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by Iorada » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:44 am
by Broni » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:49 am
by Holy Roman Empires2 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:51 am
by Novus America » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:58 am
Iorada wrote:We're going into a second Cold War, with an ascendant China and a declining West, so naturally there is going to be an enormous anti-China media drive. I have certainly noticed an upsurge this year, and if you haven't I don't know what planet you're living on. First it started with the "China Virus", then it was the assertion that China must be lying about its numbers because of how Covid has devastated capitalist countries such as the US, UK, Russia and Brazil, so therefore China must be lying about its numbers. Then it was the Hong Kong National Security Act, which despite the fact is a common piece of legislation seen across the world, not least in the USA, is "completely unacceptable" for China, (even though Hong Kong is China, its people are Chinese, it was an Imperial outpost which it never should have been.) Then its the complete crap about Uyghur enslavement, contradictory to the fact that millions of people in Xinjiang have been lifted out of poverty, which is being pushed by Adrian Zenz (fundamentalist Christian, supported by Endowment For Democracy, high up in the Victims of Communism Memorial Fund). Since when did the west start caring about Muslims?! Islamophobia pervades all western societies, there have been countless Muslim countries bombed to oblivion, millions of muslims killed and the plight of people in Palestine and Yemen completely ignored, with it being deemed anti-Semitic to criticise Israel in any way and the West supplying tons of weapons to Saudi Arabia. The West only cares about Muslims that have oil to trade with them. What does the west suggest China do with Xinjiang? Just leave the people in abject poverty, uneducated and leave it a breeding ground for radicalisation and terrorism? Lest we forget the role of the Turkistan Islamic Party in Syria. And now its crap like this. Despite my belief that Taiwan is China, I really don't think China would invade it, it makes no sense in the current political climate.
China is not this horrible, human rights deficient society where everyone is oppressed and hates the government like so many of you believe. I have many friends from China, who live here in the UK and frequently point out to me areas where China is different and better. Superior infrastructure, better policies on development and employment, stronger healthcare etc. Ask yourself what human rights do the homeless, the starving, the unemployed, ethnic minorities etc have in the west. The only human rights the west cares about are electoral, where you can vote for which colour of party is going to hand your money over to the rich.
China is on the up, the Yuan is swiftly developing as the dollar declines. China will be the world's largest economy in 2030. Its sustainable growth is yet another example of how socialism creates superpowers in a few short decades from backwards, third world countries, just like the USSR proved in the 20th century.
by Punished UMN » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:22 am
Broni wrote:Parallel: Argentine junta is on its last legs - invades Falklands
Parallel: Putin's popularity is heading for the sink - invades Crimea
Parallel: Bush is heading for big defeat in the midterms - invades first Afghanistan then Iraq
Conclusion: Xi's power base is getting shaky at the moment.
by Glorious Hong Kong » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:55 am
by Stellar Colonies » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:10 am
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Iorada » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:54 am
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Time for Washington to formally recognize Taiwan as a separate nation from China and ship nuclear warheads to the island in order to deter a Chinese invasion attempt. May China never know peace as long as the CCP remains in power. I do not want to see a war with China, but if WWIII happens, I'll be rooting unconditionally for the USA, Japan, India, Australia, Taiwan, and ALL of China's enemies both within and outside the PRC's borders until the PLA either surrenders unconditionally or is completely wiped from the face of the Earth by Allied forces, and the CCP ceases to exist in any way, shape or form. I'm even prepared to grant Russia some leeway despite the latter's unforgivable atrocities against Syrian civilians, LGBT people in Chechnya, its imperialist annexation of Crimea, and its constant meddling in the political affairs of other countries.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:10 am
Iorada wrote:We're going into a second Cold War, with an ascendant China and a declining West, so naturally there is going to be an enormous anti-China media drive. I have certainly noticed an upsurge this year, and if you haven't I don't know what planet you're living on. First it started with the "China Virus", then it was the assertion that China must be lying about its numbers because of how Covid has devastated capitalist countries such as the US, UK, Russia and Brazil, so therefore China must be lying about its numbers. Then it was the Hong Kong National Security Act, which despite the fact is a common piece of legislation seen across the world, not least in the USA, is "completely unacceptable" for China, (even though Hong Kong is China, its people are Chinese, it was an Imperial outpost which it never should have been.) Then its the complete crap about Uyghur enslavement, contradictory to the fact that millions of people in Xinjiang have been lifted out of poverty, which is being pushed by Adrian Zenz (fundamentalist Christian, supported by Endowment For Democracy, high up in the Victims of Communism Memorial Fund). Since when did the west start caring about Muslims?! Islamophobia pervades all western societies, there have been countless Muslim countries bombed to oblivion, millions of muslims killed and the plight of people in Palestine and Yemen completely ignored, with it being deemed anti-Semitic to criticise Israel in any way and the West supplying tons of weapons to Saudi Arabia. The West only cares about Muslims that have oil to trade with them. What does the west suggest China do with Xinjiang? Just leave the people in abject poverty, uneducated and leave it a breeding ground for radicalisation and terrorism? Lest we forget the role of the Turkistan Islamic Party in Syria. And now its crap like this. Despite my belief that Taiwan is China, I really don't think China would invade it, it makes no sense in the current political climate.
China is not this horrible, human rights deficient society where everyone is oppressed and hates the government like so many of you believe. I have many friends from China, who live here in the UK and frequently point out to me areas where China is different and better. Superior infrastructure, better policies on development and employment, stronger healthcare etc. Ask yourself what human rights do the homeless, the starving, the unemployed, ethnic minorities etc have in the west. The only human rights the west cares about are electoral, where you can vote for which colour of party is going to hand your money over to the rich.
China is on the up, the Yuan is swiftly developing as the dollar declines. China will be the world's largest economy in 2030. Its sustainable growth is yet another example of how socialism creates superpowers in a few short decades from backwards, third world countries, just like the USSR proved in the 20th century.
by Ansarre » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:32 am
by Pilipinas and Malaya » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:44 am
Iorada wrote:Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Time for Washington to formally recognize Taiwan as a separate nation from China and ship nuclear warheads to the island in order to deter a Chinese invasion attempt. May China never know peace as long as the CCP remains in power. I do not want to see a war with China, but if WWIII happens, I'll be rooting unconditionally for the USA, Japan, India, Australia, Taiwan, and ALL of China's enemies both within and outside the PRC's borders until the PLA either surrenders unconditionally or is completely wiped from the face of the Earth by Allied forces, and the CCP ceases to exist in any way, shape or form. I'm even prepared to grant Russia some leeway despite the latter's unforgivable atrocities against Syrian civilians, LGBT people in Chechnya, its imperialist annexation of Crimea, and its constant meddling in the political affairs of other countries.
What an utter tw*t.
by Pilipinas and Malaya » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:45 am
by Stellar Colonies » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:45 am
Ansarre wrote:Intimidating our allies, genocide of a marginalized minority, and suppression of the rights of people living under their tyrannical rule. This is why we need to invade the land controlled by the "Chinese Communist Party" and restore the rule of the legitimate Chinese government. If you think this is shocking to advocate for, people said the same about war with the Nazis!
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Ansarre » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:50 am
Stellar Colonies wrote:Ansarre wrote:Intimidating our allies, genocide of a marginalized minority, and suppression of the rights of people living under their tyrannical rule. This is why we need to invade the land controlled by the "Chinese Communist Party" and restore the rule of the legitimate Chinese government. If you think this is shocking to advocate for, people said the same about war with the Nazis!
An invasion of the PRC would fail as spectacularly as an invasion of the US.
by Novus America » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:53 am
Ansarre wrote:Intimidating our allies, genocide of a marginalized minority, and suppression of the rights of people living under their tyrannical rule. This is why we need to invade the land controlled by the "Chinese Communist Party" and restore the rule of the legitimate Chinese government. If you think this is shocking to advocate for, people said the same about war with the Nazis!
by Novus America » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:58 am
Ansarre wrote:Stellar Colonies wrote:An invasion of the PRC would fail as spectacularly as an invasion of the US.
Many people probably said the same about war with Germany in the 1930s. Fact of the matter is, the illegal PRC regime is the biggest threat that western civilization has ever faced. If we let them continue then they'll overpower us anyway. I'd rather have them assume global dominance in the next few decades via defeating us in a war, than gradually within the next half a dozen decades because of our own cowardice.
by Stellar Colonies » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:01 pm
Novus America wrote:Ansarre wrote:Intimidating our allies, genocide of a marginalized minority, and suppression of the rights of people living under their tyrannical rule. This is why we need to invade the land controlled by the "Chinese Communist Party" and restore the rule of the legitimate Chinese government. If you think this is shocking to advocate for, people said the same about war with the Nazis!
Who is this we you refer to?
Given your dislike of the US and Russia who is with you in this?
Although I am obviously no fan of the PRC, think it the biggest threat we face, and we (and in we I mean the US, UK, EU, Japan, India, Taiwan, Australia and maybe even Russia if we could get them onboard although Russian participation is neither likely nor essential, really the US and India are the essential ones, the others while very helpful are not all strictly needed) must take actions to contain it and protect ourselves from it, an actually invasion is simply not viable.
We were able to invade Nazi Germany only via them having a much smaller population than the PRC, and them having no nuclear weapons.
Politically, economically and logistically we lack the ability to pull off such a feat against the PRC.
But we have other ways to deter them.
Ban their products and companies from our countries (unfortunately this would require a phase out and cannot be done immediately), ban their propaganda operations, build up our military deterrence and ban all members of the CCP from traveling to or doing an business in our countries, etc.
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Adamede » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:04 pm
by New Rogernomics » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:06 pm
by Asle Leopolka » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:06 pm
Diahon wrote:Stop the presses. Stop the fucking presses.China is sending military planes near Taiwan with increasing frequency in what appears to be a stepping up of its threat to use force to take control of the island, Taiwan’s foreign minister said Wednesday.
oh shit oh fuck oh shit oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck
That lead doesn't fuck around, does it?
I don't know if anyone who's been watching Xi long enough saw this as an inevitability, but this is to me a shocker, an outlier beyond even my wildest expectations of what this year is going to be like.
<SNIP>
New Rogernomics wrote:China's aggression at mininum will lead to a major arms race in the region, and nuclear proliferation of China's neighbors. Within this or next decade we can expect nuclear weapons permanently stationed by the US in Taiwan or even maybe South Korea, as soon conventional weapons won't be able to be an effective deterrent to invasion. The irony in Chinese foreign policy is that they won't only not get what they want in terms of territory, and instead will find themselves more threatened and more at risk.
by The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:07 pm
by Ansarre » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:08 pm
Novus America wrote:Ansarre wrote:Intimidating our allies, genocide of a marginalized minority, and suppression of the rights of people living under their tyrannical rule. This is why we need to invade the land controlled by the "Chinese Communist Party" and restore the rule of the legitimate Chinese government. If you think this is shocking to advocate for, people said the same about war with the Nazis!
Who is this we you refer to?
Given your dislike of the US and Russia who is with you in this?
Although I am obviously no fan of the PRC, think it the biggest threat we face, and we (and in we I mean the US, UK, EU, Japan, India, Taiwan, Australia and maybe even Russia if we could get them onboard although Russian participation is neither likely nor essential, really the US and India are the essential ones, the others while very helpful are not all strictly needed) must take actions to contain it and protect ourselves from it, an actually invasion is simply not viable.
We were able to invade Nazi Germany only via them having a much smaller population than the PRC, and them having no nuclear weapons.
Politically, economically and logistically we lack the ability to pull off such a feat against the PRC.
But we have other ways to deter them.
Ban their products and companies from our countries (unfortunately this would require a phase out and cannot be done immediately), ban their propaganda operations, build up our military deterrence and ban all members of the CCP from traveling to or doing an business in our countries, etc.
by New Rogernomics » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:14 pm
In a hypothetical war, the Chinese navy would be gradually wiped out, though their Air Force and Army would stlll be a major threat. Regardless of how China's economy goes, they will continue to be such a threat. Though, if we include India and Vietnam as likely US allies in any future engagement, it is possible China would be on the losing end, as the Chinese military for all it's advancements is poorly trained, struggles to fill and keep positions, and has poor logistics.Asle Leopolka wrote:China has been a paper tiger and currency manipulator for years and I fully expect it to crumple within our lifetime.
by Novus America » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:22 pm
Ansarre wrote:Novus America wrote:
Who is this we you refer to?
Given your dislike of the US and Russia who is with you in this?
I should state I have no dislike of the USA, at least not relative to Russia. When I say "No to America, no to Russia, no to China, YES TO EUROPE", my "No to America" isn't the same as my "no" to Russia and China, it's just a recognition that America isn't as reliable as it could be and that Europe needs to empower itself in the event that we don't have America as an ally.
By we I mean NATO/the Western World.Although I am obviously no fan of the PRC, think it the biggest threat we face, and we (and in we I mean the US, UK, EU, Japan, India, Taiwan, Australia and maybe even Russia if we could get them onboard although Russian participation is neither likely nor essential, really the US and India are the essential ones, the others while very helpful are not all strictly needed) must take actions to contain it and protect ourselves from it, an actually invasion is simply not viable.
We were able to invade Nazi Germany only via them having a much smaller population than the PRC, and them having no nuclear weapons.
Politically, economically and logistically we lack the ability to pull off such a feat against the PRC.
But we have other ways to deter them.
Ban their products and companies from our countries (unfortunately this would require a phase out and cannot be done immediately), ban their propaganda operations, build up our military deterrence and ban all members of the CCP from traveling to or doing an business in our countries, etc.
This wouldn't stop the CCP, it would just embolden them to find a way to work around it and move on without the west. We need swift action. If invasion is off the table, having their leadership kick the bucket and inciting unrest within the territories it illegally occupied is a priority. Also there is no country called Taiwan, it is the Republic of China. Stop spreading CCP propaganda.
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