American Politics Thread V: We're Just Biden Our Time ...

[Kowani]

should any state, after the passage of this Act, deny or abridge the right of any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, to vote at any election named in the amendments to the Constitution, article fourteen, section two, except for participation in rebellion or other crime, the number of Representatives apportioned in this act to such State shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall have to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

This allows the states to decide felons and voting based on "participation in rebellion or other crime". The Constitution does not say anything about the federal government managing voting rights on felons, which means that the states gain the right to do that based on what's explicitly said here. The states have the right to decide and the federal government can't override that.

no
again
this says that congress can't punish the states with re-apportionment for noncompliance
but that's not equivalent to "congress can do nothing about felony disenfranchisement"

[Shrillland]

That may be, but Great Algerstonia does have a possible point, Richardson v. Ramirez is still the standard so far. His argument, and SCOTUS' back in 1974, is thus:



The argument there being that states are allowed to deny convicted felons the right to vote without being punished come redistricting time, and with such a conservative court now, that may very well stand.

I must say, if that's what they meant, "the basis of representation therein shall be reduced" was an extremely poor choice of words.

Judge Geography would rule that part to have no force or effect, due to being hopelessly confused and dumb

It isn't dumb. It means if they're found to restrain the rights of the people based on race(remember, this was a reconstruction amendment), then they lose seats in the House until the issue's fixed one way or another.

[Necroghastia]

hot take: felony disenfranchisement is unconstitutional because of the fifteenth amendment.

[The Holy Therns]

So I take it the GOP are gonna drop the whining about cancel culture now, right?

Well, y'never know, y'know?

[Great Algerstonia]

hot take: felony disenfranchisement is unconstitutional because of the fifteenth amendment.

Hm, depends on whether you consider a prison inmate job to be servitude. Even then that leaves the inmates who couldn't do a job at the prison because of medical issues.

[Necroghastia]

hot take: felony disenfranchisement is unconstitutional because of the fifteenth amendment.

Hm, depends on whether you consider a prison inmate job to be servitude. Even then that leaves the inmates who couldn't do a job at the prison because of medical issues.

what if one considers a sentence itself a servitude?

[Picairn]

hot take: felony disenfranchisement is unconstitutional because of the fifteenth amendment.

"Previous condition of servitude". Yeah if they still bar felony prisoners from voting after they have served their time, it's probably unconstitutional.

[Picairn]

Hm, depends on whether you consider a prison inmate job to be servitude. Even then that leaves the inmates who couldn't do a job at the prison because of medical issues.

The 13th Amendment bans slavery and involuntary servitude except as a punishment for prison sentences. So I believe the amendment explicitly allows servitude in prison.

[Eahland]

This^^^

Liz Cheney is wildly conservative and liberals would hate her any other time. She just falls into the Romney or McCain camp where they oppose Trump and are thus hated for it.

Oh, I despise her opinions, I just find it somewhat funny that someone as ... republican... as she is is being excluded by the party. I mean, pretty much everything she supports is part of what used to be the republican platform. She is about as Republican as you can get, and the party is kicking her out of leadership.

Note that they've also declared the last two Republican Presidential candidates to be enemies of the state for the crime of not bowing to their bloated orange god, as well as Trump's own VP for the crime of failing to exercise his (non-existent) power to overturn the legitimate election results and install Trump as President-for-Life.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Oh, I despise her opinions, I just find it somewhat funny that someone as ... republican... as she is is being excluded by the party. I mean, pretty much everything she supports is part of what used to be the republican platform. She is about as Republican as you can get, and the party is kicking her out of leadership.

Note that they've also declared the last two Republican Presidential candidates to be enemies of the state for the crime of not bowing to their bloated orange god, as well as Trump's own VP for the crime of failing to exercise his (non-existent) power to overturn the legitimate election results and install Trump as President-for-Life.

I give up trying to explain it to you guys, just kidding, I will never give up trying to explain it to you guys. I am officially back from my long vacation sooner than I expected.

[Kowani]

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[Sincluda]

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When I saw this I was going to laugh, until I realized that the tweet was from Ted Cruz. Which meant that he was serious. The fact that this is a serious concern is seriously concerning.

[Necroghastia]

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Wh... how does...
I'm morbidly curious as to what goes on in the heads of Cruz and people like him, but also I feel like such knowledge would be Lovecraft-tier mind destroying.

...Which honestly would explain a lot.

[Picairn]

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The Biden Malaise^TM. This is like the 70s again. /s

[Eahland]

Note that they've also declared the last two Republican Presidential candidates to be enemies of the state for the crime of not bowing to their bloated orange god, as well as Trump's own VP for the crime of failing to exercise his (non-existent) power to overturn the legitimate election results and install Trump as President-for-Life.

I give up trying to explain it to you guys, just kidding, I will never give up trying to explain it to you guys. I am officially back from my long vacation sooner than I expected.

I foe-listed you months ago so that I don't have to look at the endless streams of meaningless drivel you spew. Do not reply to me.

[The United Confederacy of Texas]

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i'm guessing ted cruz doesn't know you could just buy the sauce in bottles at walmart

[Borderlands of Rojava]

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The thanks Obama meme in real life.

[Shrillland]

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Wh... how does...
I'm morbidly curious as to what goes on in the heads of Cruz and people like him, but also I feel like such knowledge would be Lovecraft-tier mind destroying.

...Which honestly would explain a lot.

Well, I went down a few spots, and basically, they're blaming Biden for the gas shortages, the elevation in Gaza, and rising inflation, all of which leads to sauce becoming more expensive to cart around the country, thus leading to shortages at that most holy of restaurants...even though Biden didn't cause any of these things to happen.

[Drew Durrnil]

Note that they've also declared the last two Republican Presidential candidates to be enemies of the state for the crime of not bowing to their bloated orange god, as well as Trump's own VP for the crime of failing to exercise his (non-existent) power to overturn the legitimate election results and install Trump as President-for-Life.

I give up trying to explain it to you guys, just kidding, I will never give up trying to explain it to you guys. I am officially back from my long vacation sooner than I expected.

why not, you're obviously wrong

[Comerciante]

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Those gosh darn Yankees!

How dare they restrict the free market and our right to creamy goodness! I daresay we better rise again against this Tyranny!

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Wh... how does...
I'm morbidly curious as to what goes on in the heads of Cruz and people like him, but also I feel like such knowledge would be Lovecraft-tier mind destroying.

...Which honestly would explain a lot.

Well, I went down a few spots, and basically, they're blaming Biden for the gas shortages, the elevation in Gaza, and rising inflation, all of which leads to sauce becoming more expensive to cart around the country, thus leading to shortages at that most holy of restaurants...even though Biden didn't cause any of these things to happen.

"If trump was in charge this wouldn't be happening." Well actually it would be because that junk food addict would have eaten all the sauce in America.

[Picairn]

Well, I went down a few spots, and basically, they're blaming Biden for the gas shortages, the elevation in Gaza, and rising inflation, all of which leads to sauce becoming more expensive to cart around the country, thus leading to shortages at that most holy of restaurants...even though Biden didn't cause any of these things to happen.

Lel they don't know that the US has been a net oil exporter since November 2019? This isn't 1973.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Well, I went down a few spots, and basically, they're blaming Biden for the gas shortages, the elevation in Gaza, and rising inflation, all of which leads to sauce becoming more expensive to cart around the country, thus leading to shortages at that most holy of restaurants...even though Biden didn't cause any of these things to happen.

Lel they don't know that the US has been a net oil exporter since November 2019? This isn't 1973.

They're living in 1873.

[Shrillland]

Well, I went down a few spots, and basically, they're blaming Biden for the gas shortages, the elevation in Gaza, and rising inflation, all of which leads to sauce becoming more expensive to cart around the country, thus leading to shortages at that most holy of restaurants...even though Biden didn't cause any of these things to happen.

"They" being C-f-A ?

Can we get a right winger in here, to explain how it's acceptable for some corporations to openly interfere in politics, but not others?

Maybe "Chick-fill-A aren't a corporation, they're a small business" ?
Or "C-f-A are only interfering in Federal politics, that makes it all right" ?
Or the good old "It's OK if you're a Republican" ?

Anyone? GMS even?

No, they being other Right Tweeting folk. George Papadopoulous amongst them. Yes, the Tweet's from yesterday, but I've seen others in response to Cruz's using similar logic.

[Stellar Colonies]

Lel they don't know that the US has been a net oil exporter since November 2019? This isn't 1973.

Um, the US imports oil from Canada. Who is the US exporting oil to, that over-compensates for that?

EDIT: Also, did you somehow miss that hackers shut down a pipeline through the American South, days ago?

Net exporter in general, but many regions of the country are apparently net importers with the Gulf Coast dragging us over the line to being an exporter.

Edit: Possibly out of date, actually.