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by Shrillland » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:46 pm
by Kazakah » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:26 am
by Kazakah » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:30 am
by Arisyan » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:34 am
Shrillland wrote:It's official. Newfoundland and Labrador goes to the polls on Saturday, February 13: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/newfoundland-and-labrador-voters-head-to-polls-on-feb-13/ar-BB1cNa6r?li=AAggNb9
Currently, the polls show a massive majority in store for the Liberals with the Tories and NDP struggling to get out of single digits seatwise.
Kazakah wrote:https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/otoole-seeks-to-kick-mp-derek-sloan-from-conservative-caucus-after-campaign-donation-from-white-supremacist
The Conservatives will vote on the removal of MP Derek Sloan from the party for accepting a donation from a known white supremacist during his leadership campaign.
by Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:43 am
Kazakah wrote:I think it's very possible Sloan didn't know who the donator was as he received thousands of donations over the course of his campaign. However, Sloan has been walking a very thin line lately and this seems like an smart political move by O'Toole.
https://mobile.twitter.com/erinotoole/s ... frame.html
Here is O'Toole's statement on the removal of Sloan.
by Kazakah » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:42 am
Shrillland wrote:Kazakah wrote:I think it's very possible Sloan didn't know who the donator was as he received thousands of donations over the course of his campaign. However, Sloan has been walking a very thin line lately and this seems like an smart political move by O'Toole.
https://mobile.twitter.com/erinotoole/s ... frame.html
Here is O'Toole's statement on the removal of Sloan.
Maybe, but it still doesn't look good for the party as a whole even as it has to lurch rightward. Good on them to get rid of him.
by Nilokeras » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:58 am
Kazakah wrote:I think it's very possible Sloan didn't know who the donator was as he received thousands of donations over the course of his campaign. However, Sloan has been walking a very thin line lately and this seems like an smart political move by O'Toole.
https://mobile.twitter.com/erinotoole/s ... frame.html
Here is O'Toole's statement on the removal of Sloan.
by Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:01 pm
Nilokeras wrote:Kazakah wrote:I think it's very possible Sloan didn't know who the donator was as he received thousands of donations over the course of his campaign. However, Sloan has been walking a very thin line lately and this seems like an smart political move by O'Toole.
https://mobile.twitter.com/erinotoole/s ... frame.html
Here is O'Toole's statement on the removal of Sloan.
It's a dangerous line to walk since Sloan is probably the closest Canadian politics has come to emulating the 'Trump formula' of loud brash mask-off reaction, as compared to the wet blankets of Leitch and Bernier. Keeping him in the party but otherwise censuring or reprimanding him might be the best way to disarm that impulse and keep him from forming the nucleus of a lumpen-Q-esque splinter party.
by Nilokeras » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:58 pm
Shrillland wrote:Nilokeras wrote:
It's a dangerous line to walk since Sloan is probably the closest Canadian politics has come to emulating the 'Trump formula' of loud brash mask-off reaction, as compared to the wet blankets of Leitch and Bernier. Keeping him in the party but otherwise censuring or reprimanding him might be the best way to disarm that impulse and keep him from forming the nucleus of a lumpen-Q-esque splinter party.
I'm not sure he could succeed in doing that as long as Lewis's star continues to rise, and it shall. She's the future for Canada's right, not Sloan or Bernier.
by The Marlborough » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:11 pm
Nilokeras wrote:Shrillland wrote:
I'm not sure he could succeed in doing that as long as Lewis's star continues to rise, and it shall. She's the future for Canada's right, not Sloan or Bernier.
She doesn't have quite the same energy or willingness to snub the party elite as Sloan though. I can see her being put forward as a rehabilitative candidate in the future - someone who attempts to appeal to the priorities of the reactionary right but within the establishment framework, particularly if the mainstream candidates in the party fail to gain purchase.
by Nilokeras » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:22 pm
The Marlborough wrote:Nilokeras wrote:
She doesn't have quite the same energy or willingness to snub the party elite as Sloan though. I can see her being put forward as a rehabilitative candidate in the future - someone who attempts to appeal to the priorities of the reactionary right but within the establishment framework, particularly if the mainstream candidates in the party fail to gain purchase.
She does actually, she's just not bellicose about it. Further, Derek Sloan has very, very little appeal within the Conservative Party (speaking as someone who is actually a member of the party for the time being). His only major show of support were in a handful of areas in Ontario whereas a lot of people were expecting him to do really well in the Prairies - he didn't. Dr. Leslyn Lewis however punched far above what was expected especially given the lack of media attention she was given compared to the other candidates. He wasn't really competitive in any of the provinces, the closest he got was Manitoba which was really divided but even there he couldn't crack above 20% and was still 6 percentage points behind Lewis. Lewis actually flat out won Saskatchewan in the first round. Nor does she even appeal to the reactionary right, they were pretty dismissive of her.
by The Marlborough » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:37 pm
This is more Bernier's thing and it hasn't really been effective since his party is demolished each time it pops up in a local election and is currently hated by quite a number of Conservatives because they see them as vote splitters. Sloan doesn't have that kind of social media appeal, he actually has a pretty weak social media game even by Canadian politician standards. He just says stupid shit and then Liberals pounce on it.Nilokeras wrote:To clarify when I say the 'Trump formula' I think it's less about his ability to get electoral success - which as you correctly point out he hasn't been able to get - but moreso the cattiness and ability to suck the oxygen out of a room for his own purposes, particularly on social media.
I wouldn't call her mainstream at all, a lot of her economic views are contrary to what a lot of Blue Tories believe in especially in regards to agriculture. Further, her policies are also pretty far from Sloan who is more of a social conservative libertarian. She's closer to the Red Tory side of things out of them all (Purple Tory maybe? I dunno). The only thing you can say they are similar on is abortion and legalized euthanasia. Even their approach to immigration is vastly different and attracts different types of people.Lewis like you said is much more mainstream and has the ability to work with the party apparatus despite holding many of the same views as Sloan.
Except they wont unless all they care about is abortion in which case they probably would do it anyway even if Sloan remained in the party because the pro-life movement is increasingly starting to come around to be against economic liberalism which Sloan still very much still adheres to.Keeping Sloan in the party subordinates him significantly and keeps him as a perennial 14% runner up candidate whose reactionary voters will inevitably get in line behind Lewis.
by The Marlborough » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:47 pm
by Major-Tom » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:58 pm
Nilokeras wrote:Kazakah wrote:I think it's very possible Sloan didn't know who the donator was as he received thousands of donations over the course of his campaign. However, Sloan has been walking a very thin line lately and this seems like an smart political move by O'Toole.
https://mobile.twitter.com/erinotoole/s ... frame.html
Here is O'Toole's statement on the removal of Sloan.
It's a dangerous line to walk since Sloan is probably the closest Canadian politics has come to emulating the 'Trump formula' of loud brash mask-off reaction, as compared to the wet blankets of Leitch and Bernier. Keeping him in the party but otherwise censuring or reprimanding him might be the best way to disarm that impulse and keep him from forming the nucleus of a lumpen-Q-esque splinter party.
by Shrillland » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:01 pm
by The Marlborough » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:04 pm
Perhaps so for Ontario, not really for Quebec considering how hilariously racist the province is. If anything it'd improve their odds in Quebec, though tanking it elsewhere.Major-Tom wrote:Nilokeras wrote:
It's a dangerous line to walk since Sloan is probably the closest Canadian politics has come to emulating the 'Trump formula' of loud brash mask-off reaction, as compared to the wet blankets of Leitch and Bernier. Keeping him in the party but otherwise censuring or reprimanding him might be the best way to disarm that impulse and keep him from forming the nucleus of a lumpen-Q-esque splinter party.
The inverse of that is it sends a message that "The CPC is a big-tent, including people who are far-right reactionaries." That is one surefire way to get crushed in On/QC once again.
by Major-Tom » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:07 pm
The Marlborough wrote:Perhaps so for Ontario, not really for Quebec considering how hilariously racist the province is. If anything it'd improve their odds in Quebec, though tanking it elsewhere.Major-Tom wrote:
The inverse of that is it sends a message that "The CPC is a big-tent, including people who are far-right reactionaries." That is one surefire way to get crushed in On/QC once again.
by The Marlborough » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:15 pm
Major-Tom wrote:The Marlborough wrote:Perhaps so for Ontario, not really for Quebec considering how hilariously racist the province is. If anything it'd improve their odds in Quebec, though tanking it elsewhere.
QC certainly has a racism problem, but I think people have an uncomfortable time admitting that most US States and most Canadian provinces have one as well. You can look at QC politics recently and see that they don't really stomach the full message of the far-right all too much, even if that province simultaneously is known for being hostile to immigrants in many respects.
The success of a far-right populist in certain regions goes well beyond whether that region is "hostile to X, Y and Z."
by Kowani » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:22 pm
by The Marlborough » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:58 pm
by Nilokeras » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:02 pm
The Marlborough wrote:This is more Bernier's thing and it hasn't really been effective since his party is demolished each time it pops up in a local election and is currently hated by quite a number of Conservatives because they see them as vote splitters. Sloan doesn't have that kind of social media appeal, he actually has a pretty weak social media game even by Canadian politician standards. He just says stupid shit and then Liberals pounce on it.
The Marlborough wrote:I wouldn't call her mainstream at all, a lot of her economic views are contrary to what a lot of Blue Tories believe in especially in regards to agriculture. Further, her policies are also pretty far from Sloan who is more of a social conservative libertarian. She's closer to the Red Tory side of things out of them all (Purple Tory maybe? I dunno). The only thing you can say they are similar on is abortion and legalized euthanasia. Even their approach to immigration is vastly different and attracts different types of people.
The Marlborough wrote:Except they wont unless all they care about is abortion in which case they probably would do it anyway even if Sloan remained in the party because the pro-life movement is increasingly starting to come around to be against economic liberalism which Sloan still very much still adheres to.
by Nilokeras » Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:06 pm
The Marlborough wrote:I know a lot of Canadians further to the left are really desperate for Canada to have its own Trump, but simply put that isn't likely because the dynamics of Canadian politics (ie it's parliamentarian FPTP system) and history are not the same as they are in the United States. This may come as a shocker but we aren't America Jr and will not inherently follow their political trajectory lock and step much like Mexico doesn't do the same despite being culturally more similar to the Southern half much like we're culturally more similar to the Northern half.
There is a reason most of our blow hard alt-right types tend to have to move to the States or only become popular and relevant in American politics and not Canadian politics.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:23 am
The Marlborough wrote:We really need our own nuclear weapons program.
by Shrillland » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:09 pm
by Nilokeras » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:15 pm
Shrillland wrote:The Governor-General has resigned: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/marie-heneins-firm-hired-by-top-bureaucrat-as-tensions-rise-over-julie-payettes-alleged-toxic-workplace
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