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The proposals to end the BBC licence fee agreement are:

An excellent idea; the socialists at the BBC have leeched off the British public for far too long.
48
18%
An idea I'm open to discussing, though I have reservations about the timing and the specifics.
15
6%
A bad idea as framed; I'm open to reform of BBC funding, but not like this, and not now.
28
11%
A terrible idea that the government is using to advance a cynical culture war agenda to save Johnson's skin.
80
30%
I have an altar to Sir David Attenborough in my living room and have watched every episode of Dr Who.
25
9%
Wait... you Brits actually have to pay for a TV licence?
68
26%
 
Total votes : 264

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 07, 2021 4:05 am

Poe's Law reigning on the Labour subreddit:

It aches my heart to see Labour losing like this. It pains me to see our so called heartlands refuse to show up and vote, I wish I could show these people what we benefit from being in the EU, what we gain from diversity. We're meant to be the party of tolerance and acceptance, not infithing and name-calling.

I can see exactly how our new modern Britain benefits from this thinking. I can go for a stroll in Shoreditch and see right away how diversity has beenfitted the local community, I could have a Lebanese breakfast on the pavement where the owner is always happy to greet me, go to a community run market or street art demonstration. I could go to my parents house in Cambridge, a seat still staunchly Labour, moated by backward thinking Tory seats. I could take them for a cycle through Mill Road, past the New Cambridge Mosque, a community funded brotherhood, all the businesses and property is run by them, but racism stops certain people from seeing that. A few hundred metres later and the Latinx/Continental community kicks in and you are greeted by the sounds of their culture and food, the bustling feel at all hours of the day.

But no, they can't see that, they sit in their run-down towns being told what to think by racists like Farage and Tommy Robinson and eating fish and chips, refusing to hear any viewpoints but their own. I think it's time we cut them loose and stop trying to pander to them because it is holding us all back as a nation.


Replies range from engaging with him like he's serious and being all "Yeah, how do we convince those backwards troglodytes living in run down towns of the wonders of our way of life which racism prevents them enjoying?" and "Guys. He's taking the piss of you.".
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri May 07, 2021 4:17 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Poe's Law reigning on the Labour subreddit:

It aches my heart to see Labour losing like this. It pains me to see our so called heartlands refuse to show up and vote, I wish I could show these people what we benefit from being in the EU, what we gain from diversity. We're meant to be the party of tolerance and acceptance, not infithing and name-calling.

I can see exactly how our new modern Britain benefits from this thinking. I can go for a stroll in Shoreditch and see right away how diversity has beenfitted the local community, I could have a Lebanese breakfast on the pavement where the owner is always happy to greet me, go to a community run market or street art demonstration. I could go to my parents house in Cambridge, a seat still staunchly Labour, moated by backward thinking Tory seats. I could take them for a cycle through Mill Road, past the New Cambridge Mosque, a community funded brotherhood, all the businesses and property is run by them, but racism stops certain people from seeing that. A few hundred metres later and the Latinx/Continental community kicks in and you are greeted by the sounds of their culture and food, the bustling feel at all hours of the day.

But no, they can't see that, they sit in their run-down towns being told what to think by racists like Farage and Tommy Robinson and eating fish and chips, refusing to hear any viewpoints but their own. I think it's time we cut them loose and stop trying to pander to them because it is holding us all back as a nation.


Replies range from engaging with him like he's serious and being all "Yeah, how do we convince those backwards troglodytes living in run down towns of the wonders of our way of life which racism prevents them enjoying?" and "Guys. He's taking the piss of you.".


Haha, that's a good read. :lol:
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 4:22 am

Three more councils called:

Derby remains Conservative-led NOC, but we knew that already
Labour HOLD Lincoln
Labour HOLD Wolverhampton

Reform UK got their first two seats in Derby.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 4:38 am

Another call: Conservatives HOLD Brentwood

So, after 20 councils, here's the state of play:

Conservatives: 264/8(+63/+4)
Labour: 173/8(-68/-1
Liberal Democrats: 63(+3)
Greens: 9(+5)
Reform UK: 2(+2)
Residents' Parties: 9(+5)
Independents: 24(0)

NOC Councils: 4(3 Conserative-led, 1 Liberal Democrat-led)
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 5:11 am

And another: Conservatives HOLD Derbyshire

They aren't even waiting for all the seats anymore to make the calls, Derbyshire's still got 18 seats uncalled, but the Tories have taken 6 from Labour there so far. Thankfully, Edwina Currie was not one of them.

Oh, and the Conservatives also took their first PCC...which is also the first PCC being called, in Cleveland away from Labour.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri May 07, 2021 5:21 am

First constituency result from Scotland, and....

LibDems win Orkney (duh; though winning with 62.4% of the vote is mildly impressive), and take the lead in the Scottish Parliament election! They currently hold 100% of all declared Scottish constituency seats!


More seriously, I would gently remind fellow Scots who are tempted to declare that the LibDems are irrelevant in Scotland that by doing so you're implicitly stating that you also believe that Orkney and Shetland are irrelevant.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 5:24 am

SNP just got a hold too, in Aberdeen Donside.
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Postby Pomeron » Fri May 07, 2021 5:33 am

I would like to see Labour return to relevance in Scotland and a successful tactical Unionist vote but I hold out little hope for it.

I honestly thought Labour would win Hartlepool. Wasn't even close when the result was announced. If they cannot win in these places... How does the party change to do so?

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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 5:36 am

We have our first Cymraeg constituency result: in Montgomeryshire, the Conservatives hold the seat with MS Russell George 6% of the vote and a swing of 16% away from Plaid Cymru. Technically, the Lib Dems were in second last time, but they lost a huge share of the vote this time to PC and Labour and came in third this time.
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Postby Philjia » Fri May 07, 2021 5:42 am

The Archregimancy wrote:First constituency result from Scotland, and....

LibDems win Orkney (duh; though winning with 62.4% of the vote is mildly impressive), and take the lead in the Scottish Parliament election! They currently hold 100% of all declared Scottish constituency seats!


More seriously, I would gently remind fellow Scots who are tempted to declare that the LibDems are irrelevant in Scotland that by doing so you're implicitly stating that you also believe that Orkney and Shetland are irrelevant.

Here Arch, can we get a Lib Dem perspective on the party's gains in Sunderland?
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 5:43 am

Heading back to England: Conservatives hold Essex
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 07, 2021 5:45 am

Pomeron wrote:I would like to see Labour return to relevance in Scotland and a successful tactical Unionist vote but I hold out little hope for it.

I honestly thought Labour would win Hartlepool. Wasn't even close when the result was announced. If they cannot win in these places... How does the party change to do so?

Find a clear message and policy. stop being so indecisive. Find a strategy to win.

Give people a reason to vote for you. Take lessons from Trudeau and Biden.

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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 5:49 am

SNP hold Na h-Eileanan an Iar(Western Islands)
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri May 07, 2021 5:51 am

San Lumen wrote:
Pomeron wrote:I would like to see Labour return to relevance in Scotland and a successful tactical Unionist vote but I hold out little hope for it.

I honestly thought Labour would win Hartlepool. Wasn't even close when the result was announced. If they cannot win in these places... How does the party change to do so?

Find a clear message and policy. stop being so indecisive. Find a strategy to win.

Give people a reason to vote for you. Take lessons from Trudeau and Biden.


You can't learn anything from Biden, he only really just beat Trump by tiny margins in a few key states. If he had anything groundbreaking about him he'd have smashed him out the park.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 5:52 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Find a clear message and policy. stop being so indecisive. Find a strategy to win.

Give people a reason to vote for you. Take lessons from Trudeau and Biden.


You can't learn anything from Biden, he only really just beat Trump by tiny margins in a few key states. If he had anything groundbreaking about him he'd have smashed him out the park.


Not quite. The US is so politically entrenched and voter suppression so rampant in certain states that it can be quite difficult for opinions to translate to votes.
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri May 07, 2021 5:55 am

SNP HOLD Clydebank & Milngavie. Should be noted the SNP are marginally down and had a swing of over 5.5% to Labour.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 07, 2021 5:57 am

Dresderstan wrote:SNP HOLD Clydebank & Milngavie. Should be noted the SNP are marginally down and had a swing of over 5.5% to Labour.

Perhaps Labor could gain some seats in the parliament?

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Postby Dresderstan » Fri May 07, 2021 5:58 am

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:SNP HOLD Clydebank & Milngavie. Should be noted the SNP are marginally down and had a swing of over 5.5% to Labour.

Perhaps Labor could gain some seats in the parliament?

Possibly, another thing should be noted the Tories down 7% in that constituency alone, there could very well be some sort of tactical voting, but one can't be too sure.

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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 5:59 am

Dresderstan wrote:SNP HOLD Clydebank & Milngavie. Should be noted the SNP are marginally down and had a swing of over 5.5% to Labour.


That's the story with all the SNP seats so far it looks like, SNP holds but lower shares than before. They won't cross 65 at this rate, they'll need a strong Greens performance to keep the dream alive.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 5:59 am

Shoutout to the NIP and their 250 votes in Hartlepool.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri May 07, 2021 6:01 am

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Perhaps Labor could gain some seats in the parliament?

Possibly, another thing should be noted the Tories down 7% in that constituency alone, there could very well be some sort of tactical voting, but one can't be too sure.


I think there might be a lot of that going on. Whichever party is second to the SNP in a seat will see an increase and the others a decrease. Nationally it should even out but it might provide some intresting indervidual results.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 07, 2021 6:01 am

How many councillor seats are up for grabs this election? Its like 5k or something right or have i made that number up
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Postby Dresderstan » Fri May 07, 2021 6:03 am

Shrillland wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:SNP HOLD Clydebank & Milngavie. Should be noted the SNP are marginally down and had a swing of over 5.5% to Labour.


That's the story with all the SNP seats so far it looks like, SNP holds but lower shares than before. They won't cross 65 at this rate, they'll need a strong Greens performance to keep the dream alive.

It could be one of the few glimmers of hope Labour could have if they do better in Scotland than expected.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:How many councillor seats are up for grabs this election? Its like 5k or something right or have i made that number up

No, it's about 5,000.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Fri May 07, 2021 6:03 am

Shrillland wrote:SNP hold Na h-Eileanan an Iar(Western Islands)


Balanced out by a Labour hold in Gondolin.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 07, 2021 6:04 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:How many councillor seats are up for grabs this election? Its like 5k or something right or have i made that number up


In that area, yes. As of right now, 697 of those seats have been chosen.
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