Should brothels exist?

[Haganham]

I was going to make the case that prostitutes should be protected from assaults and theft of services by the police like any other business but then I realized, given how officers treat their wives, they would be the worst offenders.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

As long as these places provide for health and their rights, sure. Fuck pimps, however.

[Ifreann]

I've never seen a good argument against them. They reduce crime, reduce spread of disease, boost economies, they even get rid of incels. It's a win for everyone except moralists.

Brothels do not get rid of incels.

[Lubeck HSA]

I was going to make the case that prostitutes should be protected from assaults and theft of services by the police like any other business but then I realized, given how officers treat their wives, they would be the worst offenders.

haha,thats right

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I was going to make the case that prostitutes should be protected from assaults and theft of services by the police like any other business but then I realized, given how officers treat their wives, they would be the worst offenders.

You really should drive through the seedy part of a city. It will give you good perspective.

These women often work out of a motel that doubles as a haven for drug addicts and dealers. They get raped, beaten, robbed, drugged, and the drug addictions kill them. I won't pretend all police are paragons of virtue but to consider them worse then the typical pimp is just ridiculous.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I've never seen a good argument against them. They reduce crime, reduce spread of disease, boost economies, they even get rid of incels. It's a win for everyone except moralists.

Brothels do not get rid of incels.

How would it be involuntary with legal access to prostitutes? Sounds more like they cease to exist and become cels...

[Diahon]

as someone who's had plenty of oppoertunity to frequent them before this pandemic happened...

... duh?

[Old Tyrannia]

No. Prostitution should be illegal.

[New Anarchisticstan]

as someone who's had plenty of oppoertunity to frequent them before this pandemic happened...

... duh?

I'm curious, how was your experience? How did the brothel work? What do you think would be the average cost? Is there security staff? To be honest I'm lazy to research this myself but it'd be cool having a first person perspective. Of course, no need to answer if you don't want to.

[Ifreann]

Brothels do not get rid of incels.

How would it be involuntary with legal access to prostitutes? Sounds more like they cease to exist and become cels...

It isn't involuntary at all, prostitutes or not.

[Resilient Acceleration]

Counterpoint: can they not exist? Restricting one of the oldest jobs in economic history merely results in them respawning illegally, now fully out of societal control.

[Diahon]

as someone who's had plenty of oppoertunity to frequent them before this pandemic happened...

... duh?

I'm curious, how was your experience? How did the brothel work? What do you think would be the average cost? Is there security staff? To be honest I'm lazy to research this myself but it'd be cool having a first person perspective. Of course, no need to answer if you don't want to.

I'd answer your questions, but seeing that 1) prostitution's technically illegal where I am, and it doesn't matter how bullshit the laws surrounding it are if I can still get arrested for being a client, and 2) bringing this up in decent company has earned me flak before, I'll pass up on actually doing so.

[Resilient Acceleration]

I was going to make the case that prostitutes should be protected from assaults and theft of services by the police like any other business but then I realized, given how officers treat their wives, they would be the worst offenders.

Yeah, something similar is happening in my country. A progressive bill clamping down sexual assault was recently trimmed by the parliament, which sounds outrageous until I remembered that the most viral sexual abuse cases are often committed by the legislators themselves.

[Luziyca]

They're going to exist whether or not we want them to, so the best thing we can do is regulate them to ensure that working conditions are good and employees aren't being abused and/or trafficked.

[Saiwania]

They're going to exist whether or not we want them to, so the best thing we can do is regulate them to ensure that working conditions are good and employees aren't being abused and/or trafficked.

The issue is too complicated. When Amsterdam legalized red light districts/brothels, human trafficking allegedly went up and not down.

[The Dodo Republic]

Yes. And double yes. Freedom to bang

[Wapistan]

Ah yes, we all need that special place to do our special, things.

[Khemit Tash]

In Europe, Germany, Greece and other countries, prostitution, brothels and pimping are all allowed.But there are also some problems behind it, such as AIDS or other sexually transmitted diseases.
So should it exist

AIDS and other STDs spread way quicker by unregulated (illegal) prostitution than by regulated (legal) prostitution.

So you arguments against legal prostitution are actually arguments in its favour.

[New Anarchisticstan]

Ah yes, we all need that special place to do our special, things.

Not necessary when you have pictures of 2D women, but I guess.

I'm curious, how was your experience? How did the brothel work? What do you think would be the average cost? Is there security staff? To be honest I'm lazy to research this myself but it'd be cool having a first person perspective. Of course, no need to answer if you don't want to.

I'd answer your questions, but seeing that 1) prostitution's technically illegal where I am, and it doesn't matter how bullshit the laws surrounding it are if I can still get arrested for being a client, and 2) bringing this up in decent company has earned me flak before, I'll pass up on actually doing so.

New title earned: Smooth Criminal.

[Mackiland]

I don't quite have an opinion about that because it's not like prostitutes are happy being prostitutes. I think we should address another issue here: why do some people decide to take that path in life. Most of the times it's just because they don't have enough money to support themselves or their family. I don't think there is anyone who wholeheartedly dreamt about being a prostitute and wants the job to be legalized. I think instead of thinking whether it should be legal or not it's better to help people find proper jobs to support themselves or/and their family.

[Khemit Tash]

They're going to exist whether or not we want them to, so the best thing we can do is regulate them to ensure that working conditions are good and employees aren't being abused and/or trafficked.

The issue is too complicated. When Amsterdam legalized red light districts/brothels, human trafficking allegedly went up and not down.

It did go up.

But here is why: the police did not go from a situation of complete illegality to a situation of complete legality. It went from tolerance (illegal but allowed) to heavily regulated places of legal business. Under the old situation, they had extensive knowledge of everything going on, and were trusted by the prostitutes, who dared to report human traficking, and they had authority to investigate further. Under the new situation, they had no more cause to talk to the prostitutes, there was a high burden of proof threshold before they could investigate further - and worse, they were now inspecting places of business to an extent that made everybody working there distrust them.

Combine this with the European Schengen agreement (open internal borders), and you may see how especially male prostitution went completely off-radar.

[Deacarsia]

No, brothels should not exist.

[Kul Ibla]

No, brothels should not exist.

Define "brothel".

Because a vague words and unclear definitions leads to discussions all over the place.

[Ifreann]

I don't quite have an opinion about that because it's not like prostitutes are happy being prostitutes. I think we should address another issue here: why do some people decide to take that path in life. Most of the times it's just because they don't have enough money to support themselves or their family. I don't think there is anyone who wholeheartedly dreamt about being a prostitute and wants the job to be legalized. I think instead of thinking whether it should be legal or not it's better to help people find proper jobs to support themselves or/and their family.

Do you think that people dream about doing data entry in an office, or working a customer support phoneline, or sweeping floors, or shovelling shit? Lots of jobs aren't dream jobs, they're just things people do because they need the money. That's probably the vast majority of jobs. So what is so improper about prostitution? Why is that a job that we need to help people leave but working in an Amazon warehouse isn't?

[Mackiland]

I don't quite have an opinion about that because it's not like prostitutes are happy being prostitutes. I think we should address another issue here: why do some people decide to take that path in life. Most of the times it's just because they don't have enough money to support themselves or their family. I don't think there is anyone who wholeheartedly dreamt about being a prostitute and wants the job to be legalized. I think instead of thinking whether it should be legal or not it's better to help people find proper jobs to support themselves or/and their family.

Do you think that people dream about doing data entry in an office, or working a customer support phoneline, or sweeping floors, or shovelling shit? Lots of jobs aren't dream jobs, they're just things people do because they need the money. That's probably the vast majority of jobs. So what is so improper about prostitution? Why is that a job that we need to help people leave but working in an Amazon warehouse isn't?

Good point, however other jobs you mentioned don't give you STDs or unwanted pregnancies. And you're not raped at those places either.