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Postby TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:54 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
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If you take majime into account, and the fact that Senior High School in Japan is not legally mandated (In Japan you only have to go up until grade 9) it isn't sound so terrible. It is the equivalent getting mad at a Catholic Private School for making students take a class on Catholicism. In Japan, you are free to pick which secondary school you want to, it is similar to the college system in the US.

Majime is about the strictness and rigor, and due to declining population, now schools must compete to impress parents, and thus implement strict policies. While this case is a bit different, many schools in Japan say hair can't be dyed, since almost all native, full Japanese, Yamato people have black hair. It isn't as if in the US there isn't a dress code or rules about dyeing hair.

No, that's still bad. I don't like religious schools, but even that argument doesn'y hold up because people with dark hair don't have different practices from people wih lighter hair. The school has no reason to separate the students whatsoever, it's hair. The college thing also doesn't hold up, I'd be saying the same thing if it was an American college, even if we were practically an ethnostate.

There is a parallel to be drawn, though, because at one point we did have open state'supported segregation. Going "separate but equal" is ridiculous no matter where in the world you are.


The situation previously mentioned is different, but with most schools, the rule is that hair must be natural colored. Which would be a different practice from others to dye it. One doesn't have to understand the Japanese culture of majime to understand this rule, because this same exact rule is practiced in thousands of public and private schools across America as part of the dress code. Look it up... or attend a school here.

If Joe Biden can say that Uighur genocide in China represents cultural "different norms" then this small thing isn't really and issue at all.
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Postby Hatsunia » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:15 pm

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Yup it is an extremely conformist society. It is nice but very boring for someone like me lol.


I wouldn't call a society that abuses young girls this way "nice." Japan has alot of issues. It is a very advanced society technologically speaking but socially speaking it is definitely behind the west. It ranks low in gender equality, one party has had virtually all the power for decades, corporations hold sway over society and everyone is expected to be an unthinking pawn, always doing what they're told. And when someone says "no, fuck this, I dont wanna be an unthinking pawn," society abuses them. Some people hate when people dye their hair but to me, it's just another way of expressing oneself and not being just another clone. I dont dye my hair really bright colors, but if hair dying helps someone express their individuality then more power to them. Hopefully Japan will eventually change for the better and become a more equal, more individualist society. I would like to think they'll become less racist too but now I'm asking for too much.

Contrary to popular belief, there are also technological issues as well. Now what if it wasn't "behind"? That's the entire premise behind this country.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:28 pm

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:No, that's still bad. I don't like religious schools, but even that argument doesn'y hold up because people with dark hair don't have different practices from people wih lighter hair. The school has no reason to separate the students whatsoever, it's hair. The college thing also doesn't hold up, I'd be saying the same thing if it was an American college, even if we were practically an ethnostate.

There is a parallel to be drawn, though, because at one point we did have open state'supported segregation. Going "separate but equal" is ridiculous no matter where in the world you are.


The situation previously mentioned is different, but with most schools, the rule is that hair must be natural colored. Which would be a different practice from others to dye it. One doesn't have to understand the Japanese culture of majime to understand this rule, because this same exact rule is practiced in thousands of public and private schools across America as part of the dress code. Look it up... or attend a school here.

And I don't like dress codes in the US either. My schools all required me to put on really revealing uniforms for PE and I hated it. There's even less reason to make people keep their hair natural, though. What benefits could that possibly have?

Another thing: Toxic traditionalism isn't special. Every nationalist thinks their country is unique for having it, but in reality it's just a bad excuse to consider one's self superior. It's why we Americans won't shut up about how much we love the military and worship the flag, too. I know there are some unique, incredible things about Japan. I spent almost a month living with a Japanese host family as part of an exchange, and I loved it (especially the architecture, scenery, and food). I don't have to know 3 alphabets and grow up with typhoons to understand toxic traditionalism.
If Joe Biden can say that Uighur genocide in China represents cultural "different norms" then this small thing isn't really and issue at all.

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Postby TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:10 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
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The situation previously mentioned is different, but with most schools, the rule is that hair must be natural colored. Which would be a different practice from others to dye it. One doesn't have to understand the Japanese culture of majime to understand this rule, because this same exact rule is practiced in thousands of public and private schools across America as part of the dress code. Look it up... or attend a school here.

And I don't like dress codes in the US either. My schools all required me to put on really revealing uniforms for PE and I hated it. There's even less reason to make people keep their hair natural, though. What benefits could that possibly have?

Another thing: Toxic traditionalism isn't special. Every nationalist thinks their country is unique for having it, but in reality it's just a bad excuse to consider one's self superior. It's why we Americans won't shut up about how much we love the military and worship the flag, too. I know there are some unique, incredible things about Japan. I spent almost a month living with a Japanese host family as part of an exchange, and I loved it (especially the architecture, scenery, and food). I don't have to know 3 alphabets and grow up with typhoons to understand toxic traditionalism.
If Joe Biden can say that Uighur genocide in China represents cultural "different norms" then this small thing isn't really and issue at all.

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Benefits to keep hair natural? Wow where do I start? From the Japanese school perspective it is called distracting. I'm not sure about that but in general, dyeing hair causes damage which could lead it to fall out as one ages or become brittle and fall out. I am not sure if you are actually Asian, but it is hard to make black hair blonde or some light color. It requires a lot of treatment to basically bleach it which is harmful to the hair.

As an American I don't see why you would consider love for the military and respect for the flag to be toxic traditionalism... it is patriotism.

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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:13 pm

>hair bleaching is hard
Man I tell ya paying my hairdresser 20 bucks and sitting there really took it out of me, really exhausting
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:24 pm

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:And I don't like dress codes in the US either. My schools all required me to put on really revealing uniforms for PE and I hated it. There's even less reason to make people keep their hair natural, though. What benefits could that possibly have?

Another thing: Toxic traditionalism isn't special. Every nationalist thinks their country is unique for having it, but in reality it's just a bad excuse to consider one's self superior. It's why we Americans won't shut up about how much we love the military and worship the flag, too. I know there are some unique, incredible things about Japan. I spent almost a month living with a Japanese host family as part of an exchange, and I loved it (especially the architecture, scenery, and food). I don't have to know 3 alphabets and grow up with typhoons to understand toxic traditionalism.

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Benefits to keep hair natural? Wow where do I start? From the Japanese school perspective it is called distracting.

I think you overestimate the distraction it causes. It's hair, and it's none of the school's business what someone does to it.
I'm not sure about that but in general, dyeing hair causes damage which could lead it to fall out as one ages or become brittle and fall out.

Sounds like you need to better regulate what products get sold and keep angerous ones of the market.
I am not sure if you are actually Asian, but it is hard to make black hair blonde or some light color.

I'm not Asian, and while I don't have blonde hair it's not black either.
It requires a lot of treatment to basically bleach it which is harmful to the hair.

So regulate the industry to prevent products that cause long term damage from reaching the market, there are definitely safer ways.


As an American I don't see why you would consider love for the military and respect for the flag to be toxic traditionalism... it is patriotism.

It is patriotism as well, but it's still incredibly toxic because we're celebrating an organization that's dedicated to terrorizing the rest of the world.


I get that, but I don't get how it's related.
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Postby TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:25 pm

Kubra wrote:>hair bleaching is hard
Man I tell ya paying my hairdresser 20 bucks and sitting there really took it out of me, really exhausting


That is because your hair isn't dark black like the vast majority of Japanese.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:32 pm

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
Kubra wrote:>hair bleaching is hard
Man I tell ya paying my hairdresser 20 bucks and sitting there really took it out of me, really exhausting


That is because your hair isn't dark black like the vast majority of Japanese.
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It's funny that you think this
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:26 am

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
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Conformism is really bad for innovation though and innovation is what matters in this world.


If you want to talk about innovation, then you would know an innovation means nothing without a solid marketing strategy.

In this case, education is the "innovation"; it is the product being sold.

The marketing strategy of the schools is to impress parents about the level of majime their school has. So thus the school implements strict policies. It isn't conformism if you are free to apply to a different school. As I said before, in Japan senior high school has a system like college in the US. You only have to go up until grade 9, and then you take entrance exams and apply for whichever high school you want to go there. You are basically calling a dress code conformism.



That may be true in a legal sense, but societal convention makes it all but compulsory if you want to succeed in the dog-eat-dog rat race that is Japanese education and, by extension, in life. There's a reason Japan's youth suicide rate is as notoriously high as it is.
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Postby Nekostan-e Gharbi » Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:29 am

Shrillland wrote:
TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
If you want to talk about innovation, then you would know an innovation means nothing without a solid marketing strategy.

In this case, education is the "innovation"; it is the product being sold.

The marketing strategy of the schools is to impress parents about the level of majime their school has. So thus the school implements strict policies. It isn't conformism if you are free to apply to a different school. As I said before, in Japan senior high school has a system like college in the US. You only have to go up until grade 9, and then you take entrance exams and apply for whichever high school you want to go there. You are basically calling a dress code conformism.



That may be true in a legal sense, but societal convention makes it all but compulsory if you want to succeed in the dog-eat-dog rat race that is Japanese education and, by extension, in life. There's a reason Japan's youth suicide rate is as notoriously high as it is.


This is a part of the high price people in and from NE Asia have paid to make sure that we continue to exist for in terms of environment there are not many places more deficient in terms of flora and fauna in the past. If the NE Asian rat race didn’t exist the people would have been exterminated by maybe even ancient East Iranians and there would have been no need for Islam or West European colonization to happen.

Whenever you observe reduced genetic diversity you observe historical horrors. As humans left Africa lots of horrors have happened. Yet other than among Jewish people there are generally no example of mutational load as high as folks in NE Asia which is evidence of unusually intense competition for survival.
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Japan will always create a committee or a position for this and that problem without doing anything.

Aside from being the Minister of Loneliness, this guy, Tetsushi Sakamoto, is also:
- Minister for Promoting Dynamic Engagement of All Citizens
- Minister of State for Measures for Declining Birthrate
- Minister of State for Regional Revitalization

It would be ludicrous to expect him to properly immerse himself in all these issues at once.

As a side note: "Engineers in Japan previously designed a robot to hold someone's hand when they're lonely" - what a typical non-solution to a problem. It's like how the Japanese government gives money to promote matchmaking as a way to raise the birthrate.
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Japan will always create a committee or a position for this and that problem without doing anything.

Aside from being the Minister of Loneliness, this guy, Tetsushi Sakamoto, is also:
- Minister for Promoting Dynamic Engagement of All Citizens
- Minister of State for Measures for Declining Birthrate
- Minister of State for Regional Revitalization

It would be ludicrous to expect him to properly immerse himself in all these issues at once.

As a side note: "Engineers in Japan previously designed a robot to hold someone's hand when they're lonely" - what a typical non-solution to a problem. It's like how the Japanese government gives money to a promotes matchmaking as a way to raise the birthrate.

seems like a capable guy
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In landmark ruling, Japanese district court says not allowing same-sex marriage is 'unconstitutional'

A Japanese district court on Wednesday ruled that not allowing same-sex couples to marry is “unconstitutional”, setting a new precedent in the only G7 nation not to fully recognize same-sex partnership, though it rejected demands for damages to be paid. The ruling, the first in Japan on the legality of same-sex marriages, is a major symbolic victory in a country where the constitution defines marriage as being based on “the mutual consent of both sexes.”

As it currently stands, same-sex couples can’t inherit their partner’s assets - such as the house they may have shared - and also have no parental rights to any children their partners may have.

Though partnership certificates issued by individual municipalities around the nation help with renting places to live and hospital visitation rights, they still don’t allow the same full legal rights as for heterosexual couples.

The Sapporo District Court threw out the demand for damages by the six plaintiffs - two couples of men and one of women - who had asked that the Japanese government pay 1 million yen each in acknowledgment of the pain they suffered by not being able to legally marry. But the recognition that not allowing them to marry was unconstitutional was the victory the plaintiffs, their lawyers and activists had been hoping for as a key symbolic step forward and precedent-setter.

Similar cases are currently being heard in four other courts around Japan and this ruling may influence the outcomes there as well.
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Kowani wrote:In landmark ruling, Japanese district court says not allowing same-sex marriage is 'unconstitutional'

A Japanese district court on Wednesday ruled that not allowing same-sex couples to marry is “unconstitutional”, setting a new precedent in the only G7 nation not to fully recognize same-sex partnership, though it rejected demands for damages to be paid. The ruling, the first in Japan on the legality of same-sex marriages, is a major symbolic victory in a country where the constitution defines marriage as being based on “the mutual consent of both sexes.”

As it currently stands, same-sex couples can’t inherit their partner’s assets - such as the house they may have shared - and also have no parental rights to any children their partners may have.

Though partnership certificates issued by individual municipalities around the nation help with renting places to live and hospital visitation rights, they still don’t allow the same full legal rights as for heterosexual couples.

The Sapporo District Court threw out the demand for damages by the six plaintiffs - two couples of men and one of women - who had asked that the Japanese government pay 1 million yen each in acknowledgment of the pain they suffered by not being able to legally marry. But the recognition that not allowing them to marry was unconstitutional was the victory the plaintiffs, their lawyers and activists had been hoping for as a key symbolic step forward and precedent-setter.

Similar cases are currently being heard in four other courts around Japan and this ruling may influence the outcomes there as well.


Now we just wait to see if the Diet will actually do anything about it.
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This is a genuinely bad idea.

It's nof like the US Army hasn't desecrated indigenous tribes for over the past 150 years. *snort*
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Shrillland wrote:
Kowani wrote:In landmark ruling, Japanese district court says not allowing same-sex marriage is 'unconstitutional'

A Japanese district court on Wednesday ruled that not allowing same-sex couples to marry is “unconstitutional”, setting a new precedent in the only G7 nation not to fully recognize same-sex partnership, though it rejected demands for damages to be paid. The ruling, the first in Japan on the legality of same-sex marriages, is a major symbolic victory in a country where the constitution defines marriage as being based on “the mutual consent of both sexes.”

As it currently stands, same-sex couples can’t inherit their partner’s assets - such as the house they may have shared - and also have no parental rights to any children their partners may have.

Though partnership certificates issued by individual municipalities around the nation help with renting places to live and hospital visitation rights, they still don’t allow the same full legal rights as for heterosexual couples.

The Sapporo District Court threw out the demand for damages by the six plaintiffs - two couples of men and one of women - who had asked that the Japanese government pay 1 million yen each in acknowledgment of the pain they suffered by not being able to legally marry. But the recognition that not allowing them to marry was unconstitutional was the victory the plaintiffs, their lawyers and activists had been hoping for as a key symbolic step forward and precedent-setter.

Similar cases are currently being heard in four other courts around Japan and this ruling may influence the outcomes there as well.


Now we just wait to see if the Diet will actually do anything about it.

they won't
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Postby Newer Tyga Islands » Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:36 pm

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Alcala-Cordel wrote:Confucianism was inspired by existing ideas, you know. Also, I thought Japan was inherently moral in its fight against China?


What’s mostly good (e.g. Japan) can still have flaws. That does not negate the fact that it is very good. Even Israel isn’t perfect. It is too small. It has a corrupt ruler who needs to be ousted. It’s vaccine manufacturing capabilities should have been higher.. That does not mean it isn’t awesome.

At the same time even really horrible entities do occasionally have a few redeemable aspects. Nazi Germany for example was really good at rocket manufacturing and caused Volkswagen & Fanta to exist. Do these make Nazism less evil or harmful? Hell no. Even China has redeemable aspects. For example at least it does not have honor killings and low crime rates. That does not make China less evil.


I hate to butt in, but I couldn't agree more with this. Every nation is a complex entity, and to view it through a single prism is a narrow-minded view.

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Newer Tyga Islands wrote:
Nekostan-e Gharbi wrote:
What’s mostly good (e.g. Japan) can still have flaws. That does not negate the fact that it is very good. Even Israel isn’t perfect. It is too small. It has a corrupt ruler who needs to be ousted. It’s vaccine manufacturing capabilities should have been higher.. That does not mean it isn’t awesome.

At the same time even really horrible entities do occasionally have a few redeemable aspects. Nazi Germany for example was really good at rocket manufacturing and caused Volkswagen & Fanta to exist. Do these make Nazism less evil or harmful? Hell no. Even China has redeemable aspects. For example at least it does not have honor killings and low crime rates. That does not make China less evil.


I hate to butt in, but I couldn't agree more with this. Every nation is a complex entity, and to view it through a single prism is a narrow-minded view.


Japan gave the West cool ninjas like Ryu Hayabusa and Joe Musashi, but it also gave us that annoying orange Johnny Test-looking prick that birthed many weeaboos to run amok.

Thus, Japan needs to pay for their sins: HAYABUSA FOR SMASH OR WE'LL BAN NISSIN!
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I know that many Olympic games have been marred by one controversy or another, but the 2020 2021 Tokyo games have been a flaming sack of shit in that regard so far.
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This is a genuinely bad idea.

It's nof like the US Army hasn't desecrated indigenous tribes for over the past 150 years. *snort*


Well, I suppose raising awareness is one place to start...

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