and how large are those, that a minority of them are enough to be considered large in themselves?
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by Necroghastia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:53 pm
by Katganistan » Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:58 pm
The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:The Marlborough wrote:A fetus is only defined as not a person by contemporary convention. Which is why I urge pro-life activists that our immediate aim should be to change the law on personhood, and therefore the rights of personhood, to expand its scope.
1. Good luck with that constitutional amendment
2. How does it being a person give it the right to use another person’s body without their consent? No born person has this right. It seems to me you want fetuses to be MORE than persons right until they pop out of the birth canal.
“Pre-Born, you’re fine. Pre-School, you’re fucked.”
by Godular » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:00 pm
by Necroghastia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:03 pm
Godular wrote:Man, it's nice to see decent traffic here again. And I haven't even been called a lunatic, on Godular OR TCV.
Well... haven't been called one yet. The night is young.
by Katganistan » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:07 pm
by Kexholm Karelia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:08 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Why only in this instance and not as a general principle ?
I’m not Marlborough but in my case, I draw the line at rape, incest, and life-death medical situations because philosophically the fetus is a product of assault and so it makes sense to call that self defense, but in all other cases abortion is not justified at all. Other pro lifers disagree but that is my personal standing
by Katganistan » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:10 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Katganistan wrote:
Denying that it is a double standard does not eliminate its double standard status.
This is my viewKexholm Karelia wrote:I’m not Marlborough but in my case, I draw the line at rape, incest, and life-death medical situations because philosophically the fetus is a product of assault and so it makes sense to call that self defense, but in all other cases abortion is not justified at all. Other pro lifers disagree but that is my personal standing
by Necroghastia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:11 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Katganistan wrote:
Denying that it is a double standard does not eliminate its double standard status.
This is my viewKexholm Karelia wrote:I’m not Marlborough but in my case, I draw the line at rape, incest, and life-death medical situations because philosophically the fetus is a product of assault and so it makes sense to call that self defense, but in all other cases abortion is not justified at all. Other pro lifers disagree but that is my personal standing
by Godular » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:14 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Why only in this instance and not as a general principle ?
I’m not Marlborough but in my case, I draw the line at rape, incest, and life-death medical situations because philosophically the fetus is a product of assault and so it makes sense to call that self defense, but in all other cases abortion is not justified at all. Other pro lifers disagree but that is my personal standing
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:18 pm
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by Kexholm Karelia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:30 pm
Katganistan wrote:Kexholm Karelia wrote:This is my view
I read it. It's still a double standard. "It's ok to have an abortion when I decide it's morally ok to have one, despite arguments of innocence of the life when I think you shouldn't have the right to determine whether you want to have a child/be pregnant."
by Albrenia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:43 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Katganistan wrote:
I read it. It's still a double standard. "It's ok to have an abortion when I decide it's morally ok to have one, despite arguments of innocence of the life when I think you shouldn't have the right to determine whether you want to have a child/be pregnant."
Well no, in the cases of rape and incest, there’s usually threat to the mothers life so abortion is justified as a form of self preservation. Otherwise, it is not justified and shouldn’t be allowed as its killing a human being
by Genivaria » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:55 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Katganistan wrote:
I read it. It's still a double standard. "It's ok to have an abortion when I decide it's morally ok to have one, despite arguments of innocence of the life when I think you shouldn't have the right to determine whether you want to have a child/be pregnant."
Well no, in the cases of rape and incest, there’s usually threat to the mothers life so abortion is justified as a form of self preservation. Otherwise, it is not justified and shouldn’t be allowed as its killing a human being
by Atheris » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:55 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Katganistan wrote:
I read it. It's still a double standard. "It's ok to have an abortion when I decide it's morally ok to have one, despite arguments of innocence of the life when I think you shouldn't have the right to determine whether you want to have a child/be pregnant."
Well no, in the cases of rape and incest, there’s usually threat to the mothers life so abortion is justified as a form of self preservation. Otherwise, it is not justified and shouldn’t be allowed as its killing a human being
by Punished UMN » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:58 pm
by Kexholm Karelia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:04 pm
Genivaria wrote:Kexholm Karelia wrote:Well no, in the cases of rape and incest, there’s usually threat to the mothers life so abortion is justified as a form of self preservation. Otherwise, it is not justified and shouldn’t be allowed as its killing a human being
There is ALWAYS a threat to the mother's life during pregnancy. *face-palm*
by Necroghastia » Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:06 pm
by Neanderthaland » Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:46 pm
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Katganistan wrote:
I read it. It's still a double standard. "It's ok to have an abortion when I decide it's morally ok to have one, despite arguments of innocence of the life when I think you shouldn't have the right to determine whether you want to have a child/be pregnant."
Well no, in the cases of rape and incest, there’s usually threat to the mothers life so abortion is justified as a form of self preservation. Otherwise, it is not justified and shouldn’t be allowed as its killing a human being
by The Alma Mater » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:24 pm
Katganistan wrote:Kexholm Karelia wrote:This is my view
I read it. It's still a double standard. "It's ok to have an abortion when I decide it's morally ok to have one, despite arguments of innocence of the life when I think you shouldn't have the right to determine whether you want to have a child/be pregnant."
by The New California Republic » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:01 am
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Katganistan wrote:I read it. It's still a double standard. "It's ok to have an abortion when I decide it's morally ok to have one, despite arguments of innocence of the life when I think you shouldn't have the right to determine whether you want to have a child/be pregnant."
Well no, in the cases of rape and incest, there’s usually threat to the mothers life so abortion is justified as a form of self preservation.
The New California Republic wrote:If you are going to go down the "abortion is murder" route then at least take it to its ultimate and more rational conclusion by advocating banning it completely, instead of trying to have your cake and eat it by calling it "murder" but then saying it's OK to murder it in situations X, Y, and Z.
by Thepeopl » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:48 am
Suriyanakhon wrote:The Marlborough wrote:And we have people on your side arguing that even if we had technology that made abortion redundant (which by the way is an example of favoring abortion for the sake of it), it should still be allowed.
That is... actually fair. I'm utterly confused what reason anyone would have to care at that point so long as the mother no longer needs to carry the fetus.
by The Free Joy State » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:03 am
Thepeopl wrote:Suriyanakhon wrote:
That is... actually fair. I'm utterly confused what reason anyone would have to care at that point so long as the mother no longer needs to carry the fetus.
Because you would need the abortion to transfer the unwanted pregnancy into the artificial uterus.
And who will pay for the 9 month use of said uterus?
Who will take care of the baby after 9 months?
Because the parents of said baby don't want to/ aren't able to.
by The New California Republic » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:08 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Thepeopl wrote:Because you would need the abortion to transfer the unwanted pregnancy into the artificial uterus.
And who will pay for the 9 month use of said uterus?
Who will take care of the baby after 9 months?
Because the parents of said baby don't want to/ aren't able to.
As I see it, artificial foetuses [...]
by The Free Joy State » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:16 am
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