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by Abarri » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:29 am
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by Samadhi » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:36 am
Geneviev wrote:Some opinions, including certain religious groups, ethnonationalism, and similar views, are often considered hurtful or dangerous to certain people or society as a whole. People who hold these views can be ostracized from society because their views are considered undesirable.
When people who held extreme opinions change their minds, they may feel as if those ideas were a moral flaw they must atone for by apologizing to the people who may have been affected by their views. However, some people might believe that these apologies do not make up for harm that was potentially caused by these extreme beliefs.
So what do you think, NSG? Would you accept an apology from someone who held extreme beliefs? Should they apologize at all?
Personally, I would support apologizing for ideas that were harmful to people. Although an apology would not undo the damage, it can be the beginning of someone trying to change themselves and should be encouraged. This encouragement would include accepting the apology, even if it is difficult.
by Alvecia » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:38 am
Samadhi wrote:Geneviev wrote:Some opinions, including certain religious groups, ethnonationalism, and similar views, are often considered hurtful or dangerous to certain people or society as a whole. People who hold these views can be ostracized from society because their views are considered undesirable.
When people who held extreme opinions change their minds, they may feel as if those ideas were a moral flaw they must atone for by apologizing to the people who may have been affected by their views. However, some people might believe that these apologies do not make up for harm that was potentially caused by these extreme beliefs.
So what do you think, NSG? Would you accept an apology from someone who held extreme beliefs? Should they apologize at all?
Personally, I would support apologizing for ideas that were harmful to people. Although an apology would not undo the damage, it can be the beginning of someone trying to change themselves and should be encouraged. This encouragement would include accepting the apology, even if it is difficult.
Opinions aren't harmful, actions are.
They may be distasteful, but there's no actual harm in them.
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by Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:43 am
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
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by Samadhi » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:06 am
by Alvecia » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:08 am
Samadhi wrote:Alvecia wrote:You said there is no harm in opinions.
I countered by positing that the direct causal link between opinions and harmful actions makes the opinions harmful by association.
This is a discussion forum, we are discussing.
Nothing is ever that tidy, to be directly causal enough to consider a thought harmful.
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by Satuga » Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:47 am
Arkhane wrote:I prefer a genuine opinion that antagonizes me than a fake/insincere apology just to comfort me.
While people who are genuinely sorry about what they said do exist. Most "apologies" today are from coercion, force, manipulation and many other societal/peer pressures and restrictions.
by Rojava Free State » Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:16 am
Arkhane wrote:I prefer a genuine opinion that antagonizes me than a fake/insincere apology just to comfort me.
While people who are genuinely sorry about what they said do exist. Most "apologies" today are from coercion, force, manipulation and many other societal/peer pressures and restrictions.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
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