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American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

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Who do you think will win the NY GOP Gubernatorial Primary?

Lee Zeldin
24
62%
Andy Giuliani
10
26%
Rob Asotrino
2
5%
Harry Wilson
3
8%
 
Total votes : 39

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American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

Postby Shrillland » Thu May 12, 2022 10:06 am

Thread title courtesy of The Jamesian Republic.

Primary season is now in full swing, Dr. Oz is ever closer to Congress, Democracy is still hanging by a thread, and Abortion still looks like it'll be a state matter...along with a bunch of other things. Inflation's still through the roof, and NS Summer is dawning already. This is the thread to see all of that and more as we discuss, debate, and ignore each other just like in real life.

You know the rules by now, and if you're new, remember to play nice and not get yourself modded.

Plebiscite Plaza 2022:

Our first Amendment comes on May 24. This would amend the state constitution to issue $85 million in bonds to improve, renovate, and otherwise maintain all state parks($80 million) and state historical monuments and sites($5 million). All of them, that is, except for the Confederate Memorital Park in Marbury, which was specifically excepted for obvious reasons. APPROVED

All Alabama's other amendments come in November. The first would remove Orphans' Business from the purview of county probate courts. Since Orphans' Business refers to county orphanages(which don't exist anymore), it's a likely pass.

Number two is also referred to as "Aniah's Law" after Aniah Blanchard, who was killed in 2019 by someone who was out on bail despite being indicted for kidnapping, robbery, and attempted murder. Alabama doesn't currently allow remanding suspects without bail, but this amendment would change that, allowing it at a Judge's discretion for most violent crimes such as murder, rape, terrorism, etc.

Number three would require any legislation that changes the conduct of a general election to be fully implemented at least six months before that election takes place.

Number four would allow certain cities that were already authorised to levy a property tax to pay for capital improvement bonds to use revenue from that tax to pay for such improvements directly without bonds.

Numbers five and six involve the recompiled state constitution. Number five would ask the voters whether or not to ratify the recompiled state constitution as was required in 2020. It consolidates economic development provisions, arranges county amendments by county in alphabetical order, and removes racist language among other things. If number five passes, number six would authorise the state Code Commissioner to do the actual recompiling of articles and amendments to the constitution.

Number seven would allow the state or local governments to grant federal award funds or state funds marked for broadband internet infrastructure to public or private entities that plan to expand, provide, or introduce broadband. Any local government doing this would have to have the measure approved by the town or county in question.

Number eight would make some changes to the 772nd Amendment(that's not a typo) to the State Constitution, passed in 2004. The Amendment gives counties and municipalities the right to purchase, lend, or lease property for economic and industrial development and to transfer that property to private companies and it says that bonds may be issued for that purpose. It makes two significant changes, first allowing some of these bonds to be approved without a public vote(which is a constitutional requirement for most other bonds under Section 222 of the Constitution)unless they include tax increases, and changing publication requirements to a newspaper in the city or county rather than the newspaper with the largest circulation.

Number nine would require the Governor to notify the Attorney General and the families of any victims before commuting the death sentence of a convicted felon.

Alaska will be voting on whether or not to have a Constitutional Convention as they must every 10 years.

Measure number one would modify 2006's Prop 300, which barred all non-citizens from certain state benefits. This would amend that to allow non-citizens to receive in-state tuition at colleges and universities if they graduated from an Arizona school that they had attended for at least two years.

Measure number two would amend the constitution to allow the legislature to repeal or amend any ballot measures or provisions of measures that have been found to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS or the Arizona State Supreme Court.

Measure number three would constitutionally impose a single-subject rule on all citizen-initiated ballot measures.

Measure number four would stiffen voter ID requirements. First, a date of birth and voter's identification number would be required alongside a signature for future mail-in ballots, and ballots can be rejected if they don't match existing records. Second, a current two-document exemption to those without photo ID would be repealed, thus requiring photo ID as the only acceptable voter ID for in-person voting.

Measure number five would create a new 0.1% sales tax for 20 years. This would go to Arizona's fire districts.

Measure number six would amend the constitution to consolidate all of its provisions on property taxes into a single article. It would also grant the legislature the power to set up property tax exemption amounts and their qualifications. These exemptions could be set up for widows and widowers, people with total and permanent disabilities, disabled veterans, and any property used for trade, business, or agriculture.

Measure number seven would amend the constitution to create the office of Lieutenant Governor, who would run jointly with a gubernatorial candidate. Gubernatorial candidates would be required to select running mates no later than 60 days before the General Election, and the Lieutenant Governor(instead of the SoS like now) would take over if the Governor dies, resigns, etc.

Measure number eight would amend the constitution to raise the threshold for all ballot measure to 60%+1 from the simple majority currently required.

Issue 1 is an amendment that would allow the state legislature to call itself into special sessions if a joint proclamation is signed by the House Speaker and the Senate President Pro Tempore or if it's signed by two-thirds of both houses.

Issue 2 would amend the Constitution to require all constitutional amendments and citizen initiatives to have 60%+1 to pass. Currently, only a simple majority is required.

Issue 3 is an amendment that would guarantee that, "government shall not burden a person's freedom of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability."

Both the first and second propositions legalise sports betting, but they do so in different ways. Number one would legalise sports betting at First Nations Casinos and racetracks and tax all revenue from it at 10%. It would also allow Native casinos to have roulette and dice games for the first time. Number two would legalise online and mobile sports betting by authorising First Nations with gaming compacts to make on agreement with an out-of-state sports betting company. It would create the Division of Online Sports Betting Control within the State Justice Department, which would be able to regulate the practice. All revenues and licence fees would be taxed at 10%, with 85% of the money going to the state's Solutions to Homelessness and Mental Health Support Account, which provides permanent and interim housing to the mentioned groups. The remaining 15% would go to the new Tribal Economic Development Account, which would provide funds to non-gaming tribes for their governments, infrastructure, public health, education, and economic development.

Number two would allow CalRecycle, the state recycling authority, to impose extra regulations and taxes to reduce single-use plastics. All companies would have to ensure that their plastics can be recycled, reused, or composted by 2030, all producers would have to eliminate any and all single-use plastics that CalRecycle determines are unnecessary for products, single-use packaging and foodware would have to be reduced across the board by 25% by 2030, recycled and renewable materials would be required in the production of single-use packaging, CalRecycle would be required to establish plastic goods deposits and more take-back programmes statewide, labeling standards for sorting discarded single-use packaging would be established and imposed, food vendors would be expressly prohibited from using expanded polystyrene in packaging, and a new fee would be imposed on single-use packaging called the California Plastic Pollution Reduction Fee. This new tax would be maxed at one cent per item with CalRecycle having the right to set it anywhere below that. 50% of all money from it would go to CalRecycle to enforce the measure, 30% would go to the CNRA for grants for things like habitat restoration and mitigating plastic-based habitat destruction, and 20% would go to local government for recycling, compoting, and plastic mitigation measures.

Number three is a veto measure. Back in 2020, California passed SB793, which bans the sale of flavoured tobacco except for loose leaf and hookah tobacco and premium cigars, effectively a ban on flavoured vapes and menthols. The tobacco industry has managed to get this veto measure on the ballot, however, so a Yes vote will uphold the bill while a No will reject it.

Number four would require public schools to fund art and music education. Every school would be required to allocate a minimum of 1% of their annual funding that they get from Prop 98 appropriations(Prop 98 is a 1988 measure that requires annual increases in education funding and sets how much each school and school district gets annually) on top of what they already get from Prop 98. 70% of the money would go to schools based on their enrollments while the remaining 30% would go to schools based on their number of "economically disadvantaged" students, which is basically any student eligible for the National School Lunch Programme. Schools with over 500 students would have to prove that 80% of what they get goes toward employing art and music teachers and the remaining 20% goes toward training and materials for the class.

Number five would enact new requirements for dialysis clinics. Clinics would be required to have at least one physician, nurse practitioner, or physician's assistant onsite during treatments. These professionals would have to have at least six months experience with end-stage renal treatment. Clinics would also be required to report any dialysis-related infections to the Department of Public Health. They would also be required to provide patients with a list of doctors that have at least a 5% ownership stake in the clinic and the CDPH with a list of any persons that have the same. Clinics would also require the CDPH's written consent before either closing or significantly cutting back on services. Finally, they wouldn't be allowed to turn people away based on their method of payment.

Number six would guarantee the right to reproductive freedom, including the right to abortions and contraception.

This measure would decrease the state income tax rate for individuals and corporations from 4.55% to 4.4% until the end of 2024.

The second measure would amend the constitution to designate judges who currently serve in Colorado's 18th Judicial District to serve in the newly established 23rd District(consisting of Douglas, Elbert, and Lincoln Counties just south and southeast of Denver and going into existence in 2025) and establish a residency requirement like all the other districts.

The third measure would extend an existing homestead property tax exemption measure for disabled veterans to the surviving spouses of those killed in action or who died from a service-related injury or illness if the spouse receives dependency indemnity payments from the VA.

The fourth measure would amend the constitution to make changes to charitable gaming. First, it would repeal a current ban on paying manages and operators of these games and allow them to be paid minimum wage starting January 1, 2024. Second, it would reduce the time an organisation has to exist to get a charitable gaming licence to three years from the current five until 2025, when the Legislature would have full authority over how long they would exist.

The fifth measure would create a new Healthy School Meals for All Programme. This programme would reimburse schools for free meals to students who otherwise don't qualify for federal free lunches, authorise additional food funding for schools, and give grants to schools who purchase food from local businesses or distributors. To pay the $100.7 million annual price tag, the current income tax deduction cap would be dropped drastically, from $30,000 to $12,000 for single filers and from $60,000 to $16,000 for joint filers. The income threshold for where the caps apply would also go down from $400,000 to $300,000.

The sixth measure would require any future ballot initatives that raise or lower state income taxes to include a table showing what those changes mean, on average, for different income brackets

Connecticut is voting on an amendment that would allow for early voting.

Amendment 1 would allow the legislature to pass laws that forbid counties from taking flood mitigation measures into account when valuing properties for taxation purposes.

Amendment 2 would disband Florida's infamous Constitution Revision Commission, the one that gave us those oddly matched amendments in 2018.

Amendment 3 would allow the state legislature to grant a new homestead property tax exemption of $50,000 on public service workers such as teachers, law enforcement, EMT and fire personnel, active duty military or national guard, and child welfare workers.

Georgia's first ballot measure would amend the constitution to suspend compensation for elected state executives or legislative members if they've been suspended from office due to a felony indictment.

Georgia's second ballot measure would expand a current personal property tax exemption for farm equipment. First, it would expand it to allow any entity that's a merger of multiple family farms. Second, eggs and dairy products would also be exempt from such taxes.

Georgia's third ballot measure would amend the constitution to allow local governments to grant temporary property tax relief if a property was damaged or destroyed in a federally designated disaster area.

Georgia's fourth ballot measure would exempt timbering equipment owned by timber producers from property taxes.

Idaho will vote to amend their constitution to allow the State Legislature to convene itself for a special session if the Senate President Pro Tempore and the House Speaker receive a written request with at least 60% of both houses signatures. The legislature would only be allowed to discuss any topics mentioned in the request. The Legislature would also be allowed to convene on the first Thursday in December following a general elections for an organisational session.

Illinois will be voting to amend its constitution to guarantee the right to collective bargaining and negotiation.

Iowa will be voting to add a right to bear arms to their constitution and require strict scrutiny of any infringement of that right brought before a court.

On August 2, Kansas will be voting on an amendment that states that there is no right to an abortion in the state constitution. Back in 2019, the Kansas Supreme Court said that their bill of rights did, in fact, guarantee such a right, this would supersede that.

In November, another amendment would allow the Legislature to revoke or suspend any rules or regulations passed by executive agencies by majority vote. The Governor would not be allowed to veto these laws if passed.

Another amendment would require every county with a sheriff(which is every county except Riley County[Manhattan], which abolished their sheriff's office in 1974)to require that the position is an elected one with four-year terms. The voters would have the right to recall a sheriff if they submit a petition with at least 40% of the voters from the previous sheriff's election. They could also be removed if the State Attorney General issues a Quo Warranto(a writ questioning their ability or authority).

Kentucky's first proposed amendment would change end dates for the commonwealth legislature. First, the legislature would be allowed to change its own end date via approval of 60% of both houses. Second, the House Speaker and Senate President would have the right to call a special session up to 12 days long. Third, all laws would take effect either on July 1 or 90 days after the Governor signed them into law, whichever's later.

The second proposed amendment is another measure that would expressly deny the right to an abortion in the constitution.

Amendment number one would allow taxing authorities, by a two-thirds vote, to raise property tax rates to the maximum allowed by the constitution. Currently, they're only allowed to raise them to last year's maximum, which the state determines every four years with homestead exemptions considered.

Amendment number two would allow local governments to waive monthly water rates for people if water infrastructure was damaged through no fault of the customers(i.e., hurricane-based pipe damage).

Amendment number three would limit the increase in property values in Orleans Parish to 10% annually starting in 2023.

Amendment number four would allow five funds(The Louisiana Education Quality Trust Fund, the Artificial Reef Development Fund, the Lifetime Licence Endowment Trust Fund, the Rockefeller Wildlife Refuge Trust and Protection Fund, and the Russell Sage or Marsh Island Refuge Fund-either one), to invest up to 65% of their money into stocks. Currently, they're limited to 35%.

Amendment number five would allow civil or classified servants to publicly support the election campaigns of immediate family members when off duty.

Amendment number six would remove a current requirement that says that people who are totally and permanently disabled have to annually recertify their income in order to receive a special reassessment level for their property taxes. This level keeps properties from being reassessed at a value higher than that which it was at when the homeowner applied for the special level.

Amendment number seven would expand property tax exemptions for disabled veterans. Currently, the exemption is $7,500 for anyone with a 100% disability rating on top of a $7,500 homestead exemption. Under the proposed amendment, any veteran with a rating between 50-70% would see $2,500 exempted, anyone between 70-100% would see $4,500 exempted, and anyone at 100% or declared totally unemployable by the VA would see their entire tax exempted. Also, a disabled veteran's widow would receive these benefits even if the exemption was never claimed in the veteran's lifetime.

Amendment number eight would close the Convict Loophole on slavery and involuntary servitude in the state constitution except for "the otherwise lawful administration of criminal justice."

Amendment number nine, to be decided on December 10 like the others below, would require future appointees to the State Police Commission to be confirmed by the State Senate.

Amendment number ten would require future appointees to the State Civil Service Commission to be confirmed by the State Senate.

Amendment number eleven would say that "No person who is not a citizen of the United States shall be allowed to register and vote in this state."

Maryland's first amendment would change the name of the Maryland Court of Appeals to the Supreme Court of Maryland. It would also change the name of the Court of Special Appeals to the Appellate Court of Maryland.

Amendment number two would change how much money in controversy needed to guarantee a jury trial in civil cases. The minimum limit would go up to $25,000 from the current $15,000.

Amendment number three would require that people running for state or federal office would have to have their primary residence in the district they plan to stand for for at least six months, thus changing the requirement from simply having a residence of some sort in the district. It also changes all language in the constitution to gender-neutral language.

Amendment number four would legalise marijuana for all people over age 21 effective July 1, 2023. It would also direct the legislature to pass the necessary laws for regulation, taxation, usage, and distribution.

Amendment number five would merge the circuit and orphan's courts in Howard County by requiring the three circuit court judges serve as orphan's court judges and remove the election requirement for the orphan's court. Both the state and the county would have to approve this measure, required because Maryland has a strict structure for their courts and counties have to get amendments to change it for their needs.

Massachusetts is voting on an amendment that would create a new 4% income tax for all incomes over $1 million. This tax would go to education and transportation.

Michigan is voting on an amendment that would change state legislative term limits to 12 years combined in both houses as opposed to the current three two-year terms in the House and two four-year terms in the Senate. The amendment also requires elected legislators and state executives to file annual financial disclosure statements on income, assets and liabilities, gifts from lobbyists, agreements on future employment, travel reimbursements, and positions held in certain orgainsations. The Legislature would not be allowed to limit or restrict these disclosures

First, there's Amendment 1. This would allow the State Treasurer to invest state money into any of the top five highest-rates long-term or short-term municipal securities. It would also allow the State Legislature to pass laws to allow the Treausrer to invest in other securities.

Second, there's an automatic convention question, which Missouri gets every 20 years.

Third, there's an amendment that would create a new cabinet office and department of Secretary of the National Guard, who would be appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate.

Fourth, another amendment would allow the legislature to pass a law that would be effective until December 2026 that would require a city to increase funding for a police force established by a state board of police commissioners without compensation by the state and allow the legislature to go around a constitutional provision that otherwise requires such compensation. Only Kansas City has a police force that fits the amendment's criteria, and the amendment is seen as a response to KC cutting police funding.

First, C-48 would amend the constitution to require search warrants to access electronic data and communications.

Second, LR-131 would implement a "born alive" law in Montana, stating all people born alive are people and would require care for them even in the event of an attempted abortion. Violations of this law would result in a maximum of 20 years imprisonment and/or a $50,000 fine.

Nebraska's voting on an amendment that would let cities or counties who own airports spend and raise revenue to let those airports expand or introduce commercial passenger flights. Currently, Nebraska's the only state that doesn't allow this.

First, there's a measure that would create a fourth tax bracket for casinos(the gamblers aren't being taxed, just the casinos themselves). All gross revenue above $250,000 a year would be taxed at 9.75%. Currently, the highest tax rate is 6.75% for all gross revenue over $134,000.

Second, another tax measure would raise the state's Local School Support Tax, a sales tax, up to 3.75% from 2.25%. With a 2015 sales tax added, state sales tax would now be 4.1%. Keep in mind, this measure and the one above were both sponsored by the Clark County Education Association, who had actually tried to withdraw them both after a mining tax increase gave them the money they needed. The Secretary of State, however, said that the measured had already been certified and couldn't be withdrawn.

Third, an ERA is being proposed for Nevada, an amendment that would ban discrimination on the basis of sex, race, colour, creed, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, disability, ancestry, or national origin.

Fourth, a proposal would raise the minimum wage to $12 per hour by 2024(currently its $12 for people without employer-based health benefits and $11 for people with it), but it would also remove the current annual inflation adjustments to the wage. It would also allow the legislature to set higher minimum wages than the constitutional minimum.

Another convention vote as required every 10 years.

New Hampshire will also be voting on an amendment that would eliminate the office of Register of Probate from all counties. After a 2011 court reform, the job's basically been reduced to preserving potentially significant documents, a job that many consider could be better suited by other officials.

New Mexico's voting on an amendment that would require 1.25% of the Land Grant Permanent Fund(the state's education fund made up of investment returns and royalties and leases on things like oil and natural gas) to go to early childhood education(60%) and public education in general(40%). This would mean that 6.25% is altogether being dedicated to certain funds and projects.

Another amendment being considered would require appellate judges who were appointed to fill vacancies to be up for election in the first general election after they've served a full year. Currently, they have to go up for election at the next general election regardless of whether they've served a year, a month, etc.

Their third proposed amendment would allow the legislature to appropriate state funds for household services infrastructure(internet access, water, electricity, gas) through a majority vote.

Ohio's voting on an amendment that would forbid local governments from allowing people to vote if they don't qualify to be an elector in state or federal elections.

Another amendment would require edges to "use factors such as public safety, including the seriousness of the offense, and a person's criminal record" when setting bail amounts and conditions.

The first amendment would "ensure that every resident of Oregon has access to cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable health care as a fundamental right."

The second amendment would remove slavery as a possible punishment for crime and authorise courts or probation agencies to order alternatives to imprisonment as part of sentencing convicts.

Measure number one would increase the state's General Reserve Fund(the fund used to cover year-end deficits) from 5% to 7% of all general fund revenue. It would go up half a percentage point each year until it hits the mark.

Measure number two would increase the Capital Reserve Fund(which has to be used to cover year-end deficits before the General Reserve can be used) from 2% to 3% of all general fund revenue. It would also change the Fund's usage, switching to covering midyear deficits instead of those at year's end.

Amendment C, to be decided on June 7, would require any ballot measure that increases taxes or fees or requires to state to appropriate more than $10 million within the first five fiscal years to be passed by 60%+1 of voters. REJECTED

In November, Amendment D and Initiated Measure 28 would increase Medicaid access to ACA levels. Proponents are going both ways to ensure the measure doesn't get struck down for one reason or another.

Initiated Measure 27 would legalise marijuana for people over 21. Technically South Dakota did vote to do this already in 2020, but the measure was struck down for violating the state's single-subject rule.

Measure number one would add a Right-to-Work Amendment to Tennessee's Constitution. Tennessee already has a similar law banning union membership as a requirement for employment.

Measure number two would remove slavery as a punishment for convicts.

Measure number three would set up an order for an Acting Governor. Tennessee is the only state that still does not have any constitutional provisions for an Acting Governor if the sitting Governor is temporarily unable to carry out their duty. The Governor could send a letter to both legislative leaders, or a majority of executive agencies could approve a measure declaring unfitness. Either way, the Senate Speaker and Lieutenant Governor would take over as Acting Governor.

Measure number four would lift a state constitutional ban on religious ministers, priests, pastors, rabbi, imams, etc., running for the Legislature.

Unusual, but they passed a couple of measures that came too late for a odd-year vote and will appear on May 7. First, Prop 1 would reduce the tax limit for school maintenance and operations on homesteads of elderly or disabled residents in accordance with a law passed last year. APPROVED

Second, Prop 2 would raise the homestead exemption for school property taxes to $40,000 from the current $25,000. APPROVED

Utah will vote an amendment that would raise the limit on appropriations made during emergency legislative sessions. The limit would go up to 5% of the previous year's budget from the current 1%. Federal funding would be exempt as would anything that decreases total spending for the year.

Proposal 2 would repeal certain language that allows slavery or indentured servitude as a criminal punishment or as a method of paying debts, effectively closing what's known as the "convict loophole."

Proposal 5 would amend the constitution to protect the right to personal reproductive autonomy and ensure that it cannot be infringed by the state without a compelling interest.

Amendment number one would state that no state court has any authority over any impeachments made by the legislature and that no court can review such impeachments.

Amendment number two would allow the legislature to incorporate churches and religious denominations. West Virginia is the only state that still doesn't have such authority.

Amendment number three would any personal property used for businesses from property taxes.

Amendment number four would requite the State Board of Education to submit any proposed rules or rule changes to the Legislature so it can amend, reject, or approve them.

Amendment A would allow local governments to invest their money into stocks upon a two-thirds vote of the legislature. They would need a similar approval to increase the amount of funds being invested.

Amendment B would raise the retirement age for district court judges and state supreme court justices from 70 to 75.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu May 12, 2022 10:07 am

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you know it’s a weird world when a TV show host is very likely to win a major election.
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https://thehill.com/news/3486140-delawa ... teams-bus/

Delaware AG calls for federal probe of alleged racial profiling in search of lacrosse team’s bus

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Postby Untecna » Thu May 12, 2022 10:07 am

Second!

Third!
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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 12, 2022 10:08 am

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/news/3486140-delaware-ag-calls-for-federal-probe-of-alleged-racial-profiling-in-search-of-lacrosse-teams-bus/

Delaware AG calls for federal probe of alleged racial profiling in search of lacrosse team’s bus


I'm not surprised that profiling may have played a factor. No disrespect for the Ball Play, as our ancestors called it, but Lacrosse players don't exactly seem like the partying type.
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Not really no. Not how this works.

yeah and the russian invasion of ukraine is just a "special military operation".


We're not Russia. Nice try though. SCOTUS can't just make decisions on a whim. That's why Scalia's draft was 96 pages and not just: "Fuck Roe and Fuck You" It's a big deal when precedent is overturned, and requires substantial substantiation. This " the GOP is gonna start locking people up for "treason" and SCOTUS will help them is just hysterical doomerism.
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6th, but I don't know American politics so bye

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Postby Free Algerstonia » Thu May 12, 2022 10:09 am

Shrillland wrote:Democracy is still hanging by a thread

thread? like a FORUM THREAD? LIKE THE ONE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW???

HAHA GET IT??????
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Catalonia 2070 RP wrote:6th, but I don't know American politics so bye

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 12, 2022 10:10 am

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San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/news/3486140-delaware-ag-calls-for-federal-probe-of-alleged-racial-profiling-in-search-of-lacrosse-teams-bus/

Delaware AG calls for federal probe of alleged racial profiling in search of lacrosse team’s bus


I'm not surprised. No disrespect for the Ball Play, as our ancestors called it, but Lacrosse players don't exactly seem like the partying type.

this is sarcasm right?
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Shrillland wrote:
I'm not surprised. No disrespect for the Ball Play, as our ancestors called it, but Lacrosse players don't exactly seem like the partying type.

this is sarcasm right?


More or less.
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Reminds me of that scene where Toby goes to speaker hat in hand, and Josh calls during the meeting with guns and ammo.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu May 12, 2022 10:22 am

Ah, that new thread smell! Let's start by stinking it up:

Federal prosecutors have begun a grand jury investigation into whether classified White House documents that ended up at former President Donald J. Trump’s Florida home were mishandled. At least one subpoena has been issued, which was to the National Archives for the said boxes that were deemed to have classified information in them. It is rare charges are brought up in these kinds of cases given how pathetic the laws are on the books. Instead, it's mainly to alert the intelligence community so they can take the necessary steps to protect sources and methods.

That doesn't mean the possibility of charges being pressed but given Hillary Clinton was involved in a similar situation regarding her emails and the fact Trump could use the excuse that these documents were de-classified by him (Presidents have that broad authority), it would be very hard to prosecute. To prove intent, evidence showing that the person in question knowingly and intentionally broke the law, meaning that that the person had been told that taking the information outside of secure channels would violate the law.

Federal prosecutors have begun a grand jury investigation into whether classified White House documents that ended up at former President Donald J. Trump’s Florida home were mishandled, according to two people briefed on the matter.

The intensifying inquiry suggests that the Justice Department is examining the role of Mr. Trump and other officials in his White House in their handling of sensitive materials during the final stages of his administration.

In recent days, the Justice Department has taken a series of steps showing that its investigation has progressed beyond the preliminary stages. Prosecutors issued a subpoena to the National Archives and Records Administration to obtain the boxes of classified documents, according to the two people familiar with the matter, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

The authorities have also made interview requests to people who worked in the White House in the final days of Mr. Trump’s presidency, according to one of the people.

The investigation is focused on the discovery by the National Archives in January that at the end of Mr. Trump’s term he had taken to his home at the Mar-a-Lago resort 15 boxes from the White House that contained government documents, mementos, gifts and letters.

After the boxes were returned to the National Archives, its archivists found documents containing “items marked as classified national security information,” the agency told Congress in February. In April, it was reported that federal authorities were in the preliminary stages of investigating the handling of the classified documents.

The subpoena that was sent to the National Archives in recent days for the classified documents is one of a series of requests that the Justice Department has made to the agency for records from the Trump administration in recent months, according to the two people.

A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment. The public affairs office at the National Archives did not return an email message seeking comment. Representatives of Mr. Trump did not respond to a request for comment.

Charges are rarely brought in investigations into the handling of classified documents. But the Justice Department typically conducts them to determine whether any highly sensitive information may have been exposed so the intelligence community can take measures to protect sources and methods.

The documents in question are believed to have been kept in the residence of the White House before they were boxed up and sent to Mar-a-Lago. The investigation is focused on how the documents made their way to the residence, who boxed them up, whether anyone knew that classified materials were being improperly taken out of the White House and how they were ultimately stored in Mar-a-Lago, according to a person with knowledge of the matter, who also spoke on condition of anonymity.

An investigation in 2016 into Hillary Clinton over a similar issue involving her personal email account ended without her being charged. And in the case of Mr. Trump, legal experts said, presidents have the ability while in office to essentially declassify whatever information they want, further complicating any possible prosecution.

The classified documents in question are considered presidential records under federal law. Because of that distinction, Mr. Trump’s lawyers were notified of the Justice Department’s request, giving them the opportunity to block their release by going to court to quash the subpoena. It is unclear if the lawyers have responded.

Last year, Mr. Trump’s lawyer unsuccessfully went to court to stop the National Archives from handing over a range of presidential records to the special congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attacks on the Capitol.

The question of how Mr. Trump has handled sensitive material and documents he received as president loomed throughout his time in the White House, and beyond it. He was known to rip up pieces of official paper that he was handed, forcing officials to tape them back together because it is illegal to destroy presidential records. And an upcoming book by a New York Times reporter reveals that residence staff would find clumps of torn-up paper clogging a toilet, and believed he had thrown them in. They did not know the subjects or contents of the documents.

The investigation of the classified documents adds to an array of legal problems Mr. Trump still faces 15 months after he left office. A local prosecutor in Atlanta is investigating whether he and his allies illegally interfered with Georgia’s 2020 election results, and the New York State attorney general is investigating the finances of Mr. Trump’s company.

Despite Mr. Trump’s role in helping incite the mob that stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 and his other efforts to disrupt the counting and certification of the election, there has been no indication to date that the Justice Department has begun examining any criminal culpability he might have in those matters.

But the prosecutors’ moves in the documents case show that the Justice Department under Attorney General Merrick B. Garland is at least willing to examine a matter that may ultimately touch directly on the president’s conduct.

Democrats, anti-Trump Republicans and even President Biden have been frustrated with Mr. Garland over his apparent reticence to investigate Mr. Trump for his role in trying to overturn the 2020 election.

Now, the decision to move forward with an investigation into the classified documents could draw the department even deeper into the country’s political tensions. Such investigations typically take at least a year, putting Mr. Garland on a path of potentially having to conclude it at the same time Mr. Trump is running for president again.

During the 2016 campaign, Mr. Trump made attacking Mrs. Clinton for her handling of classified information a central part of his rallies and remarks to the media, helping to undermine her credibility with voters.

The Justice Department and F.B.I. had opened an investigation into whether she had mishandled classified information when she relied on a personal email account as secretary of state shortly after she began running for president in 2015.

That investigation, which ended with the F.B.I. director at the time, James B. Comey, holding a news conference shortly before both parties held their nominating conventions in the summer of 2016, found that Mrs. Clinton had highly classified information in her emails, but no charges were brought against her or anyone else.

For prosecutors to prove a felony in the mishandling of classified materials, the authorities would likely need evidence showing that the person in question knowingly and intentionally broke the law. In this case that would mean proving that the person had been told that taking the information outside of secure channels would violate the law.
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I don’t know too much about it, but I think it’s between Oz and McCormick. Barnette doesn’t have an extreme enough platform. The polls say Oz.

Barnette’s most extreme opinion is that she doesn’t like CRT. she has this to say about it:
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Postby Deblar » Thu May 12, 2022 10:26 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:I don’t know too much about it, but I think it’s between Oz and McCormick. Barnette doesn’t have an extreme enough platform. The polls say Oz.

Barnette’s most extreme opinion is that she doesn’t like CRT. she has this to say about it:
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Postby Forsher » Thu May 12, 2022 10:29 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:first

you know it’s a weird world when a TV show host is very likely to win a major election.


A time traveller would, indeed, have a good chance of being first.

But why would you choose to stay in 2021 when you could be enjoying the halcyon days of 2016?
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Eighteenth!
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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 12, 2022 10:29 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:I don’t know too much about it, but I think it’s between Oz and McCormick. Barnette doesn’t have an extreme enough platform. The polls say Oz.

Barnette’s most extreme opinion is that she doesn’t like CRT. she has this to say about it:
CRT is evil. Race-based Marxism is making the long march through all of our institutions.


Well, at least she sounds like a bona-fide conservative. Gramsci's Long March is always a popular fear tactic.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu May 12, 2022 10:29 am

Deblar wrote:
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:I don’t know too much about it, but I think it’s between Oz and McCormick. Barnette doesn’t have an extreme enough platform. The polls say Oz.

Barnette’s most extreme opinion is that she doesn’t like CRT. she has this to say about it:

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Marxism is just whatever I don’t like. The GOP is Marxist. Traffic jams are Marxist. Broccoli and cheese is Marxist.

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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 12, 2022 10:31 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Deblar wrote:If Marxism is acknowledging that African Americans had less than a great time for much of America's history, then workers of the world, unite


Marxism is just whatever I don’t like. The GOP is Marxist. Traffic jams are Marxist. Broccoli and cheese is Marxist.


You don't like broccoli and cheese? What the hell is wrong with you?
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Postby Deblar » Thu May 12, 2022 10:31 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Deblar wrote:If Marxism is acknowledging that African Americans had less than a great time for much of America's history, then workers of the world, unite


Marxism is just whatever I don’t like. The GOP is Marxist. Traffic jams are Marxist. Broccoli and cheese is Marxist.

Pineapple on pizza is Marxist, I knew it!

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Thu May 12, 2022 10:32 am

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:I don’t know too much about it, but I think it’s between Oz and McCormick. Barnette doesn’t have an extreme enough platform. The polls say Oz.

Barnette’s most extreme opinion is that she doesn’t like CRT. she has this to say about it:
CRT is evil. Race-based Marxism is making the long march through all of our institutions.


>Marxism

She uses that word but it doesn’t mean what she thinks it means.

Is she trying to say CRT divides the means of the production amongst the workers by race?

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