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by Rusozak » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:02 pm
by Shrillland » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:29 pm
Rusozak wrote:Well Columbus day has already kind of been supplanted by "Indigenous Peoples Day" so not sure. Are natives attached at all to the day or is it just a thing colonial descendants wanting to feel guilty care about?
by Gig em Aggies » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:35 pm
by Shrillland » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:38 pm
Gig em Aggies wrote:The problem with this is that one class wants something without thinking of the other classes like instead of replacing Columbus Day with Juneteenth why not let another holiday like from Native Americans, Hispanics, or even Asians take that spot I mean if racism is to be eradicated everyone needs to be equal so it's only fair. I mean there is Black History month and a national museum of African American history on the national mall why not let other minority groups have this one.
by Gig em Aggies » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:48 pm
Shrillland wrote:Gig em Aggies wrote:The problem with this is that one class wants something without thinking of the other classes like instead of replacing Columbus Day with Juneteenth why not let another holiday like from Native Americans, Hispanics, or even Asians take that spot I mean if racism is to be eradicated everyone needs to be equal so it's only fair. I mean there is Black History month and a national museum of African American history on the national mall why not let other minority groups have this one.
Because Black History Month is is the shortest, most miserable month of the year, and a lot of people only equate as synonymous with February, not with any actual Black history. By making Juneteenth a national holiday, the US government is saying that, at least at face value, it recognises how important this moment is to the largest minority group in the country, the day that slavery(at least in its classic chattel form) was kicked to death once and for all, and a second independence day was born.
by Shrillland » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:54 pm
Gig em Aggies wrote:Shrillland wrote:
Because Black History Month is is the shortest, most miserable month of the year, and a lot of people only equate as synonymous with February, not with any actual Black history. By making Juneteenth a national holiday, the US government is saying that, at least at face value, it recognises how important this moment is to the largest minority group in the country, the day that slavery(at least in its classic chattel form) was kicked to death once and for all, and a second independence day was born.
in actuality Juneteenth is really a state holiday in Texas as news of emancipation didn't reach Texas till June it holds significance in Texas but not the nation if a national holiday is to be made then why not MLK Jr Day and why does it have to replace Columbus Day there are plenty of days not taken out there.
by Gig em Aggies » Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:59 pm
but the point is that Columbus day doesn't have to be replaced why trade one people groups holiday for another's? when you can just make Juneteenth its own on its day why get rid of everything that's doesn't jive with social justice when you can use that day to teach what actually happened instead of erasing it like it never happened which is the way things are going if people don't wake up .Shrillland wrote:Gig em Aggies wrote:in actuality Juneteenth is really a state holiday in Texas as news of emancipation didn't reach Texas till June it holds significance in Texas but not the nation if a national holiday is to be made then why not MLK Jr Day and why does it have to replace Columbus Day there are plenty of days not taken out there.
MLK Day is a national holiday, actually. Juneteenth is indeed, the commemoration of the day that the last slaves were freed in Texas in 1865, and it actually does hold significance nationwide among the Black community. This is just the first year a lot of non-Black people have paid attention to it because of the unrest and social changes being made. As for why it has to replace Columbus Day, it would ideally do so only temporarily before we make Indigenous Peoples Day a holiday on the same Monday in October.
by Vetalia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:20 pm
by Atheris » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:32 pm
Vetalia wrote:I think January 31st or December 6th, based on the dates of the passage/ratification of the 13th amendment would be more appropriate since Juneteenth is really only relevant to the state of Texas. Or September 22nd, to commemorate the Emancipation Proclamation. In any case, though, another federal holiday should be removed to compensate...doesn't really seem necessary to give government employees another day off with how generous their holidays are already compared to the private sector.
by Rojava Free State » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:54 pm
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by Vetalia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:10 pm
Atheris wrote:December 6 fits more for the 13th Amendment, since that's the day it was put into effect. I would say July 2, for the Civil Rights Act, but that's too close to Independence Day.
by Atheris » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:11 pm
Vetalia wrote:Atheris wrote:December 6 fits more for the 13th Amendment, since that's the day it was put into effect. I would say July 2, for the Civil Rights Act, but that's too close to Independence Day.
I personally prefer September 22nd for the Emancipation Proclamation as that was really the starting point for the end of slavery in the United States as well as the turning point that prevented significant foreign intervention on behalf of the Confederacy.
by Vetalia » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:12 pm
Atheris wrote:I'm not saying which one I prefer (although it's September 22nd for the Emancipation Proclamation), just that December 6 would be a better date for the 13th Amendment.
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by Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:54 am
by Farnhamia » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:07 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Screw them, why do we have to lose a day off?
Make juneteenth a holiday and keep Columbus day.
by Atheris » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:08 am
Farnhamia wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Screw them, why do we have to lose a day off?
Make juneteenth a holiday and keep Columbus day.
Too many days off and the next thing you know, we'll turn into France, you socialist cat, you.
October 12 is Hugh Jackman's birthday. And Joe Cronin's, too, and Tony Kubek's. And Dick Gregory.
by Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 04, 2020 9:41 am
Farnhamia wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:Screw them, why do we have to lose a day off?
Make juneteenth a holiday and keep Columbus day.
Too many days off and the next thing you know, we'll turn into France, you socialist cat, you.
October 12 is Hugh Jackman's birthday. And Joe Cronin's, too, and Tony Kubek's. And Dick Gregory.
by Greed and Death » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:18 am
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