by Madrinpoor » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:41 pm
by Kilobugya » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:48 pm
by Madrinpoor » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:49 pm
Kilobugya wrote:Well hi there. I'm French and member of PCF. And very worried about politics here, between the raise of extreme-right thesis everywhere, the misshandling of the pandemics from Macron, the disastrous social situation we are in, and the methodical disbanding of public services and social systems.
And also the state of extreme division of the left, which doesn't give us any real hope of victory in the coming elections, while on many topics (investing in education, healthcare, public transports, social housing; raising minimal wage and protecting workers; increasing tax on the rich; defending public services; ...) we actually have a majority of the population with us.
by Sengoku Americas » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:50 pm
Kilobugya wrote:Well hi there. I'm French and member of PCF. And very worried about politics here, between the raise of extreme-right thesis everywhere, the misshandling of the pandemics from Macron, the disastrous social situation we are in, and the methodical disbanding of public services and social systems.
And also the state of extreme division of the left, which doesn't give us any real hope of victory in the coming elections, while on many topics (investing in education, healthcare, public transports, social housing; raising minimal wage and protecting workers; increasing tax on the rich; defending public services; ...) we actually have a majority of the population with us.
Five nations, one continent.
"Let everyone put forth their full effort for the reconstruction of our wonderful garden!"
by Kilobugya » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:53 pm
Madrinpoor wrote:Are you a yellow vest?
by Kilobugya » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:55 pm
Sengoku Americas wrote:Can I ask what is the general response on the poor vaccination campaigns?
by Ancapimania » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:56 pm
Kilobugya wrote:Madrinpoor wrote:Are you a yellow vest?
Let's say I'm sympathetic to their plea and suffering, I agree with many of their demand (such as more direct democracy and more taxation of the rich) and I did participate in some of the protests, but I'm not exactly one of them. I'm a communist.
by Sengoku Americas » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:57 pm
Ancapimania wrote:Kilobugya wrote:
Let's say I'm sympathetic to their plea and suffering, I agree with many of their demand (such as more direct democracy and more taxation of the rich) and I did participate in some of the protests, but I'm not exactly one of them. I'm a communist.
Let me throw up because first you support ideas that the CCP,Lenin and Stalin support/supported and I'm a minarchist so I naturally hate the left wing commies
Five nations, one continent.
"Let everyone put forth their full effort for the reconstruction of our wonderful garden!"
by Kilobugya » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:59 pm
Ancapimania wrote:Let me throw up because first you support ideas that the CCP,Lenin and Stalin support/supported and I'm a minarchist so I naturally hate the left wing commies
by Madrinpoor » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:02 pm
Nakena wrote:What do you think about the recent ban/dissolution of Generation Identitaire?
by Nakena » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:03 pm
by Ancapimania » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:04 pm
Kilobugya wrote:Ancapimania wrote:Let me throw up because first you support ideas that the CCP,Lenin and Stalin support/supported and I'm a minarchist so I naturally hate the left wing commies
I definitely don't support stalinism. The communist ideal has nothing to do with that, and the variety of socialism I support before reaching communism is a democratic, respectful of individual rights and freedoms, one.
by Kilobugya » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:05 pm
Nakena wrote:What do you think about the recent ban/dissolution of Generation Identitaire?
by Madrinpoor » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:07 pm
by Ancapimania » Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:25 pm
by Madrinpoor » Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:59 pm
by Ancapimania » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:05 pm
Madrinpoor wrote:Ancapimania wrote:But they support the same policies,unlike the right wingers
I would recommend reading "The Road to Serfdom" by FA Hayek. Even if you disagree with its individualist politics, it is quite interesting to read as it explains how collectivism, both Fascism, Communism, and all similar ideologies, are related to each other. The Communists and Fascists saw each other as possible recruits. Benito Mussolini was a socialist at first. Their policies are not that different. There is even a speech where Hitler stated that Marxism and Nazism were not so different from each other.
by Kilobugya » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:07 pm
Madrinpoor wrote:both Fascism, Communism, and all similar ideologies, are related to each other
by Madrinpoor » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:09 pm
Ancapimania wrote:Madrinpoor wrote:I would recommend reading "The Road to Serfdom" by FA Hayek. Even if you disagree with its individualist politics, it is quite interesting to read as it explains how collectivism, both Fascism, Communism, and all similar ideologies, are related to each other. The Communists and Fascists saw each other as possible recruits. Benito Mussolini was a socialist at first. Their policies are not that different. There is even a speech where Hitler stated that Marxism and Nazism were not so different from each other.
Yet you don't include the lib right! And also nazism is authcenter while stuff like monarchys kingdoms and similar ideologies are far right.Also here is a little fact,the CCP and North Korea are far right,not far left because of state capitalism
by Madrinpoor » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:11 pm
Kilobugya wrote:Madrinpoor wrote:both Fascism, Communism, and all similar ideologies, are related to each other
Fascism and communism are absolute antithesis. Trying to bundle them together is utter nonsense, that completely ignores both the enormous and opposing theoretical/ideological aspects of those two, and that disregard all actual history. Hitler came to power because Germany's bourgeoisie wanted to use him to crush the communists. Here in France it was the bourgeoisie saying "rather Hitler than popular front" while our comrades were dying defending Republican Spain from Franco.
Your ignorance about the complete and total opposition, both theoretical and pratical, between communism and fascism since the apparition of fascism in the 20s (and even with the proto-fascist groups that existed before) is really disgusting and harmful when you realize how many deaths, torture and suffering our comrades paid to fight fascist.
by Ancapimania » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:11 pm
Kilobugya wrote:Madrinpoor wrote:both Fascism, Communism, and all similar ideologies, are related to each other
Fascism and communism are absolute antithesis. Trying to bundle them together is utter nonsense, that completely ignores both the enormous and opposing theoretical/ideological aspects of those two, and that disregard all actual history. Hitler came to power because Germany's bourgeoisie wanted to use him to crush the communists. Here in France it was the bourgeoisie saying "rather Hitler than popular front" while our comrades were dying defending Republican Spain from Franco.
Your ignorance about the complete and total opposition, both theoretical and pratical, between communism and fascism since the apparition of fascism in the 20s (and even with the proto-fascist groups that existed before) is really disgusting and harmful when you realize how many deaths, torture and suffering our comrades paid to fight fascist.
by Madrinpoor » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:12 pm
Ancapimania wrote:Kilobugya wrote:
Fascism and communism are absolute antithesis. Trying to bundle them together is utter nonsense, that completely ignores both the enormous and opposing theoretical/ideological aspects of those two, and that disregard all actual history. Hitler came to power because Germany's bourgeoisie wanted to use him to crush the communists. Here in France it was the bourgeoisie saying "rather Hitler than popular front" while our comrades were dying defending Republican Spain from Franco.
Your ignorance about the complete and total opposition, both theoretical and pratical, between communism and fascism since the apparition of fascism in the 20s (and even with the proto-fascist groups that existed before) is really disgusting and harmful when you realize how many deaths, torture and suffering our comrades paid to fight fascist.
Did you read that all? Learn your facts because you are wrong,nations like italy and Germany were more left wing than spain,Soviet union and the CCP
by Arisyan » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:15 pm
by Ancapimania » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:16 pm
Madrinpoor wrote:Ancapimania wrote:Did you read that all? Learn your facts because you are wrong,nations like italy and Germany were more left wing than spain,Soviet union and the CCP
Not necessarily...the Soviet Union was quite very left wing. The CCP under Mao was also very left wing. Deng Xiaoping changed it to become more apolitical and less left wing. Republican Spain I have not studied, but Franco was a moderate fascist compared to Mussolini or Hitler.
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