and Shelby County and Janus. all implied in expanding the Court above.
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Theberstan wrote:Remind me again why this thread hasn’t been whisked away by the NS mods.
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Theberstan wrote:Remind me again why this thread hasn’t been whisked away by the NS mods.
by Resilient Acceleration » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:41 pm
Bombadil wrote:Resilient Acceleration wrote:I never said I live in the US... Also the last 2019 student protests against the horrific crime bill was very effective, and succeeded in the parliament postponing the bill for a
few years. Yet the movement quickly fell apart after the student leaders were called to TV debates, exposing the cracks between them while public policy experts grilled them to the abyss. Things like this can be used to build a clear public consensus, and unite differing factions to effectively voice for changes.
I don't live in the US either, but this site does revolve around US politics a lot, and the OP is about the US, mostly I'm talking about the lethargy in changing a system rather than most people's response here which is to reject change without thought.
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by Narland » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:47 pm
The Nover Thura wrote:The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.
But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.
I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.
What are your thought?
by Lord Dominator » Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:53 pm
by Narland » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:05 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Your little essay would be better if it didn't attempt to make snide comments about major parties in ignorance of historical developments of them between the US Civil War and the present day.
by Theberstan » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:06 pm
by Theberstan » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:08 pm
Narland wrote:The Nover Thura wrote:The United States is supposed to be the land of freedom, justice and equality. At least, that is what we are all taught. Reality is far different as the USA is plague by racism, homophobia, class inequality and oppression of minorities. A lot of people defend this horror as patriotism. This is not surprising since America was literally founded by a bunch of old aristocrat who were racist slave owners. And America largely reflect this with its dark history and ongoing oppression of the people.
But today, people are starting to see this. People are demanding change but the reactionaries are defend racism as patriotism because of the constitution and the founding fathers. So my question to you is, would it be good idea to abolish the United States and replace it with a new country. A new country with no dark history, no racist founders, and a constitution that guarantee freedom and equality for all.
I think this is good idea. It can be a America for all people where racism is not patriotic, where there is no dark history and the first president is not a slave owner. It could be an example that can lead to a better world for all, I think.
What are your thought?
Normally I would say that you are trolling, but because of the state of the US failed education system my hunch is that they (US public education) has failed you spectacularly. I am saddened that this is not a satirical post. Nonetheless here are my thoughts:
Perhaps we can become Communist China. Oh wait, those of Han Chinese ethnic descent are throwing Uyghars into forced labor camps and have been commiting slow genocide on Tibet for decades. I wonder what minorities the US Army is rounding up in our cities and forcing them into forced labor camps. None?... huh. Not very racist of us to let anyone work and live anywhere they want regardless of their melanin content.
Maybe we can become Iran. Oh wait. LBGTQ are defenestrated, imprisoned, or forced into mental asylums. I wonder how may LBGTQ the US Marshall's Service are rounding up and tossing off of skyscrapers? None?... hmmm. Not very homophobic of us to let us march openly in the streets every Pride Day.
Maybe we can become North Korea. Oh wait. The great leader is obese in a land of people literally eating grass and bark in order to provide basic sustenance as they starve to death in their "classless" Utopian people's paradise. I wonder how many of America's underclass, and poor are required to restrict themselves to rations cards by the Department of Labor and told at the point of a gun that it a privilege to hunger for the Great Leader. There is no food on the commissary shelves and it is a crime against the state to eat anything not on the allotment (that the Party is too inept to be able to provide)? none?.. how about that? Hmmm. Not very elitist of us when we can all move to any state that still mostly recognizes the right to the pursuit of happiness and start their own own business, work as an employee, or take risks to improve their livelihood and become as fat and sassy as the economy will allow.
It is a crime in many countries to move, travel more than 20 miles, or even holiday without explicit State permission btw. Can you image having to go to an equivalent of the DMV to apply for a certificate leave your immediate jurisdiction? It boggles the mind that there are such petty people in charge of government out there.
Half of this country's States had been free, and half had held to chattel slavery. After 70 years as a nation one party rose up in the bloodiest war we have ever engaged in against in many cases their own family to abolish slavery and let every one have the same freedom and equality throughout the land. Which party was that I wonder? What party was it that fought like fury to keep their slaves? hmmm. Interesting.
Which half of America was it that passed the 13th, 14th and 14th Amendments against the howling of the vanquished other half to recognize the freed slaves the right to citizenship, equality under the Law, and the right to vote? Which half of America was it that resisted the Reconstruction and formed their own terrorist group garbed in bedsheets to keep person's of color from enjoying their new found freedom?
I could go on about who among us opposed the Jim Crow laws and who fought for them, and which half of America fought for the Civil Rights Acts from the 1876 until now. The point is each generation of Americans faced a societal ill and rose up to the challenge to fight against the evil doers in our midst. If we hadn't there would still be an America of half the States being free and half of the States holding to chattel slavery.
It has been illegal in the United States since the Civil War to discriminate by race, creed and color of skin. How about that? But some of the people in the Untied States (Democrats) failed to recognize it. So half of us (GOP) had to fight that Party to stop their evil every step of the way. At any time anyone who didn't like living under the Democratic Party could leave their oppressors and move to a State that from the beginning recognized abolition, suffrage, civil rights, freedom and equality under the law. Have your teachers even mentioned that?
My grandmother escaped from Oklahoma (no exaggeration) to live in a State (Wyoming, then later Idaho) that recognized her as a human being first, and not as a miscegenation half-breed that her birth state (run by Democrats) required to be put on her birth certificate.
America is based on an idea that all natural persons are created equal, that they all have inherent right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness; and that the sole purpose of the government is to secure those rights. Those who appose this (mostly Democrats, but many GOP in positions of power) fight this and support tyranny and despotism do not love their country and are thus are both unpatriots and unamerican -- viz., the are not Patriots and they are certainly Unamerican. Patriotism is loving your country enough to support it when it is right, and to change it when it is in the wrong. That is what every patriotic nation does. Unpatriotic nations just don't give a care.
I am happy to live in a country that started out giving suffrage to more of the general population than any other nation in modern history. Did your teachers mention that? Probably not.
I am happy to live in a country that has expanded suffrage from interested landed gentry to eventually all citizens regardless of race, creed, skin color, sex, creed, or national origin. That is the law of the land, and there are still countries where women cannot vote, cannot drive a car, and cannot be out alone in public without a familial escort.
I am happy to live in a country that fought a bloody civil war to end chattel slavery based on skin color. After all, race based on skin color is a political fiction created by demagogues to control weak minds. We are all one race -- human. Anyone who has a problem with that has a problem with both American Law and Christianity, of which many Americans identify.
I am happy to live in a country where anybody of any ideology can freely declare a day of celebration and march in the streets should they so desire. There are many that will hunt you down and crush you if you do not cowtow to the State ideology.
I am happy to live in a country that went half-way across the world to end the menace of fascism.
I am happy to live in a country, and be part of a generation that was part of economically defeating Soviet Communism, and watch 10s of millions set free from the oppressive serfdom of Marxist oppression.
I am not so happy that we are no longer a free country regarding work and business, but Trump has given me hope that the right to pursiut of happiness unmolested by despotism (over-regulation) will once again be recognized by the petty ruling class amongst us. Most people have to register their business in a state that is not the state they live in order be self-employed, or run their own business. Employees have to move to where the jobs are, but this has always been the case. But in the freer States the wage to cost of living ratios are to many of us still worth moving to, in order to better our lives.
I could go on, but that is the preponderance to my thoughts on the issue. There are other countries that are worse than us, but few that are better all around, because we have 50 different States in which to move to find someplace to live comfortably.
by Picairn » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:10 pm
by Lord Dominator » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:22 pm
Narland wrote:Thank you. You are right, it would be better. But I am not being snide, I am being light-hearted because this amount of misunderstanding is soul crushing and very damaging. A false understanding of history worse than none at all. The blame is squarely on failure of the educators, not the student.Lord Dominator wrote:Your little essay would be better if it didn't attempt to make snide comments about major parties in ignorance of historical developments of them between the US Civil War and the present day.
Picairn wrote:I stopped reading that little essay once I reached the part about "the snide comments about major parties in ignorance of historical developments of them between the US Civil War and the present day" and the Trump support nonsense.
by Picairn » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:25 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Glad to be of assistance
by Bombadil » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:48 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:55 pm
Bombadil wrote: The Founding Fathers and the Constitution become almost static pillars to a point of being a thing that makes genuinely looking at change very difficult.
by Sepulcrisur » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:57 pm
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by Bombadil » Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:14 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Bombadil wrote: The Founding Fathers and the Constitution become almost static pillars to a point of being a thing that makes genuinely looking at change very difficult.
This seems to me particularly insightful. There hasn't been an amendment in ages, and that was a rather trivial one.
There's an argument to be made that Incorporation of the constitution has made amendments almost impossible. The states didn't mind putting restrictions or even granting powers to Federal government, but now they know an amendment can apply to them too, they see amendments as a federal power grab.
by Maroza » Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:24 pm
Resilient Acceleration wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:The United States is holding a lot of debt. If it was abolished, creditors would seize most or all of its assets. National parks, military equipment, that sort of thing.
Not if we replace it with the glorious state of Octavia.
Sepulcrisur wrote:If you ask me, I think the United States should be divided into separate regions. I don’t mean that each state has to be its own independent country, what I’m saying is that each region should contain around 8 - 10 states. However, the United States doesn’t necessarily need to be abolished just because of its racism and dark past. Nevertheless, I support the idea of the United States being divided.
by Lord Dominator » Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:39 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Bombadil wrote: The Founding Fathers and the Constitution become almost static pillars to a point of being a thing that makes genuinely looking at change very difficult.
This seems to me particularly insightful. There hasn't been an amendment in ages, and that was a rather trivial one.
There's an argument to be made that Incorporation of the constitution has made amendments almost impossible. The states didn't mind putting restrictions or even granting powers to Federal government, but now they know an amendment can apply to them too, they see amendments as a federal power grab.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:59 pm
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