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by The Chuck » Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:50 am
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by The Selkie » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:02 am
The Chuck wrote:Quick question Selks, what nations are the largest cotton manufacturers? I know this is an odd question but it'll make sense down the road
This also goes for everyone else, who here is a manufacturer of large amounts of raw cotton of the middling quality or higher?
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by Carlotina » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:20 am
Port Ember wrote:Oh no worries - I was not hinting at you specifically, I was just making a general reminder. War RP's in general has a tendency to favour one side unevenly.
The Selkie wrote:Yeah... and that would be a bit boring, wouldn't it?
Anyway: Here the first glimpses of our bad guys, the Ahuan Realm (or simply Ahua). What do you all think?
by Astares Amauricanum » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:40 am
by The Selkie » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:46 am
Carlotina wrote:Port Ember wrote:Oh no worries - I was not hinting at you specifically, I was just making a general reminder. War RP's in general has a tendency to favour one side unevenly.
That for sure. Although Citimere will have prominent pro-Ahuan factions as well, since even before 1940, Citimere had some ultranationalists, who won't consider labeled as fascists much of a dealbreaker. I will see how I get these into this thing. Groups of this sort are relatively small in Carlotina, but they do exist, even though they aren't going to play much of a role until ~1960.The Selkie wrote:
Wonderful! If you need help, gimme a shout! : DThe Selkie wrote:Yeah... and that would be a bit boring, wouldn't it?
Anyway: Here the first glimpses of our bad guys, the Ahuan Realm (or simply Ahua). What do you all think?
Will do! ^^
And the article already sounds neat! Makes it also easier to find some ideological counterparts, should the need arise (see above - with this said, Carlotinian agents might also have a look at possible fascist movements in Citimere).
Astares Amauricanum wrote:Okay everyone, after talking via TG with Selks and PE, here is what I'm planning:
Mandanda would be located where Porcon is, and they would feel threatened that if Ahua reacquires its lost territories of Menyz, they would step right at their door. As a semi democratic nation, with more free ideals, the Mandandans and their leader, President Castanera, would not tolerate such a thing.
Concerning Astares's contribution to this, it would come as help in form of the Lend-Lease, but also with some Astarians volunteering for combat under the Mandandan flag, similar to what happened in Finland during the Winter War of 1940.
So, what do you all think?
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by Astares Amauricanum » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:50 am
So far, looks good, but one question: "Not tolerate" in this case means...?
by The Selkie » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:54 am
Astares Amauricanum wrote:So far, looks good, but one question: "Not tolerate" in this case means...?
Basically, they don't want to have a bellicose and fascist nation right at their door step, they think they're going to be next on their list otherwise.
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by Astares Amauricanum » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:59 am
The Selkie wrote:Astares Amauricanum wrote:
Basically, they don't want to have a bellicose and fascist nation right at their door step, they think they're going to be next on their list otherwise.
Okay, let's see, how that will turn out for them. ; )
So, I leave you Porcon to make your own? City names are Calibri, size 10, country names are Calibri, size 24. Please keep the population reasonable.
by The Selkie » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:04 am
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by Mervay » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:05 am
The Selkie wrote:Before we work that out further, one important question: On who's side would you be?
by Astares Amauricanum » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:07 am
by Carlotina » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:13 am
Astares Amauricanum wrote:So far, looks good, but one question: "Not tolerate" in this case means...?
Basically, they don't want to have a bellicose and fascist nation right at their door step, they think they're going to be next on their list otherwise.
by The Selkie » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:19 am
Mervay wrote:The Selkie wrote:Before we work that out further, one important question: On who's side would you be?
That opposed to the facist nation since it's 1940 of course. Plus the sudden war there might threaten some of the trade routes of Mervay which wouldn't be seen with good eyes considering the fact that by now Submarine warfare is a thing and can harm any nation if not dealt with. The idea was to get into the war to make sure the flow of trade keeps going on to Asteria since one material is going there is rubber and by then synthetic rubber wasn't widely used as it will only gain it's share of the rubber being used in Mervay around the 1950's onward. I'm still considering if it would join IRL WWII or have it happen considering my map and the fact my continent is also named Europe; but is far different to IRL one.
Carlotina wrote:
No problem! So, there we go with ...
Easy to guess where I took my inspiration from, I guess. ^^ Now, as for population, since Ahua (proper) has 56.5 million citizens, would 13.2 million citizens for Citimere be a reasonable figure? It's not exactly an empire, after all ...Astares Amauricanum wrote:
Basically, they don't want to have a bellicose and fascist nation right at their door step, they think they're going to be next on their list otherwise.
Well, Citimere is a bit more lucky with that - unless Hrohasa gets to similar ideas ...
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by Astares Amauricanum » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:21 am
Considering, that this would make it the most populous nation on the continent by a wide margin, I would not mind, if you were to shave off 50 to 75 million people, but that is up to you.
And yes, that is basically how it's gonna work.
Plus the step of me integrating your work into the larger map, of course. ; )
by The Selkie » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:26 am
Astares Amauricanum wrote:Considering, that this would make it the most populous nation on the continent by a wide margin, I would not mind, if you were to shave off 50 to 75 million people, but that is up to you.
And yes, that is basically how it's gonna work.
Plus the step of me integrating your work into the larger map, of course. ; )
On that though, I suppose I'll have to use an image posting site. Do you want me to like Lillo and only do the image of Mandanda, or use the already available continent map?
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by Mervay » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:33 am
The Selkie wrote:If you want rubber-carrying freighters bound for Mervay-Europe (sorry, but otherwise we might confuse it with RL-Europe) be sunk and that being the thing, which gets Mervay into this war, I am sure, that we can arrange something. Rubber trees grow in the tropics, where some of the southernmost tips of the continent barely brush into, I'd say.
So... not enough for a substantial production.
Besides... I'm just realizing, that I might have screwed up big time, seeing the scale of the map. Stand by.
by The Selkie » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:48 am
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by The Selkie » Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:49 am
Mervay wrote:The Selkie wrote:If you want rubber-carrying freighters bound for Mervay-Europe (sorry, but otherwise we might confuse it with RL-Europe) be sunk and that being the thing, which gets Mervay into this war, I am sure, that we can arrange something. Rubber trees grow in the tropics, where some of the southernmost tips of the continent barely brush into, I'd say.
So... not enough for a substantial production.
Besides... I'm just realizing, that I might have screwed up big time, seeing the scale of the map. Stand by.
Indeed and Mervay isn't a tropical nation so we will certainly rely on the flow of trade for our rubber (and other resources that I should think aren't on the Mervayan Homeland or we have but are under the national resources reserve system) until synthetic rubber is mass produced and replace the real rubber.
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by Carlotina » Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:17 am
The Selkie wrote:Looks wonderful. And I would not know, where you got your inspiration from, oh, no! ; )
The Selkie wrote:I was right and I screwed up.
Aranna is very much partially in tropics. Until the next version of the map is online (Sunday, at the latest), imagine the Tropic of Cancer underlining the word 'Porcon'. As you all know, the Tropics are between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn.
Which means, that around there, there are tropical deserts and half-deserts, with the entire escalation going northwards...
So, here is the deal: Either we work with that massive continent and the massive distances involved in that - or we change the scale.
Currently, the scale is 1 pixel = 5 km. I would propose to change that to 1 pixel = 1 km (EDIT: 1 pixel = 2 km would be better, though). I would also move the Arctic Circle a bit up so that we have more of the two northern islands.
Why is that important in the first place? Well, ranges of aircraft and ships, travelling distances, population density, available land, climate (and thus crops), a whole host of things.
So, your opinions?
by The Selkie » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:00 pm
Carlotina wrote:The Selkie wrote:Looks wonderful. And I would not know, where you got your inspiration from, oh, no! ; )
Thank you! And yeah, the Inner Machinations of my mind are an enigma.
Also, good to hear, that I intuitively did the map thing right, although I have anticipated, that you were going to add our works to it. ^^
So, we have the basic data - 13.2 million Citimerese (yeah, I know, me and my demonyms again ... ^^), the capital is Condate, the largest city is Alisia. Now, of course, we wish to know what the average Citimerese does for a living.
The economic structure will consist of around 19% in the Primary Sector, 44% in the Secondary Sector, and 37% in the Tertiary Sector (these numbers are fairly realistic for 1940). Citimere makes a good Dollar of exporting coal and steel, especially in the central areas (hence why they are so densely populated in terms of largest cities), but shipbuilding and automobile manufacturing do play a major role as well. Citimere also has a noteworthy financial sector, which suffered a lot in the 1929 crisis, but is slowly recovering. Citimerese produce and drink lots of wine, especially white and rosé wine - red wine as well, although they might not be able to compete with the Lutetiians on a larger scale. The GDP per capita is around $1,500 (in 1940; this would be around $26,000 in 2020) a year, the total GDP therefore 19.8 billion, although this figure doesn't really reflect the inequality in distribution.
Politically, Citimere is pretty much your average Democratic Federal Republic; it used to be a Kingdom until the death of the last King leaving to progeny in 1907, thus, the monarchy ended peacefully. The Citimerese National Congress hosts a number of political parties, like the Citimerese National Alliance, the Citimerese Workers' Party, the Citimerese Regionalist Alliance, the Citimerese Freedom Coalition, and many smaller parties like a Citimerese Syndicalist Party and even a Citimerese Technocratic Alliance. They rule in various coalitions (as of currently, CNA, CRA, and CFC); party affiliation is not necessarily an indicator for a politician's points of view. (Yes, the political culture quite reflects how close it is to my other nations, which I did on purpose. ^^) Fascist parties are mostly fringe groups as of now, but that might change.The Selkie wrote:I was right and I screwed up.
Aranna is very much partially in tropics. Until the next version of the map is online (Sunday, at the latest), imagine the Tropic of Cancer underlining the word 'Porcon'. As you all know, the Tropics are between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn.
Which means, that around there, there are tropical deserts and half-deserts, with the entire escalation going northwards...
So, here is the deal: Either we work with that massive continent and the massive distances involved in that - or we change the scale.
Currently, the scale is 1 pixel = 5 km. I would propose to change that to 1 pixel = 1 km (EDIT: 1 pixel = 2 km would be better, though). I would also move the Arctic Circle a bit up so that we have more of the two northern islands.
Why is that important in the first place? Well, ranges of aircraft and ships, travelling distances, population density, available land, climate (and thus crops), a whole host of things.
So, your opinions?
I'd be onboard with changing the scale to 1 px = 2 km. That way, Citimere would have a north-south span of around 600 km and around half of it in east-west direction, so a bit smaller than Florida. I can work with this. Depending on the climate it would have then, it might be less or more dependent on Carlotina when it comes to tropical fruits, but it changes little of my above paragraph (as of now - it will, of course, become important in the near future).
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by Astares Amauricanum » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:02 pm
by Carlotina » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:35 pm
The Selkie wrote:The base data sounds good and the history certainly adds something to it. I could imagine, that there might be some connections between the Ahuan Empire, its downfall and Citimere - or that it stopped expanding. Something we might want to think about. ; )
Thank you for your support in regard to the rescaling.
by Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:13 pm
by Carlotina » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:20 pm
Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:so uh
what slots are open
because I think I know what to enter with
by Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:09 pm
Carlotina wrote:Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:so uh
what slots are open
because I think I know what to enter with
As of currently, Citimere and Porcon are taken (I hope, I haven't forgotten any ...), so according to my knowledge, the islands in the north, as well as Trinchasa, Frijawa, and Lamer are still available.
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