Axis versus Allies (Planning, OOC, Invite Only)

[The Chuck]

Quick question Selks, what nations are the largest cotton manufacturers? I know this is an odd question but it'll make sense down the road

This also goes for everyone else, who here is a manufacturer of large amounts of raw cotton of the middling quality or higher?

[The Selkie]

Quick question Selks, what nations are the largest cotton manufacturers? I know this is an odd question but it'll make sense down the road

This also goes for everyone else, who here is a manufacturer of large amounts of raw cotton of the middling quality or higher?

Cotton? Lutetii produces substantial amounts and Brucalla for its size as well. Other countries either have smaller cotton plantations, barely worth mentioning, or use wool, like Menyz, Hovathum is known for its sheep, as is Schaffhoffen in Auwalt, or import. If they are the largest? I am quite sure, that no.

[Carlotina]

Oh no worries - I was not hinting at you specifically, I was just making a general reminder. War RP's in general has a tendency to favour one side unevenly.

That for sure. Although Citimere will have prominent pro-Ahuan factions as well, since even before 1940, Citimere had some ultranationalists, who won't consider labeled as fascists much of a dealbreaker. I will see how I get these into this thing. Groups of this sort are relatively small in Carlotina, but they do exist, even though they aren't going to play much of a role until ~1960.

Then I'm gonna run and develop Citimere. Activate drawing board!

Wonderful! If you need help, gimme a shout! : D

Yeah... and that would be a bit boring, wouldn't it?
Anyway: Here the first glimpses of our bad guys, the Ahuan Realm (or simply Ahua). What do you all think?

Will do! ^^
And the article already sounds neat! Makes it also easier to find some ideological counterparts, should the need arise (see above - with this said, Carlotinian agents might also have a look at possible fascist movements in Citimere).

[Astares Amauricanum]

Okay everyone, after talking via TG with Selks and PE, here is what I'm planning:

Mandanda would be located where Porcon is, and they would feel threatened that if Ahua reacquires its lost territories of Menyz, they would step right at their door. As a semi democratic nation, with more free ideals, the Mandandans and their leader, President Castanera, would not tolerate such a thing.

Concerning Astares's contribution to this, it would come as help in form of the Lend-Lease, but also with some Astarians volunteering for combat under the Mandandan flag, similar to what happened in Finland during the Winter War of 1940.

So, what do you all think?

[The Selkie]

Oh no worries - I was not hinting at you specifically, I was just making a general reminder. War RP's in general has a tendency to favour one side unevenly.

That for sure. Although Citimere will have prominent pro-Ahuan factions as well, since even before 1940, Citimere had some ultranationalists, who won't consider labeled as fascists much of a dealbreaker. I will see how I get these into this thing. Groups of this sort are relatively small in Carlotina, but they do exist, even though they aren't going to play much of a role until ~1960.

Wonderful! If you need help, gimme a shout! : D

Yeah... and that would be a bit boring, wouldn't it?
Anyway: Here the first glimpses of our bad guys, the Ahuan Realm (or simply Ahua). What do you all think?

Will do! ^^
And the article already sounds neat! Makes it also easier to find some ideological counterparts, should the need arise (see above - with this said, Carlotinian agents might also have a look at possible fascist movements in Citimere).

Thank you for the compliment! : D
And sounds like a plan.

Okay everyone, after talking via TG with Selks and PE, here is what I'm planning:

Mandanda would be located where Porcon is, and they would feel threatened that if Ahua reacquires its lost territories of Menyz, they would step right at their door. As a semi democratic nation, with more free ideals, the Mandandans and their leader, President Castanera, would not tolerate such a thing.

Concerning Astares's contribution to this, it would come as help in form of the Lend-Lease, but also with some Astarians volunteering for combat under the Mandandan flag, similar to what happened in Finland during the Winter War of 1940.

So, what do you all think?

So far, looks good, but one question: "Not tolerate" in this case means...?

[Astares Amauricanum]

So far, looks good, but one question: "Not tolerate" in this case means...?

Basically, they don't want to have a bellicose and fascist nation right at their door step, they think they're going to be next on their list otherwise.

[The Selkie]

So far, looks good, but one question: "Not tolerate" in this case means...?

Basically, they don't want to have a bellicose and fascist nation right at their door step, they think they're going to be next on their list otherwise.

Okay, let's see, how that will turn out for them. ; )
So, I leave you Porcon to make your own? City names are Calibri, size 10, country names are Calibri, size 24. Please keep the population reasonable.

[Astares Amauricanum]

Basically, they don't want to have a bellicose and fascist nation right at their door step, they think they're going to be next on their list otherwise.

Okay, let's see, how that will turn out for them. ; )
So, I leave you Porcon to make your own? City names are Calibri, size 10, country names are Calibri, size 24. Please keep the population reasonable.

Okay, but how do you expect me to modify it?

[The Selkie]

Okay, let's see, how that will turn out for them. ; )
So, I leave you Porcon to make your own? City names are Calibri, size 10, country names are Calibri, size 24. Please keep the population reasonable.

Okay, but how do you expect me to modify it?

I personally use Paint.NET, but MS-Paint should work, too.

[Mervay]

Before we work that out further, one important question: On who's side would you be?

That opposed to the facist nation since it's 1940 of course. Plus the sudden war there might threaten some of the trade routes of Mervay which wouldn't be seen with good eyes considering the fact that by now Submarine warfare is a thing and can harm any nation if not dealt with. The idea was to get into the war to make sure the flow of trade keeps going on to Asteria since one material is going there is rubber and by then synthetic rubber wasn't widely used as it will only gain it's share of the rubber being used in Mervay around the 1950's onward. I'm still considering if it would join IRL WWII or have it happen considering my map and the fact my continent is also named Europe; but is far different to IRL one.

[Astares Amauricanum]

Okay, but how do you expect me to modify it?

I personally use Paint.NET, but MS-Paint should work, too.

Okay, so I just download the map, edit it with some dots and city names, and that's it?
FYI, I plan the population to be around 229 million people. Would that be okay or two much?

[Carlotina]

Thank you for the compliment! : D
And sounds like a plan.

No problem! So, there we go with ...

(I used MS Paint. Works well. I keep forgetting, that not all of us are ambitioned mapmakers ... ^^)

Easy to guess where I took my inspiration from, I guess. ^^ Now, as for population, since Ahua (proper) has 56.5 million citizens, would 13.2 million citizens for Citimere be a reasonable figure? It's not exactly an empire, after all ...

So far, looks good, but one question: "Not tolerate" in this case means...?

Basically, they don't want to have a bellicose and fascist nation right at their door step, they think they're going to be next on their list otherwise.

Well, Citimere is a bit more lucky with that - unless Hrohasa gets to similar ideas ...

[The Selkie]

Before we work that out further, one important question: On who's side would you be?

That opposed to the facist nation since it's 1940 of course. Plus the sudden war there might threaten some of the trade routes of Mervay which wouldn't be seen with good eyes considering the fact that by now Submarine warfare is a thing and can harm any nation if not dealt with. The idea was to get into the war to make sure the flow of trade keeps going on to Asteria since one material is going there is rubber and by then synthetic rubber wasn't widely used as it will only gain it's share of the rubber being used in Mervay around the 1950's onward. I'm still considering if it would join IRL WWII or have it happen considering my map and the fact my continent is also named Europe; but is far different to IRL one.

If you want rubber-carrying freighters bound for Mervay-Europe (sorry, but otherwise we might confuse it with RL-Europe) be sunk and that being the thing, which gets Mervay into this war, I am sure, that we can arrange something. Rubber trees grow in the tropics, where some of the southernmost tips of the continent barely brush into, I'd say.
So... not enough for a substantial production.
Besides... I'm just realizing, that I might have screwed up big time, seeing the scale of the map. Stand by.

I personally use Paint.NET, but MS-Paint should work, too.

Okay, so I just download the map, edit it with some dots and city names, and that's it?
FYI, I plan the population to be around 229 million people. Would that be okay or two much?

Considering, that this would make it the most populous nation on the continent by a wide margin, I would not mind, if you were to shave off 50 to 75 million people, but that is up to you.
And yes, that is basically how it's gonna work.
Plus the step of me integrating your work into the larger map, of course. ; )

Thank you for the compliment! : D
And sounds like a plan.

No problem! So, there we go with ...

Easy to guess where I took my inspiration from, I guess. ^^ Now, as for population, since Ahua (proper) has 56.5 million citizens, would 13.2 million citizens for Citimere be a reasonable figure? It's not exactly an empire, after all ...

Basically, they don't want to have a bellicose and fascist nation right at their door step, they think they're going to be next on their list otherwise.

Well, Citimere is a bit more lucky with that - unless Hrohasa gets to similar ideas ...

Looks wonderful. And I would not know, where you got your inspiration from, oh, no! ; )

[Astares Amauricanum]

Considering, that this would make it the most populous nation on the continent by a wide margin, I would not mind, if you were to shave off 50 to 75 million people, but that is up to you.
And yes, that is basically how it's gonna work.
Plus the step of me integrating your work into the larger map, of course. ; )

On that though, I suppose I'll have to use an image posting site. Do you want me to like Lillo and only do the image of Mandanda, or use the already available continent map?

[The Selkie]

Considering, that this would make it the most populous nation on the continent by a wide margin, I would not mind, if you were to shave off 50 to 75 million people, but that is up to you.
And yes, that is basically how it's gonna work.
Plus the step of me integrating your work into the larger map, of course. ; )

On that though, I suppose I'll have to use an image posting site. Do you want me to like Lillo and only do the image of Mandanda, or use the already available continent map?

He took the available map, cut out, what he needed and filled it to his heart's content. And that is a prudent course of action (exactly how I planned, even).
I recommend Imgur. ; )

[Mervay]

If you want rubber-carrying freighters bound for Mervay-Europe (sorry, but otherwise we might confuse it with RL-Europe) be sunk and that being the thing, which gets Mervay into this war, I am sure, that we can arrange something. Rubber trees grow in the tropics, where some of the southernmost tips of the continent barely brush into, I'd say.
So... not enough for a substantial production.
Besides... I'm just realizing, that I might have screwed up big time, seeing the scale of the map. Stand by.

Indeed and Mervay isn't a tropical nation so we will certainly rely on the flow of trade for our rubber (and other resources that I should think aren't on the Mervayan Homeland or we have but are under the national resources reserve system) until synthetic rubber is mass produced and replace the real rubber.

[The Selkie]

I was right and I screwed up.
Aranna is very much partially in tropics. Until the next version of the map is online (Sunday, at the latest), imagine the Tropic of Cancer underlining the word 'Porcon'. As you all know, the Tropics are between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn.
Which means, that around there, there are tropical deserts and half-deserts, with the entire escalation going northwards...

So, here is the deal: Either we work with that massive continent and the massive distances involved in that - or we change the scale.
Currently, the scale is 1 pixel = 5 km. I would propose to change that to 1 pixel = 1 km (EDIT: 1 pixel = 2 km would be better, though). I would also move the Arctic Circle a bit up so that we have more of the two northern islands.
Why is that important in the first place? Well, ranges of aircraft and ships, travelling distances, population density, available land, climate (and thus crops), a whole host of things.
So, your opinions?

[The Selkie]

If you want rubber-carrying freighters bound for Mervay-Europe (sorry, but otherwise we might confuse it with RL-Europe) be sunk and that being the thing, which gets Mervay into this war, I am sure, that we can arrange something. Rubber trees grow in the tropics, where some of the southernmost tips of the continent barely brush into, I'd say.
So... not enough for a substantial production.
Besides... I'm just realizing, that I might have screwed up big time, seeing the scale of the map. Stand by.

Indeed and Mervay isn't a tropical nation so we will certainly rely on the flow of trade for our rubber (and other resources that I should think aren't on the Mervayan Homeland or we have but are under the national resources reserve system) until synthetic rubber is mass produced and replace the real rubber.

What else might they need, which one could trade for? Maybe natural resources?

[Carlotina]

Looks wonderful. And I would not know, where you got your inspiration from, oh, no! ; )

Thank you! And yeah, the Inner Machinations of my mind are an enigma.
Also, good to hear, that I intuitively did the map thing right, although I have anticipated, that you were going to add our works to it. ^^
So, we have the basic data - 13.2 million Citimerese (yeah, I know, me and my demonyms again ... ^^), the capital is Condate, the largest city is Alisia. Now, of course, we wish to know what the average Citimerese does for a living.
The economic structure will consist of around 19% in the Primary Sector, 44% in the Secondary Sector, and 37% in the Tertiary Sector (these numbers are fairly realistic for 1940). Citimere makes a good Dollar of exporting coal and steel, especially in the central areas (hence why they are so densely populated in terms of largest cities), but shipbuilding and automobile manufacturing do play a major role as well. Citimere also has a noteworthy financial sector, which suffered a lot in the 1929 crisis, but is slowly recovering. Citimerese produce and drink lots of wine, especially white and rosé wine - red wine as well, although they might not be able to compete with the Lutetiians on a larger scale. The GDP per capita is around $1,500 (in 1940; this would be around $26,000 in 2020) a year, the total GDP therefore 19.8 billion, although this figure doesn't really reflect the inequality in distribution.
Politically, Citimere is pretty much your average Democratic Federal Republic; it used to be a Kingdom until the death of the last King leaving no progeny in 1907, thus, the monarchy ended peacefully. The Citimerese National Congress hosts a number of political parties, like the Citimerese National Alliance, the Citimerese Workers' Party, the Citimerese Regionalist Alliance, the Citimerese Freedom Coalition, and many smaller parties like a Citimerese Syndicalist Party and even a Citimerese Technocratic Alliance. They rule in various coalitions (as of currently, CNA, CRA, and CFC); party affiliation is not necessarily an indicator for a politician's points of view. (Yes, the political culture quite reflects how close it is to my other nations, which I did on purpose. ^^) Fascist parties are mostly fringe groups as of now, but that might change.

I was right and I screwed up.
Aranna is very much partially in tropics. Until the next version of the map is online (Sunday, at the latest), imagine the Tropic of Cancer underlining the word 'Porcon'. As you all know, the Tropics are between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn.
Which means, that around there, there are tropical deserts and half-deserts, with the entire escalation going northwards...

So, here is the deal: Either we work with that massive continent and the massive distances involved in that - or we change the scale.
Currently, the scale is 1 pixel = 5 km. I would propose to change that to 1 pixel = 1 km (EDIT: 1 pixel = 2 km would be better, though). I would also move the Arctic Circle a bit up so that we have more of the two northern islands.
Why is that important in the first place? Well, ranges of aircraft and ships, travelling distances, population density, available land, climate (and thus crops), a whole host of things.
So, your opinions?

I'd be onboard with changing the scale to 1 px = 2 km. That way, Citimere would have a north-south span of around 600 km and around half of it in east-west direction, so a bit smaller than Florida. I can work with this. Depending on the climate it would have then, it might be less or more dependent on Carlotina when it comes to tropical fruits, but it changes little of my above paragraph (as of now - it will, of course, become important in the near future).

[The Selkie]

Looks wonderful. And I would not know, where you got your inspiration from, oh, no! ; )

Thank you! And yeah, the Inner Machinations of my mind are an enigma.
Also, good to hear, that I intuitively did the map thing right, although I have anticipated, that you were going to add our works to it. ^^
So, we have the basic data - 13.2 million Citimerese (yeah, I know, me and my demonyms again ... ^^), the capital is Condate, the largest city is Alisia. Now, of course, we wish to know what the average Citimerese does for a living.
The economic structure will consist of around 19% in the Primary Sector, 44% in the Secondary Sector, and 37% in the Tertiary Sector (these numbers are fairly realistic for 1940). Citimere makes a good Dollar of exporting coal and steel, especially in the central areas (hence why they are so densely populated in terms of largest cities), but shipbuilding and automobile manufacturing do play a major role as well. Citimere also has a noteworthy financial sector, which suffered a lot in the 1929 crisis, but is slowly recovering. Citimerese produce and drink lots of wine, especially white and rosé wine - red wine as well, although they might not be able to compete with the Lutetiians on a larger scale. The GDP per capita is around $1,500 (in 1940; this would be around $26,000 in 2020) a year, the total GDP therefore 19.8 billion, although this figure doesn't really reflect the inequality in distribution.
Politically, Citimere is pretty much your average Democratic Federal Republic; it used to be a Kingdom until the death of the last King leaving to progeny in 1907, thus, the monarchy ended peacefully. The Citimerese National Congress hosts a number of political parties, like the Citimerese National Alliance, the Citimerese Workers' Party, the Citimerese Regionalist Alliance, the Citimerese Freedom Coalition, and many smaller parties like a Citimerese Syndicalist Party and even a Citimerese Technocratic Alliance. They rule in various coalitions (as of currently, CNA, CRA, and CFC); party affiliation is not necessarily an indicator for a politician's points of view. (Yes, the political culture quite reflects how close it is to my other nations, which I did on purpose. ^^) Fascist parties are mostly fringe groups as of now, but that might change.

I was right and I screwed up.
Aranna is very much partially in tropics. Until the next version of the map is online (Sunday, at the latest), imagine the Tropic of Cancer underlining the word 'Porcon'. As you all know, the Tropics are between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn.
Which means, that around there, there are tropical deserts and half-deserts, with the entire escalation going northwards...

So, here is the deal: Either we work with that massive continent and the massive distances involved in that - or we change the scale.
Currently, the scale is 1 pixel = 5 km. I would propose to change that to 1 pixel = 1 km (EDIT: 1 pixel = 2 km would be better, though). I would also move the Arctic Circle a bit up so that we have more of the two northern islands.
Why is that important in the first place? Well, ranges of aircraft and ships, travelling distances, population density, available land, climate (and thus crops), a whole host of things.
So, your opinions?

I'd be onboard with changing the scale to 1 px = 2 km. That way, Citimere would have a north-south span of around 600 km and around half of it in east-west direction, so a bit smaller than Florida. I can work with this. Depending on the climate it would have then, it might be less or more dependent on Carlotina when it comes to tropical fruits, but it changes little of my above paragraph (as of now - it will, of course, become important in the near future).

The base data sounds good and the history certainly adds something to it. I could imagine, that there might be some connections between the Ahuan Empire, its downfall and Citimere - or that it stopped expanding. Something we might want to think about. ; )
Thank you for your support in regard to the rescaling.

[Astares Amauricanum]

Just to make everyone aware what I talked about with Selks:

Mandanda population will now be of 95 million.
I'm in favor of the 1 pixel= 1 kilometer.

[Carlotina]

The base data sounds good and the history certainly adds something to it. I could imagine, that there might be some connections between the Ahuan Empire, its downfall and Citimere - or that it stopped expanding. Something we might want to think about. ; )
Thank you for your support in regard to the rescaling.

Wonderful! And indeed, connections might be there, for of course, while the rise of Ahuan Fascism and the initial success of the efforts made by the government following this ideology may inspire some people in Citimere, others might rather be inspired by Social Democracy and the influence it had in Carlotinian politics of the time (and to an extent, still on modern-day Carlotinian Corporatism). It will be up to the Citimerese, if they find, "Hey, we've increased wealth by taking lost lands back!" more appealing than, "Hey, we've increased wealth by supporting trade unions and passing workers' protection laws!" - or not.
And as I said, Hrohasa is a thing that exists, and it can be a decisive factor as well. After all, it borders Ahua, it borders Aib, it borders two city-states that might not feel that safe anymore, and with its long share of the East Coast and potential trouble spots like the river delta where Tuggo, Laggs, and Mubos are located at, it certainly won't be disregarded as strategically irrelevant. It would now raise the question what kind of relations Hrohasa would have had with Ahua and Citimere alike.
I also think, I'll keep the idea of having Citimerese fighting alongside Carlotinians in the Moana Nui Islands. Granted, not many people who fought in a war in 1880 might still be alive by 1940, but their children certainly might, and it's a shared collective memory that doesn't just go away. It might have an influence on Citimerese, politicians and common folks alike. Like, "They are our old friends, and they try to warn us about something - and they might not be entirely wrong!"

And no problem! ^^

(I also hope, that you don't mind my little brainstorming on politics and history in this thread, and neither does anybody else ... ^^ although I'm sort of proud of myself to get to all these ideas before wasting a single thought on what number the Condate Orbital Highway might have. ^^)

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

so uh
what slots are open

because I think I know what to enter with

[Carlotina]

so uh
what slots are open

because I think I know what to enter with

As of currently, Citimere and Porcon are taken (I hope, I haven't forgotten any ...), so according to my knowledge, the islands in the north, as well as Trinchasa, Frijawa, and Lamer are still available.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

so uh
what slots are open

because I think I know what to enter with

As of currently, Citimere and Porcon are taken (I hope, I haven't forgotten any ...), so according to my knowledge, the islands in the north, as well as Trinchasa, Frijawa, and Lamer are still available.

I'll take those islands. What's the proper name?