn't being paid, and thus he could be reasonably be seen as still being a representative of the state while praying.

But... admittedly, that's hard to square with the notion that Congress still opens with prayer (IIRC). But I also don't like that.


Most school staff are paid through lunch breaks anyhow, as was pointed out in the ruling he made his prayers during a period when staff were permitted to engage in personal business.

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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:58 am

Vassenor wrote:
Catholic America wrote:School prayer is actually a great idea, provided accomodations are made for other religions and athiests can be excused and maybe some schools can opt out.


Or we can get religion out of schools in general.


No. Religion is benifical to a humans mental health and gives life a deeper purpose and meaning and gives people a sense of belonging and community. Its even better for kids, cause they will be part of a church community on top of school and home, which will lead to better social skills.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:59 am

Catholic America wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Or we can get religion out of schools in general.


No. Religion is benifical to a humans mental health and gives life a deeper purpose and meaning and gives people a sense of belonging and community. Its even better for kids, cause they will be part of a church community on top of school and home, which will lead to better social skills.

So can I bus American schools to Shinto shrines on sundays?
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Postby Sordhau » Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:59 am

Catholic America wrote:
Sordhau wrote:
No.

Yes. A deeper spiritual connection with a higher being is a good thing. Especially for children. Im not even saying you have to be Christian, or even participate, but it should be encouraged. Lets be honest. If we gave the kids who dont want to participate iPads during school prayer, and they wont complain


A deeper spiritual connection with a higher being is a good thing.

But mandating prayer in schools is not doing that; it's forcing children to do things they may not want to do.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:00 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Catholic America wrote:
No. Religion is benifical to a humans mental health and gives life a deeper purpose and meaning and gives people a sense of belonging and community. Its even better for kids, cause they will be part of a church community on top of school and home, which will lead to better social skills.

So can I bus American schools to Shinto shrines on sundays?


That'd be awesome tbh. Return to polytheism.
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Postby Catholic America » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:00 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Catholic America wrote:Yes. A deeper spiritual connection with a higher being is a good thing. Especially for children. Im not even saying you have to be Christian, or even participate, but it should be encouraged. Lets be honest. If we gave the kids who dont want to participate iPads during school prayer, and they wont complain

There should be no compulsion or pressure to join any religion.

I disagree, but respect your viewpoint and reasoning. some people have legitimate reasons to distrust or be upset with organized religion.
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Postby Sordhau » Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:00 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So can I bus American schools to Shinto shrines on sundays?


That'd be awesome tbh. Return to polytheism.


Ew no polytheism is super cringe.
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