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Adamede
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Postby Adamede » Tue May 17, 2022 2:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:election day in NC but I'm not bothering to vote because I can only vote in three primaries if I choose a Dem ballot. U.S. Senate, which Cheri Beasley is basically running uncontested in the primary because all her serious challengers dropped out early on. County sheriff, both Dem candidates in the primary for this position in my county are shit. Finally, city school board but all the candidates are shit lmao


Yes I don't like whose running so I won't vote that will show them. The candidates don't care you didn't vote. its such a cop out answer to say everyone sucks so I won't vote. Don't complain about what people do in office then.

If someone is completely unopposed you'd have a point.

So I guess no one can ever complain abut the weather.

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Postby Kannap » Tue May 17, 2022 2:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:election day in NC but I'm not bothering to vote because I can only vote in three primaries if I choose a Dem ballot. U.S. Senate, which Cheri Beasley is basically running uncontested in the primary because all her serious challengers dropped out early on. County sheriff, both Dem candidates in the primary for this position in my county are shit. Finally, city school board but all the candidates are shit lmao


Yes I don't like whose running so I won't vote that will show them. The candidates don't care you didn't vote. its such a cop out answer to say everyone sucks so I won't vote. Don't complain about what people do in office then.

If someone is completely unopposed you'd have a point.


Also your long-standing "don't complain about what happens if you don't vote" has two counter-arguments that instantly came into my head:

1. Felons, in most states, aren't allowed to vote. Are they not permitted to complain about the actions that legislatures take that effect them because they didn't vote?

2. Guess we can expect you won't be complaining about people like Sinema or Manchin anymore for holding up the Democrat's plans in the Senate, considering you didn't vote in the elections they ran in.
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Postby Forsher » Tue May 17, 2022 2:44 pm

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Oh wow, that is quite a big difference. Well, losing 150 lbs would be a big difference but Christ, you can definitely tell. Believe it or not, he's only 1-2 inches taller than my cousin so I have an idea how big he is in person even though I've never met Fetterman in person.


I am 6'9". Well, 207cm, which is more like 6'10" in shoes.
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Postby Nova Catania » Tue May 17, 2022 2:54 pm

Kannap wrote:election day in NC but I'm not bothering to vote because I can only vote in three primaries if I choose a Dem ballot. U.S. Senate, which Cheri Beasley is basically running uncontested in the primary because all her serious challengers dropped out early on. County sheriff, both Dem candidates in the primary for this position in my county are shit. Finally, city school board but all the candidates are shit lmao

Fellow North Carolinian! The race I hear most about is the Senate one. I’m not sure who leads the polls, though. I don’t like any of them, and I can’t vote yet, so don’t go by me.

That Cawthorn guy creeps me out though. I’m pretty sure I saw a news article about him bragging about visiting Hitler’s vacation house.

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Hey man! We may need them to find another place to live!

I think the prevailing strategy is: “We gotta burn the rain forest, dump toxic waste, pollute the air, and rip up the OZONE! 'Cause maybe if we screw up this planet enough, they won't want it anymore!"

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Tue May 17, 2022 2:57 pm

Nova Catania wrote:
Kannap wrote:election day in NC but I'm not bothering to vote because I can only vote in three primaries if I choose a Dem ballot. U.S. Senate, which Cheri Beasley is basically running uncontested in the primary because all her serious challengers dropped out early on. County sheriff, both Dem candidates in the primary for this position in my county are shit. Finally, city school board but all the candidates are shit lmao

Fellow North Carolinian! The race I hear most about is the Senate one. I’m not sure who leads the polls, though. I don’t like any of them, and I can’t vote yet, so don’t go by me.

That Cawthorn guy creeps me out though. I’m pretty sure I saw a news article about him bragging about visiting Hitler’s vacation house.

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Hey man! We may need them to find another place to live!

I think the prevailing strategy is: “We gotta burn the rain forest, dump toxic waste, pollute the air, and rip up the OZONE! 'Cause maybe if we screw up this planet enough, they won't want it anymore!"


He probably needs an exorcism after that.

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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 17, 2022 3:00 pm

Polls are now closed in EDT Kentucky.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 17, 2022 3:03 pm

So, what do y'all think of the Arkansas elections?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 17, 2022 3:08 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:So, what do y'all think of the Arkansas elections?


Well, I'll give my full view later on...but there's not much to say really. Huckabee Sanders will take both bids and that's more or less the main point.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 17, 2022 3:12 pm

Shrillland wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:So, what do y'all think of the Arkansas elections?


Well, I'll give my full view later on...but there's not much to say really. Huckabee Sanders will take both bids and that's more or less the main point.

She does seem to be doing very well. I personally aren't too excited about any of the candidates, I'd prefer for Asa Hutchinson to stay. He was doing a great job from what I could tell.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 17, 2022 3:18 pm

And now for tonight's first call since the district is entirely in EDT:

GOP KY-5(Coalfields): Hal Rogers
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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 17, 2022 3:40 pm

A couple more calls:

GOP KY-4(Covington): Thomas Massie
GOP KY-6(Lexington): Andy Barr
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Postby Deblar » Tue May 17, 2022 4:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:election day in NC but I'm not bothering to vote because I can only vote in three primaries if I choose a Dem ballot. U.S. Senate, which Cheri Beasley is basically running uncontested in the primary because all her serious challengers dropped out early on. County sheriff, both Dem candidates in the primary for this position in my county are shit. Finally, city school board but all the candidates are shit lmao


Yes I don't like whose running so I won't vote that will show them. The candidates don't care you didn't vote. its such a cop out answer to say everyone sucks so I won't vote. Don't complain about what people do in office then.

If someone is completely unopposed you'd have a point.

*sigh* Here we go again....

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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 17, 2022 4:17 pm

Two more projections

Kentucky Senate GOP: Rand Paul

Kentucky Senate Democrat: Charles Booker

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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 17, 2022 4:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:Two more projections

Kentucky Senate GOP: Rand Paul

Kentucky Senate Democrat: Charles Booker


Cheers, mate. And a couple more:

GOP KY-2(Louisville-Bowling Green-Owensboro): Brett Guthrie
Dem KY-2(Louisville-Bowling Green-Owensboro): Hank Linderman
Dem KY-6(Lexington): Geoffrey Young
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 17, 2022 4:26 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ifreann wrote:World's ending, who gives a shit about ET?


Hey man! We may need them to find another place to live!

Hmmm, good point. Wonder what their refugee policy is...
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 17, 2022 4:29 pm

I kid you not in Kentucky’s 4th congressional a man named George Washington is ran in the Republican primary.
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Postby Kannap » Tue May 17, 2022 4:30 pm

Polls have closed in North Carolina
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Postby Adamede » Tue May 17, 2022 4:30 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hey man! We may need them to find another place to live!

Hmmm, good point. Wonder what their refugee policy is...

Ever see District 9? Like that but we're the Prawns.

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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 17, 2022 4:31 pm

Polls are now closed in North Carolina.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 17, 2022 4:44 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
Yes I don't like whose running so I won't vote that will show them. The candidates don't care you didn't vote. its such a cop out answer to say everyone sucks so I won't vote. Don't complain about what people do in office then.

If someone is completely unopposed you'd have a point.


Can you point to me where in the first amendment it says those rights only apply to people who've voted in any particular election.

Can you point to what part of government San Lumen is?
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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 17, 2022 4:47 pm

A few more calls:

Dem KY-3(Louisville Central): Morgan McGarvey
GOP NC-Senate: Ted Budd
Dem NC-Senate: Cheri Beasley
GOP NC-4(Durham): Courtney Geels
Dem NC-4(Durham): Valerie Foushee
GOP NC-10(Hickory-Statesville): Patrick McHenry
Dem NC-11(Asheville): Jasmine Beach-Ferrara
Dem NC-13(Raleigh South-Smithfield): Willy Nickel
GOP NC-14(Charlotte Central-Gastonia): Pat Harrigan
Dem NC-14(Charlotte Central-Gastonia): Jeff Jackson
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue May 17, 2022 4:59 pm

Shrillland wrote:A few more calls:

Dem KY-3(Louisville Central): Morgan McGarvey
GOP NC-Senate: Ted Budd
Dem NC-Senate: Cheri Beasley
GOP NC-4(Durham): Courtney Geels
Dem NC-4(Durham): Valerie Foushee
GOP NC-10(Hickory-Statesville): Patrick McHenry
Dem NC-11(Asheville): Jasmine Beach-Ferrara
Dem NC-13(Raleigh South-Smithfield): Willy Nickel
GOP NC-14(Charlotte Central-Gastonia): Pat Harrigan
Dem NC-14(Charlotte Central-Gastonia): Jeff Jackson


I see Budd is killing it: it's not even close. McCrory was an okay governor by NC standards and was well-liked by Republicans. I just guess they like Trump's guy better.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 17, 2022 5:04 pm

Polls are now closed in Pennsylvania. With that, a few more calls:

GOP NC-2(Raleigh North-Wake Forest): Christine Villaverde
GOP NC-3(Jacksonville-Outer Banks): Greg Murphy
Dem NC-3(Jacksonville-Outer Banks): Barbara Gaskins
GOP NC-5(Winston-Salem-Boone): Virginia Foxx
GOP NC-7(Fayetteville-Wilmington): David Rouzer
Dem NC-7(Fayetteville-Wilmington): Charles Evans
GOP NC-9(Fayetteville-Asheboro): Richard Hudson
Dem NC-10(Hickory-Statesboro): Pam Genant
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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 17, 2022 5:06 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Shrillland wrote:A few more calls:

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I see Budd is killing it: it's not even close. McCrory was an okay governor by NC standards and was well-liked by Republicans. I just guess they like Trump's guy better.


On the other hand, Cawthorn's not doing well in his primary, but everyone's still waiting on Asheville itself to report in.
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Postby Forsher » Tue May 17, 2022 5:11 pm

Kannap wrote:Polls have closed in North Carolina


Shrillland wrote:Polls are now closed in North Carolina.


*checks timestamps*

One of you is lying!

:)




Which reminds me... has anyone seen One of Us is Lying? Well, the relevant part is that you get people who'll try and tell you that urban sprawl is urban sprawl is urban sprawl (though, not this guy... I suggest watching the Not Just Bikes versions of Strong Towns because Strong Towns is not so good at making interesting videos unless you're really into the subject*). However, One of Us is Lying was filmed in two/three completely different countries (for Covid reasons) and you can tell. There is something, in other words, peculiarly (North?) American about American urban sprawl.

* That being said, they did a set of shorts recently which are a bit more digestible. And, of course, they do not approach the standards of the world's most boring Youtuber (whose politics I would say probably suits the tastes of NSG a bit more).
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