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Is Derek Chauvin Guilty?

Yes, he was completely responsible.
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62%
I don’t know. I need more information first.
79
8%
No, Floyd had a heart attack.
75
7%
No, Floyd had a drug overdose.
194
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Other
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Total votes : 1014

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Postby Shofercia » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:37 pm



Maybe Derek Chauvin skipped the lesson on the importance of pulse like Anakin Skywalker skipped the lesson on the high ground?

But yeah, that pulse thing is important and it's a bit sad that the prosecution has to point it out.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:22 pm

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Someone defending Chauvin, blindly or not, would be rare.



Oh they are out there. Just not openly vocal about it. An in-law is rabid pro police. She is a 911 dispatcher and hangs out at social media sites where the police hang out. Her significant other died in the line of duty. (just an idea how she is aligned).

Even she admitted what Chauvin did was wrong. She also said she couldn’t say that online.....


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Postby Giovenith » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:18 pm

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Postby Rusozak » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:32 pm

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Ah, a 'no u'. Truly, a marvel of an argument.

So, are you gonna take me up on my suggestion or are you going to continue spouting lies so blatant literally anyone with access to the internet could disprove with one Google search?


Are you going to continue making statements that show a lack of basic medical knowledge and can be disproved by anyone who with access to google?


It is you who appears to be lacking knowledge. And something tells me you are making your arguments in bad faith. I haven't seen anyone so feverishly defend Chauvin as having done no wrong without some racial or elitist agenda behind it.
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If the defense had their way, lying on the ground being handcuffed would be categorized as “active aggression”
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:48 am

Kowani wrote:(Image)

If the defense had their way, lying on the ground being handcuffed would be categorized as “active aggression”

Yesterday, The defense was cross examing the training expert. I heard the snippet on the news.

Q. Do you teach knee on the neck
A. No
Q. But are their situations where a knee on the neck is appropriate?
A. well, yes.
Q. Like when trying to restrain a Suspect?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for additional needed police support?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for EMS
A. ... no, not that one.

I admit it, I laughed.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:39 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Kowani wrote:(Image)

If the defense had their way, lying on the ground being handcuffed would be categorized as “active aggression”

Yesterday, The defense was cross examing the training expert. I heard the snippet on the news.

Q. Do you teach knee on the neck
A. No
Q. But are their situations where a knee on the neck is appropriate?
A. well, yes.
Q. Like when trying to restrain a Suspect?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for additional needed police support?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for EMS
A. ... no, not that one.

I admit it, I laughed.


I imagine Chauvin putting his hands on his face and muttering "oh no I'm fucking screwed."
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:40 am

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Postby Esalia » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:56 am



They could be legal geniuses and I don't think they'd have a much better case than what they're trying here.

When you're explicitly caught on video kneeling on someone's neck for several minutes (which if the witnesses are anything to go by was not what you're supposed to do) until they die, your legal team is gonna have a pretty hard time getting you out of the charges thrown your way from the defence alone unless the prosecution are morons.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:48 pm


As all pendants know,, A double negative is a positive. So he was admitting it. Which i guess is a license to kill in Minnesota or something like that.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:15 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:

As all pendants know,, A double negative is a positive. So he was admitting it. Which i guess is a license to kill in Minnesota or something like that.


Chauvin is a grammar Nazi?

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:

As all pendants know,, A double negative is a positive. So he was admitting it. Which i guess is a license to kill in Minnesota or something like that.

Pendants don't know anything, they're inanimate pieces of jewelry.

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Postby Fahran » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:27 pm


I doubt it'll backfire altogether given we know Floyd had likely taken a speed ball (meth and fentanyl), but it's definitely not going to get Chauvin off either. I have no idea why they'd even waste the court's time with this unless they're just tossing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:45 pm

Fahran wrote:

I doubt it'll backfire altogether given we know Floyd had likely taken a speed ball (meth and fentanyl), but it's definitely not going to get Chauvin off either. I have no idea why they'd even waste the court's time with this unless they're just tossing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.

not what i mean
getting caught trying to mislead the jury with deceptive editing will do nothing but make them raise their bar for your evidence
juries are (unfortunately?) human, and we tend to become more skeptical when someone gets caught trying to manipulate us
no way it'd be the deciding bit at all-it just makes their job that much harder
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:00 pm

Fahran wrote:

I doubt it'll backfire altogether given we know Floyd had likely taken a speed ball (meth and fentanyl), but it's definitely not going to get Chauvin off either. I have no idea why they'd even waste the court's time with this unless they're just tossing stuff at the wall to see what sticks.


You never know what appeals to just one juror, but that is all it takes
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:06 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:As all pendants know,, A double negative is a positive. So he was admitting it. Which i guess is a license to kill in Minnesota or something like that.

Pendants don't know anything, they're inanimate pieces of jewelry.

:p

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Postby Shofercia » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:As all pendants know,, A double negative is a positive. So he was admitting it. Which i guess is a license to kill in Minnesota or something like that.


Chauvin is a grammar Nazi?


Plot twist!

I mean he's still going for jail for Homicide, and most likely Murder Three, but it's a plot twist. More of a Riann Johnson plot twist than a classic Jaws movie plot twist, but it's there. Ok, it's probably not a plot twist after all.


Ethel mermania wrote:
Kowani wrote:(Image)

If the defense had their way, lying on the ground being handcuffed would be categorized as “active aggression”

Yesterday, The defense was cross examing the training expert. I heard the snippet on the news.

Q. Do you teach knee on the neck
A. No
Q. But are their situations where a knee on the neck is appropriate?
A. well, yes.
Q. Like when trying to restrain a Suspect?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for additional needed police support?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for EMS
A. ... no, not that one.

I admit it, I laughed.


Why? I get why you laughed, but why would his lawyer ask that? I'd expect that from an SNL parody with Dave Chappelle.
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:46 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Chauvin is a grammar Nazi?


Plot twist!

I mean he's still going for jail for Homicide, and most likely Murder Three, but it's a plot twist. More of a Riann Johnson plot twist than a classic Jaws movie plot twist, but it's there. Ok, it's probably not a plot twist after all.


Ethel mermania wrote:Yesterday, The defense was cross examing the training expert. I heard the snippet on the news.

Q. Do you teach knee on the neck
A. No
Q. But are their situations where a knee on the neck is appropriate?
A. well, yes.
Q. Like when trying to restrain a Suspect?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for additional needed police support?
A. Yes
Q. When waiting for EMS
A. ... no, not that one.

I admit it, I laughed.


Why? I get why you laughed, but why would his lawyer ask that? I'd expect that from an SNL parody with Dave Chappelle.


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