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by Serbersia » Sun May 03, 2020 8:06 am
Potted Plants United wrote:"Given you have not paid much attention outside of here or the multiverse in general, it's understandable you would fail to understand what I mean by "uplift". I am not talking of upgrading their rights to any given category, I am talking of uplifting the species from non-sapiency to full sapiency. Whether that requires genetic changes or simply intensive education from birth for more than one generation, depends on the species and how far down the evolutionary ladder it is. Your current proposal would ban treating them in this manner, even though you would be advancing the species through the evolutionary ladder to where they would become a people instead of just smart animals. Why do you wish to forbid this?"
Slightly startled, the Ambassador Spiridon looks curiously at the tea. "Whatever do you mean?""No thank you. And you might want to avoid drinking tea around here. It can have certain unintended effects on lifeforms such as yourself."
by Giant Bats » Wed May 06, 2020 3:40 am
by Serbersia » Wed May 06, 2020 10:08 pm
Giant Bats wrote:Ikiti Tikilikrr, member of a species that might have reminded people of various other creatures, such as bats, porcupine, birds of prey and great white sharks, entered the chamber via the window, which the aerial carnivores used instead of the confining corridors, to move between places they wanted to go, and glided over the heads of the few ambassadors present, her six metre wingspan enabling her to command the airspace before landing on the perch behind the desk. She listened to the translator AI as it explained to her the topic and then spoke, without needing to open her jaws, as her mouth was for eating, not speaking. Not that the humanoid likely could have heard the frequencies either, but that was what the translating AI and the minute speakers on her cybernetic implants were for.
"I am a tenth generation sapient," she started, "and my species is still mid-uplift. Every new generation is more likely to solve their issues with words rather than their teeth and claws. Having to deal with Tikrr from other Roosts - you could call it a tribe or extended family - is difficult even for me, it makes me physically uncomfortable. But my children will likely be able to cooperate with others without a problem. The ones we call Liftgivers - you might translate that as aunts or big sisters who babysit and help raise children - selected my ancestors for this, because our world is dying, has been dying for millions of years. If left alone, they would have eventually died with the world, starving, suffering. Now, instead, we are able to travel to the stars to find other worlds to live on, to learn to deal with other living things as something else but potential food. You would have condemned us to suffer and die instead. Why? What gives you the right, given you are neither uplifted or uplifter?"
As she spoke, the spines on her back rose from their relaxed flat position to what was likely somewhat universal sign of annoyance. Only those intimately familiar with Tikrr, however, would have known that the spines worked as a forewarning for getting bitten. The Tikrr still considered biting an acceptable manner of communication when one ran out of patience and words.
- Ikiti Tikilikrr, the Head of Diplomatic Wing of the Tikrr, 10th generation mother of four
by Araraukar » Thu May 07, 2020 8:38 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Serbersia » Fri May 08, 2020 2:16 pm
Araraukar wrote:OOC: I'll need some time to think of a response that doesn't involve Ikiti snatching your ambassador and flying with them outside, to try kill and eat them outside the Weapons Nullifiers' effect. Do note that the uplifters you're calling immoral wouldn't actually let her do that, for moral reasons, but basically, I'll need to think of a way to get her to use words instead of teeth...
by Araraukar » Fri May 08, 2020 5:51 pm
Serbersia wrote:OOC: Do I let my dog maul my neighbors? No. I can still treat my dog immorally and not want it to misbehave for the sake of others. Before you attack me, it's an analogy. Of course, I don't abuse my dog.
Furthermore, I don't entirely see what the ambassador might find offensive?
If her species wasn't abused
and dramatically altered against their will
(which in itself creates an entirely new species that can't reasonably be called what the previous one was)
then that moral uplift is entirely within the limits of the resolution.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Ignis Cinere » Fri May 08, 2020 9:25 pm
by Serbersia » Sun May 10, 2020 8:16 am
Ignis Cinere wrote:The recently sworn-in ambassador of Ignis Cinere steps in. "I am unsure of the fact whether this issue has already been addressed, as I have only recently come, but what about their medical research rights? Sapient beings sometimes perform experiments on other beings, whether sapient, semi-sapient, or non-sapient. Sapient beings are often able to determine of their own free will to participate or not in medical studies in which they expose themselves to risks, and non-sapient beings are experimented upon anyway, due to their lack of comprehension concerning their situation and surroundings, but what about semi-sapient beings? Are they then, in-between? This will pose some ethical issues, then, as they may or may not understand what is going on." She retreats back to whatever invisible corner she came from.
by Kenmoria » Sun May 10, 2020 8:21 am
by Serbersia » Sun May 10, 2020 8:34 am
Kenmoria wrote:“Clause 2 worries me slightly, because of the ‘in all capacities’. It appears to suggest that member nations must bar all killings of semi-sapient beings, even in the cases of self-defence or other justified instances.”
by Kenmoria » Sun May 10, 2020 8:39 am
Serbersia wrote:Kenmoria wrote:“Clause 2 worries me slightly, because of the ‘in all capacities’. It appears to suggest that member nations must bar all killings of semi-sapient beings, even in the cases of self-defence or other justified instances.”
"Ambassador, I understand your concern and implore you to take a look at Clause 9, in which it provides an exception for that particular situation (9.ii)."
by Serbersia » Fri May 15, 2020 6:15 am
by Serbersia » Sat May 16, 2020 10:03 pm
by Araraukar » Sun May 17, 2020 7:52 pm
Serbersia wrote:Defines, for the purpose of this resolution, a "Semi-Sapient" as a species, animal or not, which exhibits the characteristics of being intelligent such as basic language, basic metacognition, and cultural practices while not being able to fully meet the following criteria of possessing the ability to:
- Think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic;
- Choose a sensible course of action or considered response;
- Experience subjectively, feel, or recognize, discern, envision, understand, or attain awareness of.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
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