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by Berhakonia » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:33 am
by Mtwara » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:56 am
by Vikanias » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:12 am
by -Goguryeo » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:19 am
by ImperialRussia » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:25 am
by Laka Strolistandiler » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:39 am
Mtwara wrote:Have these demands been made with a foreign or domestic audience in mind? The Russian government will know their requests are completely unfeasible.
I reserve the right to /stillme any one-liners if my post is at least two lines long
by Juristonia » Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:15 am
Untecna wrote:It would be stupid to agree to it. Russia is trying to push what they know will be opposed, and they clearly want war.
That said, war would most likely end unfruitful for them.
Liriena wrote:Say what you will about fascists: they are remarkably consistent even after several decades of failing spectacularly elsewhere.
Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.
Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.
And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.
by Cosmic79 » Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:18 am
Fiorina-Fury 161 wrote:Tell Putin to shove it up his ass.
by Antipatros » Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:51 am
by Kerwa » Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:46 am
by Lady Victory » Sat Dec 18, 2021 5:45 am
by Fartsniffage » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:00 am
Lady Victory wrote:NATO shouldn't withdraw from any member states whatsoever, but we should remove our nuclear missiles from foreign countries both in Europe and elsewhere as ICBMs make the idea of strategic launching positions rather redundant.
NATO should remove it's personnel from non-NATO member states as well.
NATO shouldn't keep expanding and in fact I'd like to see it dissolved sometime in the future when the Russians have backed down a bit.
NATO should definitely not be running training drills with Ukraine, the South Caucasus, or Central Asia but given several NATO members are in Eastern Europe there's no reason to stop with those specific countries there.
Overall most of these demands aren't that unreasonable; it's the one where NATO should abandon half it's membership based on geography that is totally ludicrous. The rest are more or less acceptable.
by Federated Island Republics » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:04 am
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:05 am
by Dispertag » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:13 am
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Strange, I was just assured by a european that all of Europe has very close and friendly ties with Russia. They also explained that Europe is subsidizing america with bread and that american soldiers are gay.
Welcome to the internet.
Meanwhile I still believe European members of NATO need to increase military spending and meet treaty obligations. Only 4 of them consistantly do. The US should withdraw from European defense after 75 years. Leave nuclear detterence as a going away present.
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori
by Immoren » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:22 am
New haven america wrote:...
Does anyone know how Ukraine and Sweden/Finland feels about NATO membership?
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Gurkland » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:23 am
by Galloism » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:26 am
Gurkland wrote:NATO should accept these demands because the USA is still on a cold war mentality and surrounding Russia and impoverish them with all these sanctions and bank freezes is unacceptable. Crimea is a russian majority location and Ukraine itself imposed sanctions on Crimea and blocked its ports. In the European Union there are countries that did opposed sanctions and rely on Russia as a strategic trade partner and any worsening of relationships is not a good thing.
by The Blaatschapen » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:33 am
Gurkland wrote:NATO should accept these demands because the USA is still on a cold war mentality and surrounding Russia and impoverish them with all these sanctions and bank freezes is unacceptable. Crimea is a russian majority location and Ukraine itself imposed sanctions on Crimea and blocked its ports. In the European Union there are countries that did opposed sanctions and rely on Russia as a strategic trade partner and any worsening of relationships is not a good thing.
by Khaanada » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:35 am
by Galloism » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:41 am
Khaanada wrote:In diplomacy as in cattle trading, the opening bids are usually a bit exagerated.
NATO should negotiate an outcome whereby Ukraine is split up in the Russian majority provinces in the east (which can then join Russia if they want) and the western parts, which clearly don´t want to be under Russian influence.
Russia in return should give up any claims over countries where no such geographically demarcated majorities exist (the Baltic States comes to mind).
NATO should indeed stop creeping up on Russia: the US would freak out too if Cuba, Canada, and Mexico all stationed troops along the borders and waterways - simultaneously no less.
And no, I am not a Russian at all. Just someone with a history book that informs me of how strange a concept Ukraine is, when for most of its history it was split up in two separate spheres of influence.
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Sat Dec 18, 2021 6:43 am
Lady Victory wrote:NATO shouldn't withdraw from any member states whatsoever, but we should remove our nuclear missiles from foreign countries both in Europe and elsewhere as ICBMs make the idea of strategic launching positions rather redundant.
Lady Victory wrote:NATO should remove it's personnel from non-NATO member states as well.
Lady Victory wrote:NATO shouldn't keep expanding and in fact I'd like to see it dissolved sometime in the future when the Russians have backed down a bit.
Lady Victory wrote:NATO should definitely not be running training drills with Ukraine, the South Caucasus, or Central Asia but given several NATO members are in Eastern Europe there's no reason to stop with those specific countries there.
by Arvenia » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:16 am
Hispida wrote:lmaooooooooo russia with the small dick energy
russia aint gonna do shit if nato just says "no"
russia can't win against nato and russia knows this
it's just power projection
by Perm the Great » Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:28 am
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