American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[Washington Resistance Army]

Then we give Rojava independence as the world’s only Democratic Confederalist state.

“What if we let some American forum bros redo Sykes-Picot” does not strike me as a particularly good plan for achieving peace in the Middle East but it dismays me greatly to say it’s also not actually the worst one I’ve heard over the years

Reject Sykes-Picot, return to the UAR.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Then we give Rojava independence as the world’s only Democratic Confederalist state.

“What if we let some American forum bros redo Sykes-Picot” does not strike me as a particularly good plan for achieving peace in the Middle East but it dismays me greatly to say it’s also not actually the worst one I’ve heard over the years

The Sykes-Picot Agreement and it’s consequences have been a disaster for the people of the Middle East

“What if we let some American forum bros redo Sykes-Picot” does not strike me as a particularly good plan for achieving peace in the Middle East but it dismays me greatly to say it’s also not actually the worst one I’ve heard over the years

Reject Sykes-Picot, return to the UAR.

Reject the UAR return to the Hashemite Kingdom of Hejaz.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Why bother at all when Mossad basically runs the Iranian country anyway?
I mean

Yes, the Iranian guy in charge of getting rid of Mossad was himself a Mossad asset

But why? Don’t the MPs regularly wish for Israel’s destruction?

They're not the ones doing the real harm, nuclear scientists on the other hand...

[The Jamesian Republic]

But why? Don’t the MPs regularly wish for Israel’s destruction?

They're not the ones doing the real harm, nuclear scientists on the other hand...

Yeah…

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

They're not the ones doing the real harm, nuclear scientists on the other hand...

Yeah…

They got rid of the last one by murdering him in his armoured car with bodyguards with a killbot... in broad daylight. Using an IRGC officer to orchestrate it all.
Yeah Iran has bigger Israeli problems than America problems right now.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Yeah…

They got rid of the last one by murdering him in his armoured car with bodyguards with a killbot... in broad daylight.
Yeah Iran has bigger Israeli problems than America right now.

Jesus…

[Senkaku]

But why? Don’t the MPs regularly wish for Israel’s destruction?

They're not the ones doing the real harm, nuclear scientists on the other hand...

Yeah God forbid they should want to get a proper deterrent with hundreds of Israeli and American nukes constantly trained on their major cities and military bases lol, it’s the dastardly scientists who clearly must be antisemitic monsters doing “real harm” in this situation

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

They're not the ones doing the real harm, nuclear scientists on the other hand...

Yeah God forbid they should want to get a proper deterrent with hundreds of Israeli and American nukes constantly trained on their major cities and military bases lol

Whatever western forum browsers think, for Israel a nuclear Iran is a thought on par with the coming of Holocaust Mk. 2. And nothing you or I post here will ever change that.

[Adamede]

Then we give Rojava independence as the world’s only Democratic Confederalist state.

“What if we let some American forum bros redo Sykes-Picot” does not strike me as a particularly good plan for achieving peace in the Middle East but it dismays me greatly to say it’s also not actually the worst one I’ve heard over the years

I think the main kink in the plan is the "peace in the Middle East" aspect.

We're long past that point.

[Senkaku]

Yeah God forbid they should want to get a proper deterrent with hundreds of Israeli and American nukes constantly trained on their major cities and military bases lol

Whatever western forum browsers think, for Israel a nuclear Iran is a thought on par with the coming of Holocaust Mk. 2. And nothing you or I post here will ever change that.

“For Israel”
Doesn’t mean I have to treat Israeli fearmongering and paranoia as analytically sound in any way

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Whatever western forum browsers think, for Israel a nuclear Iran is a thought on par with the coming of Holocaust Mk. 2. And nothing you or I post here will ever change that.

“For Israel”
Doesn’t mean I have to treat Israeli fearmongering and paranoia as analytically sound in any way

It's about as paranoid... probs less even than the Iranian idea (understandable as it is) that every last scientist going to Iran is a Mossad agent that needs to be tortured and put to death through a fliegendes Standgericht.

[Senkaku]

“For Israel”
Doesn’t mean I have to treat Israeli fearmongering and paranoia as analytically sound in any way

It's about as paranoid... probs less even than the Iranian idea that every last scientist going to Iran is a Mossad agent that needs to be tortured and put to death through a kangaroo court.

Thinking it’s reasonable for them to want to pursue a nuclear deterrent under the circumstances does not mean I don’t think the Iranian government isn’t also completely deranged lol don’t worry

[Shrillland]

Pennsylvania Lt. Gov and Democratic Senate frontrunner John Fetterman suffered small stroke Friday, expected to make full recovery

[Reploid Productions]

WHEN YOU MOTHERFUCKERS KEEP DRIVING NAILS INTO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY JUST SO YOU CAN MISRULE???

THE FUCK??????

You have a very bad habit of taking posts that would otherwise have been within the rules and sending them careening right over the line with the cursing and raging at those who have the apparent audacity not to agree with your positions. This is another great example of that. And considering you're already three deletions in and just had a month off back in January where we were rather seriously discussing your future on this site, back into the icebox you go.

*** Moscareinas, 1-month ban for flaming/trolling. ***

[Reploid Productions]

fuck off.

Knock it off with that. The rest of your post was 100% fine until you threw this flame in here.

[American Legionaries]

“For Israel”
Doesn’t mean I have to treat Israeli fearmongering and paranoia as analytically sound in any way

It's about as paranoid... probs less even than the Iranian idea (understandable as it is) that every last scientist going to Iran is a Mossad agent that needs to be tortured and put to death through a fliegendes Standgericht.

I have no idea what the article says, but the paranoia of the Iranians and Israelis both do not in any way make Iran's desire for atomic weapons wrong or unreasonable.

[Shrillland]

It's about as paranoid... probs less even than the Iranian idea (understandable as it is) that every last scientist going to Iran is a Mossad agent that needs to be tortured and put to death through a fliegendes Standgericht.

I have no idea what the article says, but the paranoia of the Iranians and Israelis both do not in any way make Iran's desire for atomic weapons wrong or unreasonable.

Basically, the story's about a Swedish-Iranian scientist about to be executed for espionage even though it's not clear he actually did anything.

[Forsher]

Iran's desire for atomic weapons wrong or unreasonable.

A theme I've been seeing in thinkpiece is that a lot of countries are looking at Russia, China, the US and Israel and thinking "the only possible way we'll be safe is if we have nuclear weapons".

[American Legionaries]

Iran's desire for atomic weapons wrong or unreasonable.

A theme I've been seeing lately is that a lot of countries are looking at Russia, China, the US and Israel and thinking "the only possible way we'll be safe is if we have nuclear weapons".

That's been the theme for decades, and it isn't incorrect. The only way to effectively defend one's self from a nuclear state, is to also be a nuclear state, full stop.

[Forsher]

A theme I've been seeing lately is that a lot of countries are looking at Russia, China, the US and Israel and thinking "the only possible way we'll be safe is if we have nuclear weapons".

That's been the theme for decades, and it isn't incorrect. The only way to effectively defend one's self from a nuclear state, is to also be a nuclear state, full stop.

The last thirty years happened to other people, I guess. That is very much a 1950-90 line of thought; even if some countries wanted nuclear weapons, it wasn't a mainstream idea to say they are right to believe that.

[Shrillland]

That's been the theme for decades, and it isn't incorrect. The only way to effectively defend one's self from a nuclear state, is to also be a nuclear state, full stop.

The last thirty years happened to other people, I guess. That is very much a 1950-90 line of thought; even if some countries wanted nuclear weapons, it wasn't a mainstream idea to say they are right to believe that.

Yeah, but that way of thinking is coming back, partially because the war in Ukraine has shown that Putin's Russia would've easily been swept aside long ago without their nukes and partially because China's starting to become more aggressive in the Pacific, not to mention our own constant antics in foreign affairs.

[American Legionaries]

That's been the theme for decades, and it isn't incorrect. The only way to effectively defend one's self from a nuclear state, is to also be a nuclear state, full stop.

The last thirty years happened to other people, I guess. That is very much a 1950-90 line of thought; even if some countries wanted nuclear weapons, it wasn't a mainstream idea to say they are right to believe that.

That nuclear arms are the only way to effectively counter nuclear arms has been self evident since the invention of those nuclear arms. This is the very reason every single country besides the United States which has worked to acquire nuclear weapons, has worked to acquire nuclear weapons.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/news/house/3488109- ... -contempt/

Subpoenaed GOP lawmakers face risk of criminal contempt

[Adamede]

Iran's desire for atomic weapons wrong or unreasonable.

A theme I've been seeing in thinkpiece is that a lot of countries are looking at Russia, China, the US and Israel and thinking "the only possible way we'll be safe is if we have nuclear weapons".

Yah and they're correct in that assessment.

[Eahland]

He's the one who gave the order. Another president might not have. You're splitting hairs here, but ultimately Trump is the one responsible for it happening.

Did Trump give the order? Supposedly Obama personally approved all the drone assassinations that happened on his watch, but I find it hard to believe that Trump would not have just delegated that task to someone else in favour of spending his time on Twitter. Now, I would agree that Trump bears responsibility for the killings he gave the officers and agents under his command the authority to carry out. But it's not like he was planning missions or anything.

I believe they legally have to have Presidential authorization for things like that. The President's not actually doing any of the planning or anything, he's just signing off on something planned by the TLAs and military.

Apparently they'd been in the habit of bringing the President three different options: a weak one, the one they actually wanted, and a completely insane bloodthirsty plan, so the President would sign off on the one they wanted and feel good about holding them back from the completely insane bloodthirsty one. But they pretty quickly discovered that this didn't work with Trump, because he would pick the most insane bloodthirsty option available every time. That may have been how the Soleimani operation got approved.