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by Lapis Lazului » Wed Mar 31, 2021 8:31 am
by The Central Union of Nation States » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:24 pm
by Kernen » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:33 pm
by Nevertopia » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:35 pm
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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by Tsarus 2142 » Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:38 pm
Nevertopia wrote:when have farms not been important? civilizations live or die based on their agriculture.
by The Capitalist States of Avalon » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:36 am
by Ors Might » Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:55 pm
by Ors Might » Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:58 am
Mystickystuff wrote:Ors Might wrote:The whole natural vs unnatural paradigm is a spook. Humans are natural creatures and what we do is thus part of nature. Agriculture is no more unnatural than, say, an anthill.
Well that's very rational. But having destroyed the point of the post by attacking one word of it, was there something you wanted to add?
by Lapis Lazului » Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:05 am
by Krasny-Volny » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:02 am
Lapis Lazului wrote:I live and work on a farm and I am starting to feel like some of you people of the world care none for good food anymore. All I see is people eating are a bunch of foods with chemicals on them that are not okay for you to keep eating so I want to know yalls thoughts on Farming and good agriculture.
by Katganistan » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:46 am
by Universil-Unoyz Wintarros » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:55 am
Ors Might wrote:Tsarus 2142 wrote:civilizations indeed revolve around agrarianism, however agriculture has only been around like 2% of our human existence and is thus unnatural to us.
The whole natural vs unnatural paradigm is a spook. Humans are natural creatures and what we do is thus part of nature. Agriculture is no more unnatural than, say, an anthill.
by Katganistan » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:59 am
Lapis Lazului wrote:Adamede wrote:I’m referring to lab/vat grown meat. Doesn’t come form an animal, as far as I’m consented it counts as synthetic.
I’m on mobile. Meant to type particular animal.
What I’m saying is that instead of spending a lot of money on feed and vaccines and shit you can grow vast more amounts of meat form that animal in a vat for cheaper (once it becomes common place), making the meat cheaper than naturally grown meat.
It may be cheaper but it does not have all the good nutrients you get from a animal that eats what it wants to and sleeps when it wants to, so basically a free animal is better then some science created one. We can't just play god anymore we have to accept that he is better then thee. And I also know there are people out there who believe in something else and then there are those who don't believe in anything and I am not against any of you I am simply expressing my opinion through the freedom of speech. Alright, there it is.
by Heloin » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:01 am
Universil-Unoyz Wintarros wrote:Ors Might wrote:The whole natural vs unnatural paradigm is a spook. Humans are natural creatures and what we do is thus part of nature. Agriculture is no more unnatural than, say, an anthill.
Reread what I said, and understand why I said it.
We as humans have done one thing for hundreds of thousands of years only for a surprising acceleration into a much different lifestyle.
Just because we are prt of nature does not make civilization natural. And whether it even is natural or not is irrelevant, when what is important is the conflict between agrarianism and our human nature.
by The Blaatschapen » Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:07 pm
Katganistan wrote:Lapis Lazului wrote:It may be cheaper but it does not have all the good nutrients you get from a animal that eats what it wants to and sleeps when it wants to, so basically a free animal is better then some science created one. We can't just play god anymore we have to accept that he is better then thee. And I also know there are people out there who believe in something else and then there are those who don't believe in anything and I am not against any of you I am simply expressing my opinion through the freedom of speech. Alright, there it is.
This doesn't make sense, sorry. If God meant man to fly, we'd have wings -- but we didn't, and created gliders, airplanes, etc.
If God meant man not to die of smallpox, we'd be naturally immune -- but instead we created a vaccine.
God gave us brains to use them.
by Universil-Unoyz Wintarros » Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:26 pm
Heloin wrote:Universil-Unoyz Wintarros wrote:
Reread what I said, and understand why I said it.
We as humans have done one thing for hundreds of thousands of years only for a surprising acceleration into a much different lifestyle.
Just because we are prt of nature does not make civilization natural. And whether it even is natural or not is irrelevant, when what is important is the conflict between agrarianism and our human nature.
Makes about as much sense as complaining when children don't die of preventable diseases since we weren't naturally immune to them.
by Heloin » Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:43 pm
Universil-Unoyz Wintarros wrote:Heloin wrote:Makes about as much sense as complaining when children don't die of preventable diseases since we weren't naturally immune to them.
Lol I’m not denying that nature is an extremely hostile environment compared to this society of safety cushions. This hostility has made us strong though, nowadays that strength is being unraveled by ceaseless coddling.
by Esternial » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:44 pm
by Universil-Unoyz Wintarros » Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:57 pm
Heloin wrote:Universil-Unoyz Wintarros wrote:
Lol I’m not denying that nature is an extremely hostile environment compared to this society of safety cushions. This hostility has made us strong though, nowadays that strength is being unraveled by ceaseless coddling.
Then you don't know what you're talking about. But that was already clear when you started saying humanity is going to abandon farming in 100 years.
by Adamede » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:19 pm
Universil-Unoyz Wintarros wrote:Ors Might wrote:The whole natural vs unnatural paradigm is a spook. Humans are natural creatures and what we do is thus part of nature. Agriculture is no more unnatural than, say, an anthill.
Reread what I said, and understand why I said it.
We as humans have done one thing for hundreds of thousands of years only for a surprising acceleration into a much different lifestyle.
Just because we are prt of nature does not make civilization natural. And whether it even is natural or not is irrelevant, when what is important is the conflict between agrarianism and our human nature.
by Universil-Unoyz Wintarros » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:07 pm
Adamede wrote:Universil-Unoyz Wintarros wrote:
Reread what I said, and understand why I said it.
We as humans have done one thing for hundreds of thousands of years only for a surprising acceleration into a much different lifestyle.
Just because we are prt of nature does not make civilization natural. And whether it even is natural or not is irrelevant, when what is important is the conflict between agrarianism and our human nature.
Human nature is overrated.
And not letting our children die to starvation or preventable disease isnt “coddling”.
How about you get off the computer and go live as a hunter gatherer?
by Heloin » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:28 pm
Universil-Unoyz Wintarros wrote:Heloin wrote:Then you don't know what you're talking about. But that was already clear when you started saying humanity is going to abandon farming in 100 years.
How do I not know what I'm talking about? Is it that I havent weighed the drawbacks of a post industrial/agrarian society...? Because I have, and I view many of these drawbacks more as benefits.
And can you reference to me where I said we're going to abandon farming in 100 years? I did say globalism would probably collapse, likely further down the line, but never did I ever say we are going to abandon farming. If I did then it was a mistake.
Universil-Unoyz Wintarros wrote:Adamede wrote:Human nature is overrated.
And not letting our children die to starvation or preventable disease isnt “coddling”.
How about you get off the computer and go live as a hunter gatherer?
It's not even just about human nature ... It's about paleolithic living simply being a superior way of living overall. Life expectancy is usually 30 years (the best years of your life, keep in mind), no dealing with the health problems that come with older age. Food is extremely nutritious, you are forced to be healthy (can you complain?). You get up when you want to, you sleep when you want to. And when you are awake, you do what you want to do!
Oh but of course. You can just go to burger king and buy a whopper and a large sprite for like ten bucks if you are hungry! Life is great, right?
As for children dying within 5 years, it sucks and is unfortunate! Yeah, but it is extremely necessary. Unless we manage to find a way to never birth weak children this is how we would remain an adequate species. If down the road this system collapses, and we are left with a world of limp wristed urbanites who see the light of day a total of one hour every week... yeah we're going extinct. Or at least a hefty chunk of our population is going away.
And funny you say that. I'd love to join a tribe and learn to hunt/gather, except you have to pay for property to roam on, where I live...
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