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by Laka Strolistandiler » Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:44 am
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by Gallia- » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:03 am
by Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:12 am
by Laka Strolistandiler » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:27 am
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Ok I know you need something like Boarding Torpedos.How about let it insert half of the projectile into the cabin of the ship like an armor piercing bullet.The steel plates of civil ships are not too thick, and there are some watertight cabins. So as long as you don't detonate hundreds of kilograms of explosives in the torpedo, the ship won't sink .It can't go on because its Watertight compartments is damaged.
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by Laka Strolistandiler » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:32 am
Gallia- wrote:Surfacing and deploying a rubber motorboat out of a hangar will work. Merchant ships are big enough that firing a relatively small torpedo might get them to stop.
Or you could just do what actual U-boat crews did and fire a deck gun at them while shouting "drop anchor" through a megaphone.
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by Gallia- » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:40 am
by The Akasha Colony » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:01 am
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:Ok I know you need something like Boarding Torpedos.How about let it insert half of the projectile into the cabin of the ship like an armor piercing bullet.The steel plates of civil ships are not too thick, and there are some watertight cabins. So as long as you don't detonate hundreds of kilograms of explosives in the torpedo, the ship won't sink .It can't go on because its Watertight compartments is damaged.
by Gallia- » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:04 am
by Vagonia » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:21 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Question: need help designing a torpedo that attaches to the attacked vessel
So basically since I’m planning on participating in an RP where I will RP as, basically, U-boat pirates, I need some sort of a way to take the vessels hostage. I suppose, having a torpedo that, after hitting the target, somehow attaches itself to it and then can be remotely detonated if the target fails to surrender woul be neat.
Now, the only problem is that I cant come up with a way to make the torpedo attach int self to the target. Can you help me?
P.S. I know that this concept is absurd but if I want underwater pirates imma get underwater pirates bruh.
by Laka Strolistandiler » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:43 am
Gallia- wrote:A deck gun can clear out the rent-a-cops that might deter Somalis with their .50 cals and FN SCARs. What merchant ship, or piracy target, is armed with anti-shipping missiles? If you're in a submarine you're not looking to fight warships, and you usually have the luxury of being able to observe and match a ship's equipment fit with particular classes of warship, unlike Somali pirates.
Professional boarders, or submarine pirates or whatever, shouldn't have any trouble controlling a dozen or so merchantmen who crew modern cargo ships. Especially not after hitting the superstructure with whatever-flavor-of-medium-caliber-cannon you want.
Historic U-boat crews would just surface and fire deck guns at a merchant ship. Then board it. That was before people started putting big deck guns on a merchant ship, but no one does this these days, and probably wouldn't when there are better options (like helicopters).
While a torpedo that drops a limpet mine on the side of a boat is entirely doable, I don't see what it adds for a pirate gang. It might be useful for some sort of sabotage in a lock or narrow region of water (it detonates when the ship is in a canal or something) it isn't going to help you be a pirate. Just shoot a normal torpedo at the boat. Or surface and fire a deck gun, since you'll need to surface to board the ship anyway because you need to get up on the side of the ship with ropes or grapnels or nets or something. Both are actually things that will stop the ship and make it easier to board.
Ideally the deck gun is most useful since it damages only the superstructure and not the running gear, which you need to be able to abscond with your booty of name brand T-shirts and tinned canteloupes.
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by Gallia- » Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:23 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Gallia- wrote:A deck gun can clear out the rent-a-cops that might deter Somalis with their .50 cals and FN SCARs. What merchant ship, or piracy target, is armed with anti-shipping missiles? If you're in a submarine you're not looking to fight warships, and you usually have the luxury of being able to observe and match a ship's equipment fit with particular classes of warship, unlike Somali pirates.
Professional boarders, or submarine pirates or whatever, shouldn't have any trouble controlling a dozen or so merchantmen who crew modern cargo ships. Especially not after hitting the superstructure with whatever-flavor-of-medium-caliber-cannon you want.
Historic U-boat crews would just surface and fire deck guns at a merchant ship. Then board it. That was before people started putting big deck guns on a merchant ship, but no one does this these days, and probably wouldn't when there are better options (like helicopters).
While a torpedo that drops a limpet mine on the side of a boat is entirely doable, I don't see what it adds for a pirate gang. It might be useful for some sort of sabotage in a lock or narrow region of water (it detonates when the ship is in a canal or something) it isn't going to help you be a pirate. Just shoot a normal torpedo at the boat. Or surface and fire a deck gun, since you'll need to surface to board the ship anyway because you need to get up on the side of the ship with ropes or grapnels or nets or something. Both are actually things that will stop the ship and make it easier to board.
Ideally the deck gun is most useful since it damages only the superstructure and not the running gear, which you need to be able to abscond with your booty of name brand T-shirts and tinned canteloupes.
Well, the problem is that the piracy thing is going to happen while a conventional WW3 (yay u-boat privateers) and as such we can expect the pirated vessels to be quite heavily protected- probably some kind of CIWS systems, or at least the equivalent of Bofors 40 mm or something.
When I spoke of ASMs I meant that when the attacked ship will start to scream and shout at the radio, the enemy might and will send something to help him. This “something” is very likely to be a missile boat or a missile carrier plane that can easily send our surfaced and vulnerable boat to pieces.
Your proposal of using a boarding party gave me quite and idea... Equip the frogmen with C-4 explosive, have them follow the attacked ship using a mini-submarine or a underwater scooter or something, attach the explosive than take the vessel hostage and force it to stop and allow the frogmen to board it... Is this absurd?
by Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:44 pm
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Airfish 8, if I'm not mistaken, is a 17 meter wide WiG... that takes 170 meter minimum safe turn radius at 100 kts.
You're mistaken.
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Meanwhile a Cessna 208 pulling a 3g overloaded 75 degree hard-pull will manage 75 meters and 70% faster (time, 4.5 seconds for 180 degrees).
Yes, just like any other aircraft capable of sustaining a 75 degree bank at 100 knots - if it actually could. The problem is a Cessna 208 has a clean stall speed of ~75 knots so this is a good way to end up in an FAA report.
We've gone from "rocket-propelled dumptruck" to "normal published turning radius more than turns that either kill you or get your pilot's license revoked."
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
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by Gallia- » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:52 pm
-Turning Radius:
+Ground effect mode: ~ 160m
+Displacement mode: ~ 100m
Dtn wrote:The fairly hefty 100-knot Airfish 8 has a listed turn radius of 160 meters, which is a bank angle of 60 degrees
by Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:35 pm
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
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by Gallia- » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:02 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:39 pm
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
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by Dtn » Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:47 pm
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Rocket propelled dumptruck compared to a fast-boat like a SURC, yes. Roughly twice or thrice as fast but probably can't turn within its own length at the drop of a hat like a SURC.
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Also, if noping the arbitrary expletive out of a hostile controlled airspace and the worst thing I get for it is a sternly worded teletext requiesting I hand in my pilot's license, I'd say I'd be getting off pretty lucky.
If you were vaguely implying that such a plane would end up in an accelerated stall and ultimately a flat-spin, that's what recovery-altitude is for. A WiG won't have that sort of safety margin, at all; which is kinda the point.
by Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:07 pm
Dtn wrote:Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Rocket propelled dumptruck compared to a fast-boat like a SURC, yes. Roughly twice or thrice as fast but probably can't turn within its own length at the drop of a hat like a SURC.
A SURC is a rocket-propelled dumptruck compared to a zero-turn radius lawnmower. Compared to a comparable aircraft or boat the WIG has a slight advantage due to ground effect.
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Also, if noping the arbitrary expletive out of a hostile controlled airspace and the worst thing I get for it is a sternly worded teletext requiesting I hand in my pilot's license, I'd say I'd be getting off pretty lucky.
If you were vaguely implying that such a plane would end up in an accelerated stall and ultimately a flat-spin, that's what recovery-altitude is for. A WiG won't have that sort of safety margin, at all; which is kinda the point.
Does this hypothetical situation involve Don Karnage lol
[/quote]Gallia- wrote:
This was more about length versus width but note this is the normal listed turning radius. They're not going to list whatever it is for a "3g overloaded 75 degree hard-pull turn" because nobody wants to certify their boat as an aerobatic plane.
I suppose if you have to resort to airshow tricks for some reason the WIG could just land, turn in whatever arbitrary length, then take off again but this is fairly boring compared to doing a reverse half Cuban eight - which of course is a perfectly normal way planes turn around.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
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by Dtn » Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:35 pm
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:A SURC is actually comparable in size, displacement, payload, and horsepower to an Airfish. Bigger, actually.
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:I'm presuming you're getting shot at, as the whole start of this was discussion was the use of WiGs as a v. fast torpedo-boat or something.
So getting shot at is kinda going to be a thing, so making a hasty course-reversal is kinda important.
If you're making your run-up and attack-run with your WiG being a boat for a better turn-radius/escape-time, then why not just use a boat that's a boat the whole time?
Especially if boat can do things planes cannot
by Miku the Based » Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:52 pm
by Hurtful Thoughts » Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:23 pm
Miku the Based wrote:Well, originally I had the question of if wig aircraft fit the purpose of a low profile craft for anti-sub anti-ship role (the original role) in this day and age. That doesn't need fancy turning or aerobatics, just not having blip on radar before being able to do its thing.
The second is more general but geared to fancy insertion and exfil of things and people without having blip on radar and other imaging systems, it also does not need fancy turns at high speed the purpose I need it for is to avoid getting in close fights. I guess also making it dual purpose and have torpedos and missiles slapped on it is a plus.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
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by Gallia- » Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:20 am
Miku the Based wrote:Well, originally I had the question of if wig aircraft fit the purpose of a low profile craft for anti-sub anti-ship role (the original role) in this day and age. That doesn't need fancy turning or aerobatics, just not having blip on radar before being able to do its thing.
The second is more general but geared to fancy insertion and exfil of things and people without having blip on radar and other imaging systems, it also does not need fancy turns at high speed the purpose I need it for is to avoid getting in close fights. I guess also making it dual purpose and have torpedos and missiles slapped on it is a plus.
by Miku the Based » Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:40 am
Gallia- wrote:Just use a submarine.
by Cossack Peoples » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:44 pm
"You give a monkey a stick, inevitably he’ll beat another monkey to death with it."
— Sadavir Errinwright, Expanse S2E12
by Gallia- » Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:10 pm
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