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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Have we heard of any foreign spies or infiltrators in the Capitol mob?

Some claimed that antifa initiated a false flag, but its mostly hogwash. A conservative reporter who is critical of antifa stated that he believed them to be incapable of organizing on the scale of the capital riots.
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I said being homosexual should be legal and homosexual marriage ceremonies should be legal.

And then you said homosexual marriage should be de facto illegal by taking away their marriage contracts.


And posted some dubious articles about how the homosexual lifestyle was harmful.
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Plenty of things. For example, actions that would take hurt other people. Theft, murder, assault, rape, vandalism, and fraud should be punished.


Ok and anything else the government should not involved in? Should we get rid of the FDA, EPA DOT for example?


No, but their powers should be carefully reduced. It would need to be a step-by-step process.
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Freiheit Reich wrote:I said being homosexual should be legal and homosexual marriage ceremonies should be legal.

Yes, but you think the government should not "promote" or "encourage" homosexuality, which is impossible. You cannot encourage people to be homosexual when nobody decides to be that way. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's a thing that just... is. A government building displaying a rainbow flag is not "encouraging" homosexuality, it's a message that means "homosexuality is valid", which it is.

Freiheit's afraid people will discover their sexual orientation. The horror.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:55 am

Istoreya wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:I said being homosexual should be legal and homosexual marriage ceremonies should be legal.

Yes, but you think the government should not "promote" or "encourage" homosexuality, which is impossible. You cannot encourage people to be homosexual when nobody decides to be that way. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's a thing that just... is. A government building displaying a rainbow flag is not "encouraging" homosexuality, it's a message that means "homosexuality is valid", which it is.


Don't ask, don't tell. I would also say not to fly 'straight pride' flags. Of course, if a politician is homosexual, he/she should not face trouble over it.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ok and anything else the government should not involved in? Should we get rid of the FDA, EPA DOT for example?


No, but their powers should be carefully reduced. It would need to be a step-by-step process.

If anything the EPA should have their powers expanded, and so should the FDA. They protect against harmful business practices and poisons in our medicine, food, and the environment. They don't exist because government officials want to be totalitarian rulers, but rather because there were problems without those agencies, and people wanted government to step in to offer basic protections, so they had clean air and safe medicines and food.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:56 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Yes, but you think the government should not "promote" or "encourage" homosexuality, which is impossible. You cannot encourage people to be homosexual when nobody decides to be that way. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's a thing that just... is. A government building displaying a rainbow flag is not "encouraging" homosexuality, it's a message that means "homosexuality is valid", which it is.


Don't ask, don't tell. I would also say not to fly 'straight pride' flags.

Straight people haven't been widely discriminated against until the 2010's like the LGBT+ has.
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Postby Istoreya » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:57 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Yes, but you think the government should not "promote" or "encourage" homosexuality, which is impossible. You cannot encourage people to be homosexual when nobody decides to be that way. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's a thing that just... is. A government building displaying a rainbow flag is not "encouraging" homosexuality, it's a message that means "homosexuality is valid", which it is.


Don't ask, don't tell. I would also say not to fly 'straight pride' flags. Of course, if a politician is homosexual, he/she should not face trouble over it.

It's not your choice. People are allowed to be open about their sexuality, if you disagree then I suggest we totally ban all forms of PDA because I didn't ask to see straight people in public.

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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:58 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Have we heard of any foreign spies or infiltrators in the Capitol mob?


There's an old adage in politics, don't shoot your opponent when he's busy committing suicide. I'm sure Putin and Xi are aware of it. This was a mob organized by domestic terrorist groups, funded by the Christian Right and instigated by the President to commit an act of insurrection. Sorry, no "antifa" or foreign involvement needed.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:59 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ok and anything else the government should not involved in? Should we get rid of the FDA, EPA DOT for example?


No, but their powers should be carefully reduced. It would need to be a step-by-step process.


reduced how?

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:02 am

Istoreya wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:I said being homosexual should be legal and homosexual marriage ceremonies should be legal.

Yes, but you think the government should not "promote" or "encourage" homosexuality, which is impossible. You cannot encourage people to be homosexual when nobody decides to be that way. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's a thing that just... is. A government building displaying a rainbow flag is not "encouraging" homosexuality, it's a message that means "homosexuality is valid", which it is.


Do you also support legalizing marriages between siblings and parents with their children? This couple was pressured to leave their village over such a relationship. I hope you are supportive of this couple as well to be fair (personally I find it questionable but they should not get in trouble):

End of times! Man marries his 40-year-old MOTHER as she is expecting his child (see photos) Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/230407-end-times ... hotos.html

https://www.tuko.co.ke/230407-end-times ... hotos.html
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:03 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Have we heard of any foreign spies or infiltrators in the Capitol mob?

There are some rumours of a woman stealing a laptop to sell it to Russians.
But, as mentioned before, if there was or was not does not matter. Security has to assume there was one and replace every single electronic device, as well as sweep every room for bugs. A nice waste of millions of dollars.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:04 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Yes, but you think the government should not "promote" or "encourage" homosexuality, which is impossible. You cannot encourage people to be homosexual when nobody decides to be that way. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's a thing that just... is. A government building displaying a rainbow flag is not "encouraging" homosexuality, it's a message that means "homosexuality is valid", which it is.


Do you also support legalizing marriages between siblings and parents with their children? This couple was pressured to leave their village over such a relationship. I hope you are supportive of this couple as well to be fair (personally I find it questionable but they should not get in trouble):

End of times! Man marries his 40-year-old MOTHER as she is expecting his child (see photos) Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/230407-end-times ... hotos.html

https://www.tuko.co.ke/230407-end-times ... hotos.html

False equivalence. It's unnatural and a choice to fuck your mom. Homosexuality is not only natural and practiced all over the animal kingdom but is also not a choice.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:04 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Yes, but you think the government should not "promote" or "encourage" homosexuality, which is impossible. You cannot encourage people to be homosexual when nobody decides to be that way. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's a thing that just... is. A government building displaying a rainbow flag is not "encouraging" homosexuality, it's a message that means "homosexuality is valid", which it is.


Do you also support legalizing marriages between siblings and parents with their children? This couple was pressured to leave their village over such a relationship. I hope you are supportive of this couple as well to be fair (personally I find it questionable but they should not get in trouble):

End of times! Man marries his 40-year-old MOTHER as she is expecting his child (see photos) Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/230407-end-times ... hotos.html

https://www.tuko.co.ke/230407-end-times ... hotos.html

why are you bringing up things no one is advocating for?

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Postby Istoreya » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:05 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Yes, but you think the government should not "promote" or "encourage" homosexuality, which is impossible. You cannot encourage people to be homosexual when nobody decides to be that way. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's a thing that just... is. A government building displaying a rainbow flag is not "encouraging" homosexuality, it's a message that means "homosexuality is valid", which it is.


Do you also support legalizing marriages between siblings and parents with their children? This couple was pressured to leave their village over such a relationship. I hope you are supportive of this couple as well to be fair (personally I find it questionable but they should not get in trouble):

End of times! Man marries his 40-year-old MOTHER as she is expecting his child (see photos) Read more: https://www.tuko.co.ke/230407-end-times ... hotos.html

https://www.tuko.co.ke/230407-end-times ... hotos.html

I do not think that the couple should have been made to leave the village, however there's a difference between incest and homosexuality and you know it. Homosexuality has a 0% chance of producing a child with defects, unlike incest. I do not believe that marriages that are actively harmful should be allowed, and incestuous marriages are. The majority of cases of sexual abuse are also incestuous.

But won't anyone think of the poor inbred children, how can it be in any way moral to tell them that being gay is okay???

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Postby Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:05 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:It should also regulate to prevent pollution, enforce safety standards, and much much more. In a truly democratic society, the government shall carry out the people's will.


What if they people want to create a religious theocracy? For example, in the Maldives and Saudi Arabia, most citizens are fine with laws that are intolerant of non-Muslims because it fits their own religious views. It is called tyranny by majority and it is dangerous.

Saudi Arabia is a particularly bad example of your so-called "tyranny by majority" because they are an autocratic monarchy. The Maldives are also not really a democracy considering the... political instability and crackdown on dissidents there.

"Tyranny by majority" never made sense to me in America, because often we're under the rule of a corporate puppet. Very rarely do the people actually rule.
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I think we should all calm down and stop trying to convince Freiheit Reich of scientific reality before we get a flock of bans. Anyway...


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Sounds like she may have been complicit in aiding an insurrection.



Hmm....there would have to be more than one known member of the assault known to be among them. Just one can be plausibly explained away, more than one means we must get the proverbial meat hooks out and expel the traitors.
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:08 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Istoreya wrote:Yes, but you think the government should not "promote" or "encourage" homosexuality, which is impossible. You cannot encourage people to be homosexual when nobody decides to be that way. You are either gay, or you aren't. It's a thing that just... is. A government building displaying a rainbow flag is not "encouraging" homosexuality, it's a message that means "homosexuality is valid", which it is.


Don't ask, don't tell. I would also say not to fly 'straight pride' flags. Of course, if a politician is homosexual, he/she should not face trouble over it.


Dude, check your calendar, that is so last century.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:08 am

Atheris wrote:
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Don't ask, don't tell. I would also say not to fly 'straight pride' flags.

Straight people haven't been widely discriminated against until the 2010's like the LGBT+ has.


They have been if they wanted to commit incest. Modern society is likely even more judgmental against incestual couples than homosexual couples. Even in the 1950's, men that married their cousins faced problems (although less than homosexuals then). For example, it hurt Jerry Lee Lewis's career and was considered controversial:

Jerry Lee Lewis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Lee_Lewis

However, Lewis's rock and roll career faltered in the wake of his marriage to Myra Gale Brown, his 13-year-old cousin.

His popularity quickly eroded following the scandal and with few exceptions such as a cover of Ray Charles's "What'd I Say", he did not have much chart success in the early 1960s.

That Time Jerry Lee Lewis Married Myra Gale Brown — His 13-Year-Old Cousin

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