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by God-King Rorschach » Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:20 pm
by Quebecshire » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:37 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Washingtonian Republic » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:13 pm
Quebecshire wrote:Since Thatcher and Tim are so concerned about "ableism" in the LCN, and the word "retard" being considered a slur for ableism, I wonder if he will say anything about the NSGP Discord server's lack of moderation enforcement for the word.
Considering I found 89 uses of the term, every single one of which is in a more recent time period than Thatcher's screenshot of the Nagarno insult, 64 of which were non-quoting just casual uses of the word, including by the server owner which Tim uses a quote from in his signature.
Now, I'm not going to pass judgement on anybody. It seems every use I counted was in a non-abusive casual way. I don't see a problem with it. The NSGP server, while housing some arrogant members, seems safe and moderated.
But uh, I call total fucking hypocrisy on part of Thatcher and Tim and anyone else whining about "ableism" in the LCN while being on that server and not saying a word about that. Is NSGP an unsafe and discriminatory environment?
Neither servers are doing nothing wrong is my stance, but at least be consistent. Also, I know a number of the people this applies to lurk here, so don't pretend you aren't aware
by North Prarie » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:01 am
God-King Rorschach wrote:I don't want to drag too far this conversation, because it's already becoming pointless and I am currently enjoying a wonderful glass of wine - but - the NS over the past 2 years has been developing a dangerous cancel culture by self-proclaimed members/users of the so-called "respectable" GP.
To everyone reading this message and finding themselves superiors towards all others. You can't cancel cultures and most certainly you can't dictate, mandate or tell regions how to run their regional affairs and most certainly your way is not, by any means, the best way either. Your plans or strategies might work for your community but they do not work for other communities. And for crying out loud, you can't dictate or tell regions that they need to change their PR strategies just because they fundamentally disagree with whatever you have to say.
To the LCN and everyone that find themselves in a way into similar waters, "You'll make mistakes, and that's good, 'cause it tells you that at least decisions are being made". Keep on going strong and continue making small steps of improvement. I’m convinced that about half of what separates successful leaders from the non-successful ones is pure perseverance. Keep fighting despite how difficult it may be at times and you are going to make it.
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by The New Fandom Republic » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:59 am
by Quebecshire » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:30 am
The New Fandom Republic wrote:Rorschach:*Detailed and pretty strong statement about the current topic*
North Prarie:lMaO oK hArRy
Really encapsulates this whole situation honestly.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by The New Fandom Republic » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:58 pm
Quebecshire wrote:The New Fandom Republic wrote:Rorschach:*Detailed and pretty strong statement about the current topic*
North Prarie:lMaO oK hArRy
Really encapsulates this whole situation honestly.
Not nearly as much as when Harry posted something on RTL about the original topic and someone replied asking what he was talking about because the thread is that far detached from it now.
by Boda » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:51 pm
God-King Rorschach wrote:I don't want to drag too far this conversation, because it's already becoming pointless and I am currently enjoying a wonderful glass of wine - but - the NS over the past 2 years has been developing a dangerous cancel culture by self-proclaimed members/users of the so-called "respectable" GP.
To everyone reading this message and finding themselves superiors towards all others. You can't cancel cultures and most certainly you can't dictate, mandate or tell regions how to run their regional affairs and most certainly your way is not, by any means, the best way either. Your plans or strategies might work for your community but they do not work for other communities. And for crying out loud, you can't dictate or tell regions that they need to change their PR strategies just because they fundamentally disagree with whatever you have to say.
To the LCN and everyone that find themselves in a way into similar waters, "You'll make mistakes, and that's good, 'cause it tells you that at least decisions are being made". Keep on going strong and continue making small steps of improvement. I’m convinced that about half of what separates successful leaders from the non-successful ones is pure perseverance. Keep fighting despite how difficult it may be at times and you are going to make it.
by The Legion of Mankind » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:09 pm
Boda wrote:God-King Rorschach wrote:I don't want to drag too far this conversation, because it's already becoming pointless and I am currently enjoying a wonderful glass of wine - but - the NS over the past 2 years has been developing a dangerous cancel culture by self-proclaimed members/users of the so-called "respectable" GP.
To everyone reading this message and finding themselves superiors towards all others. You can't cancel cultures and most certainly you can't dictate, mandate or tell regions how to run their regional affairs and most certainly your way is not, by any means, the best way either. Your plans or strategies might work for your community but they do not work for other communities. And for crying out loud, you can't dictate or tell regions that they need to change their PR strategies just because they fundamentally disagree with whatever you have to say.
To the LCN and everyone that find themselves in a way into similar waters, "You'll make mistakes, and that's good, 'cause it tells you that at least decisions are being made". Keep on going strong and continue making small steps of improvement. I’m convinced that about half of what separates successful leaders from the non-successful ones is pure perseverance. Keep fighting despite how difficult it may be at times and you are going to make it.
#cancelculture is blessed tho.
by Lyoa » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:07 am
Faroic wrote:i like how this thread went so far from the actual topic ahahahahahah
by Amaan Land » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:59 am
Faroic wrote:i like how this thread went so far from the actual topic ahahahahahah
by Quebecshire » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:27 am
Faroic wrote:i like how this thread went so far from the actual topic ahahahahahah
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by North Prarie » Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:51 am
The New Fandom Republic wrote:Rorschach:*Detailed and pretty strong statement about the current topic*
North Prarie:lMaO oK hArRy
Really encapsulates this whole situation honestly.
SBT BottomLine-President Valieant welcomes first child Pax, Social Democrats gain big wins in Parliament elections, Lions win NPBL, Cavaliers win Prarie Hockey Cup, NPFA announces slow move away from world affairs
by God-King Rorschach » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:09 am
by Quebecshire » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:50 am
North Prarie wrote:The New Fandom Republic wrote:Rorschach:*Detailed and pretty strong statement about the current topic*
North Prarie:lMaO oK hArRy
Really encapsulates this whole situation honestly.
I mean, that's pretty much NSGP's reaction to anything Enadia does.
There's a saying that really encapsulates people's views about "cancel culture" - if you throw a rock in a pig pen, the one that squeals is the one that got hit.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Paleocacher » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:21 pm
by Quebecshire » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:14 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Roavin » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:34 am
by The New Fandom Republic » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:56 am
Roavin wrote:I find it encouraging that you're doing this. Here are some sincere and heartfelt suggestions from me to improve the process;
First, Look at how some other big established regions handle this. These are either battle-hardened documents, or they've been inspired by other battle-hardened documents, and in either case don't represent just a contrivance of rules but are based on some experience of what works and what doesn't. I can mention TSP's Community Standards (which falls in the latter category), but there are other regions such as TNP, Europeia, and even the NS website itself that should be looked at.
Second, get some advice from unrelated admin/moderation teams. They won't (usually) say no, and quite the contrary will be happy to help out. TSP would certainly be willing to (and I'm a part of it there). TNP would probably also be willing to take a look, and I know from experience that they will give sincere and honest advice if dealt with sincerely and in good faith, and they won't ridicule you in public about it.
Third, don't just decide to do it all in one voice chat session. This is a complex topic, and ideally you can do this iteratively over the span of a few weeks.
by Quebecshire » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:01 am
Roavin wrote:I find it encouraging that you're doing this. Here are some sincere and heartfelt suggestions from me to improve the process;
First, Look at how some other big established regions handle this.
Roavin wrote:These are either battle-hardened documents, or they've been inspired by other battle-hardened documents, and in either case don't represent just a contrivance of rules but are based on some experience of what works and what doesn't. I can mention TSP's Community Standards (which falls in the latter category), but there are other regions such as TNP, Europeia, and even the NS website itself that should be looked at.
Roavin wrote:Second, get some advice from unrelated admin/moderation teams. They won't (usually) say no, and quite the contrary will be happy to help out. TSP would certainly be willing to (and I'm a part of it there). TNP would probably also be willing to take a look, and I know from experience that they will give sincere and honest advice if dealt with sincerely and in good faith, and they won't ridicule you in public about it.
Roavin wrote:Third, don't just decide to do it all in one voice chat session. This is a complex topic, and ideally you can do this iteratively over the span of a few weeks.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Roavin » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:42 am
by Quebecshire » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:06 am
Roavin wrote:I'm confused why you're being so defensive - I'm trying to sincerely and in good faith offer suggestions so that you all can find a good way to move forward. Obviously it's your region's decision (and I didn't say otherwise).
Roavin wrote:I'm not sure if I understood correctly, but are (IC) governance and (OOC) moderation the same thing in LCN? If so, there are many, many reasons this isn't done, as these are two completely separate levels of the NationStates experience. My probably strongest piece of advice would be to separate the two - the founder and discord/forum administrators/moderators should do moderation, and the government should do governance, and these two shouldn't be related whatsoever. I or many others would be happy to elaborate on the reasons for this, though I would think they are relatively self-evident.
Roavin wrote:There is a certain standard that's expected (mainstream NSGP has a much higher standard than most of the internet, which is a good thing). You should try being at least at that standard, and some outreach can help you find it, because otherwise you will find it very difficult to have interactions with other regions. The reason you've had these recent embassy closures is precisely because of these OOC moderation-related standards, rather than any actual political gameplay situation.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Quebecshire » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:22 am
The Server Rules, mandated and enforced by the Office of the Consulate and the @League's Police Force, will be posted here for ease of access.
Forward Note:
This is a server largely composed of minors for a simulation game. These rules are expected to be followed to maintain what has been and continues to be a safe community and environment.
In the context of Discord Server Rules Moderator/Moderation refers to the LPF and its members, and Administrator/Administration refers to the Consulate.
1. Server Police have the authority to enforce these rules at their discretion when they feel it is best for the discord server, the users, and the region at large. They are accountable to the Consulate and by extension the people when they exercise this mandated authority.1.1 Rules function as intended.
1.2 Rules may apply differently between text and voice channels. This is up to Consular/LPF discretion.
2. Server Police actions are definite, if you have any further issue with it you can contact a Consul. However, arguing with them over it in the moment is a waste of time.2.1 The #police-reports channel is not for debating moderators or administrators regarding punishments or rule interpretations. The most applicable channel for that is #capitol.
3. These rules apply to all members of the Discord Server.3.1 The speed at which punishments are applied to you may depend on your status in regards to the region, specifically between Citizen, Stayer, Diplomat, and Visitor.
4. NSFW content is not allowed. If you are unsure if your content is NSFW, you are simply advised not to post it. If you want to, contact a member of the Server Police regarding it, however, you accept a risk of punishment for ambiguous content.
5. Use channels appropriately.5.1 No spamming outside of the #meme-spam channel.
5.2 Do not use bot commands outside of #bot-commands unless the bot command is only feasible to be in that channel. This is up to Consular/LPF discretion.
5.3 Professionalism/respectful behavior is expected within government channels. This is up to Consular/LPF discretion. See Rule 9 as well.
6. Don’t harass fellow members of the server.6.1 Those who feel as if they have been harassed or mistreated and do not believe it has been sufficiently addressed should consult #police-reports and tag the @Consul of the Republic role, or, if they feel that would incur more harassment, privately DM the Consuls.
7. If what you are posting could poorly reflect on our community and region (or any region or group you represent), or cause unintended consequences, reconsider if it’s helpful or necessary (basically, be mindful of your actions). This is up to Consular/LPF discretion.7.1 By making potentially offensive comments, you accept the liability that the recipients of said comments may perceive them to be hateful or discriminatory and thus entitle you to consequences.
7.2 Comments perceived to be hateful or discriminatory by LPF officers should be handled as rule violations and left for any further handling by the Consulate.
7.3 This rule does not exclusively apply to hateful or discriminatory content.
8. Private organizations within the LCN may define rules for their channels and categories in addition to those already provided by the server. These rules are inferior to server rules and may not contradict them, nor the rights of members of the server and the region.
9. Abuse of, or misconduct within State/Government related channels may result in restriction of access or similar consequences.
10. All applicable LCN laws must be followed by all members of this server.
11. Do not post sensitive information to the LCN in inappropriate channels.
12. Do not post any private/personal information of any individual without their consent on this server.
13. These rules can be edited as deemed necessary.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Roavin » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:13 am
Quebecshire wrote:7. If what you are posting could poorly reflect on our community and region (or any region or group you represent), or cause unintended consequences, reconsider if it’s helpful or necessary (basically, be mindful of your actions). This is up to Consular/LPF discretion.7.1 By making potentially offensive comments, you accept the liability that the recipients of said comments may perceive them to be hateful or discriminatory and thus entitle you to consequences.
7.2 Comments perceived to be hateful or discriminatory by LPF officers should be handled as rule violations and left for any further handling by the Consulate.
7.3 This rule does not exclusively apply to hateful or discriminatory content.
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