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Do you believe Albertans will vote to initiate the process of gaining independence from Canada?

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No
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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:41 pm

Shrillland wrote:Polls are now closed in New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island...and maybe one or two Quebecois ridings, I usually end up missing them.


And those places tend to be heavily Liberal so right now it will look like the Liberals are way ahead.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:45 pm

Czervenika wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Polls are now closed in New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island...and maybe one or two Quebecois ridings, I usually end up missing them.


And those places tend to be heavily Liberal so right now it will look like the Liberals are way ahead.


Yeah, though there are a couple of places of interest, Fredericton and Cumberland-Colchester are the main ones...nothing till 9:30 ET now.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:37 pm

And the mischievous Gaspesie riding showed up.

And damn...the Greens are getting slaughtered in Atlantic Canada right now.

EDIT: The People's Party is rising fast, though they aren't likely to take Atlantic seats...it's still another 45 minutes before the bulk of the country closes.
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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:23 pm

The country is absolutely doomed. Conservatives are winning seats in heavily Liberal Atlantic Canada. Wtf happened?
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:24 pm

Czervenika wrote:The country is absolutely doomed. Conservatives are winning seats in heavily Liberal Atlantic Canada. Wtf happened?

Don't call an election in the midst of a pandemic and skirt on the coattails of popularity if you have nothing to show for it.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:25 pm

Czervenika wrote:The country is absolutely doomed. Conservatives are winning seats in heavily Liberal Atlantic Canada. Wtf happened?


Not just them, Conservatives took out a Minister(Bernadette Jordan) already too. I'm looking at the numbers, it's just a lot of more conservative Greens going to the Tories with O'Toole's environmental plan...such as it is.
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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:25 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Czervenika wrote:The country is absolutely doomed. Conservatives are winning seats in heavily Liberal Atlantic Canada. Wtf happened?

Don't call an election in the midst of a pandemic and skirt on the coattails of popularity if you have nothing to show for it.


I mean, I don't like Trudeau either but I would still prefer him over literally any Conservative.
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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:27 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Czervenika wrote:The country is absolutely doomed. Conservatives are winning seats in heavily Liberal Atlantic Canada. Wtf happened?


Not just them, Conservatives took out a Minister(Bernadette Jordan) already too. I'm looking at the numbers, it's just a lot of more conservative Greens going to the Tories with O'Toole's environmental plan...such as it is.


Baffling to me since the Tories literally made climate change denial a part of their platform. They had a vote on it.
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:30 pm

Polls from Quebec to Alberta have now closed.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:30 pm

Polls are now closed in Alberta, Manitoba, The Northwest Territories, Nunavut, Ontario, Quebec, and Saskatchewan.
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Postby Helliniki Katastasis » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:32 pm

As of right now, I'm going to call a slim conservative minority government, maybe by around 6 or 7 seats.
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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:33 pm

Helliniki Katastasis wrote:As of right now, I'm going to call a slim conservative minority government, maybe by around 6 or 7 seats.


Oh god, if it goes that way I certainly hope it is only a minority.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:34 pm

Czervenika wrote:
Helliniki Katastasis wrote:As of right now, I'm going to call a slim conservative minority government, maybe by around 6 or 7 seats.


Oh god, if it goes that way I certainly hope it is only a minority.


I don't know, with the PPC's surge up to 5% in Atlantic Canada, it does make some of the Western seats more interesting....
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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:35 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Czervenika wrote:
Oh god, if it goes that way I certainly hope it is only a minority.


I don't know, with the PPC's surge up to 5% in Atlantic Canada, it does make some of the Western seats more interesting....


Literally the only good thing about the PPC is their potential to split the right-wing vote.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:36 pm

Czervenika wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
I don't know, with the PPC's surge up to 5% in Atlantic Canada, it does make some of the Western seats more interesting....


Literally the only good thing about the PPC is their potential to split the right-wing vote.


For now...when the next vote comes in '23 and Bernier becomes the new Manning, we may be regretting our thankfulness.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:43 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Czervenika wrote:
Literally the only good thing about the PPC is their potential to split the right-wing vote.


For now...when the next vote comes in '23 and Bernier becomes the new Manning, we may be regretting our thankfulness.

Oh gosh imagine Bernier's PPC actually displacing the Conservatives as the biggest right-wing party in Canada.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:46 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
For now...when the next vote comes in '23 and Bernier becomes the new Manning, we may be regretting our thankfulness.

Oh gosh imagine Bernier's PPC actually displacing the Conservatives as the biggest right-wing party in Canada.


It's happened before, though they'd just merge again...as a even-further right-wing party than before. Even so, I'd like to see what the social Conservatives getting elected are going to do in the new Shadow/Cabinet.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:49 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Oh gosh imagine Bernier's PPC actually displacing the Conservatives as the biggest right-wing party in Canada.


It's happened before, though they'd just merge again...as a even-further right-wing party than before. Even so, I'd like to see what the social Conservatives getting elected are going to do in the new Shadow/Cabinet.

Wasn't that with the Progressive Conservative era when they utterly collapsed and them and the Reform formed the modern Conservatives?
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:49 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
It's happened before, though they'd just merge again...as a even-further right-wing party than before. Even so, I'd like to see what the social Conservatives getting elected are going to do in the new Shadow/Cabinet.

Wasn't that with the Progressive Conservative era when they utterly collapsed and them and the Reform formed the modern Conservatives?


Yep.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:56 pm

As it looks right now, unless Alberta swings red, it is a Liberal minority, O’Toole is just too far behind it looks like.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:59 pm

Polls are now closed in British Columbia and Yukon. All polls are now closed.
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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:08 pm

Wayneactia wrote:As it looks right now, unless Alberta swings red, it is a Liberal minority, O’Toole is just too far behind it looks like.


Alberta won't be swinging red.
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Postby Vikanias » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:08 pm

I’m calling a minority conservative government or a minority Liberal government but with fewer seats in parliament.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:10 pm

It’s a Liberal minority. NDP actually did pretty good.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:12 pm

Wayneactia wrote:It’s a Liberal minority. NDP actually did pretty good.


If that's the case...the Merry-go-Round comes round again and in two years, we come back. Who'll bet this particular thread will still not reach 500 by that point?
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