Gormwood wrote:Looks like China just got a huge Fuck Off.
In Blow to Beijing, Taiwan Re-elects Tsai Ing-wen as President
Cue diatribes from CCP sympathizers.
IM's arrived already. You are a bit late. <.>
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by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:30 am
Gormwood wrote:Looks like China just got a huge Fuck Off.
In Blow to Beijing, Taiwan Re-elects Tsai Ing-wen as President
Cue diatribes from CCP sympathizers.
by Catburg » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:33 am
Novus America wrote:Meet the true co-presidents of China.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_Think_and_Ah_Tsai
by Glorious Hong Kong » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:59 am
Novus America wrote:Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Last time I was in China, and I don't intend to visit China again until the CCP is overthrown, the streets were filthy, people talked loudly and even the young people in Shanghai casually spit on the street, and people forced their way onto train carriages despite the totalitarian state apparatus. The country is a totalitarian, Dickensian dystopia where the rich fuck the poor with complete and total impunity and anyone who challenges the status quo is summarily dealt with like the clearly defective automaton that must be destroyed to purify the assembly line. Taiwan, by contrast, is much cleaner and far more developed and orderly despite the much higher degree of civil rights and political freedoms.
Even the UK where I studied feels much cleaner and more orderly compared to China, and Britain is an archetypal parliamentary democracy.
That is the irony. The most totalitarian regimes are not actually the most clean and orderly.
And Xi’s Dickensian dystopia as you so eloquently put it certainly does not fit the bill.
I have never been to the mainland PRC (and never will go there) but my family who have been say the same thing. That Japan for example is far more clean and ordered. But Japan is a parliamentary democracy as well.
by Catburg » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:02 am
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Novus America wrote:
That is the irony. The most totalitarian regimes are not actually the most clean and orderly.
And Xi’s Dickensian dystopia as you so eloquently put it certainly does not fit the bill.
I have never been to the mainland PRC (and never will go there) but my family who have been say the same thing. That Japan for example is far more clean and ordered. But Japan is a parliamentary democracy as well.
Japan has been by far the most advanced and orderly country I've ever had the fortune of visiting, TWICE, and I have to say I'm impressed. If Japan's population was the same as China's, its GDP would be 3 1/2 times larger than China's. Japan, Taiwan and South Korea are simply culturally, politically and economically superior to China in every way, shape and form. And way more clean and orderly too. Even Hong Kong and Singapore are not as repressive as China and they're doing pretty well. But expect pro-CCP shills to only ever compare China to India or Malaysia.
by Glorious Hong Kong » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:05 am
Gormwood wrote:Looks like China just got a huge Fuck Off.
In Blow to Beijing, Taiwan Re-elects Tsai Ing-wen as President
Cue diatribes from CCP sympathizers.
by Pilipinas and Malaya » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:12 am
Gormwood wrote:Looks like China just got a huge Fuck Off.
In Blow to Beijing, Taiwan Re-elects Tsai Ing-wen as President
Cue diatribes from CCP sympathizers.
by Nouveau Yathrib » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:49 am
Bombadil wrote:It's telling that the only people able to freely vote, as indicative of HK and Taiwan elections, freely vote against CCP rule.. both by near 60%.
Although it's perhaps disturbing that 35-40% vote for.
I also note how quickly celebrities, companies and other vocally express their concern for Australia fires, which is absolutely fine, but what isn't fine is their silence on China atrocities.
by Greater Persian State » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:39 pm
by Greater Persian State » Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:40 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:I much prefer uniforms, soldiers, clear lines of authority, order.
This is an ideological preference.
by Bombadil » Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:56 pm
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:05 pm
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Congratulations to Tsai Ing-wen on her landslide victory. China failed to successfully rig the 2020 election through their fake news and CCP-affiliated network of Triads. In fact, Tsai Ing-wen actually won more votes than any other presidential candidate since democratization and the end of martial law. The Taiwanese people can now lead by example and show the Chinese people that democracy can work in China too. We also have the people of Hong Kong to show them that "One Country, Two Systems" doesn't fucking work.Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:We all are rooting for Tsai, left and right. This goes to show just how the people rightfully despise the totalitarian oligarchy that is the CCP. We shouldn't get too complacent though, as the Beijing regime will do everything in its power to try to rig the election for Han and his cronies.
I consider the CCP to be a far-right neo-Nazi fascist regime that has abandoned its original far-left communist roots, so it makes sense for (most) leftists to unite with rightist conservatives to oppose the current regime. For all of my criticisms of left-wing politics in recent years and for all of our oftentimes heated disagreements, this is one thing I must give leftists credit for. I won't stop criticizing the Left in America and Europe (through my main nation New Bremerton), but it's also a fact that the Taiwanese pro-independence DPP that Tsai is a part of is considered liberal and left-wing in contrast to the traditionally right-wing conservative (and formerly far-right authoritarian fascist) KMT that desires unification with the far-right fascist CCP. While I have my criticisms of small-c communism and Marxism as an ideology, the Commies I'm giving the finger to are of the right-wing big-C variety.
As someone who was born and raised in Hong Kong and has borne witness to its steady degeneration into just another "Chinese" city over the years, I'd like to personally thank you and other leftists and self-identified liberals on this site and elsewhere who have spoken out in support of the people of Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and liberal pro-democracy activists in China itself. I really appreciate that. We need all the support we can get to resist Chinese Communist influence in this part of the world, however small.
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:09 pm
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Novus America wrote:
That is the irony. The most totalitarian regimes are not actually the most clean and orderly.
And Xi’s Dickensian dystopia as you so eloquently put it certainly does not fit the bill.
I have never been to the mainland PRC (and never will go there) but my family who have been say the same thing. That Japan for example is far more clean and ordered. But Japan is a parliamentary democracy as well.
Japan has been by far the most advanced and orderly country I've ever had the fortune of visiting, TWICE, and I have to say I'm impressed. If Japan's population was the same as China's, its GDP would be 3 1/2 times larger than China's. Japan, Taiwan and South Korea are simply culturally, politically and economically superior to China in every way, shape and form. And way more clean and orderly too. Even Hong Kong and Singapore are not as repressive as China and they're doing pretty well. But expect pro-CCP shills to only ever compare China to India or Malaysia.
by Catburg » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:10 pm
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Congratulations to Tsai Ing-wen on her landslide victory. China failed to successfully rig the 2020 election through their fake news and CCP-affiliated network of Triads. In fact, Tsai Ing-wen actually won more votes than any other presidential candidate since democratization and the end of martial law. The Taiwanese people can now lead by example and show the Chinese people that democracy can work in China too. We also have the people of Hong Kong to show them that "One Country, Two Systems" doesn't fucking work.
I consider the CCP to be a far-right neo-Nazi fascist regime that has abandoned its original far-left communist roots, so it makes sense for (most) leftists to unite with rightist conservatives to oppose the current regime. For all of my criticisms of left-wing politics in recent years and for all of our oftentimes heated disagreements, this is one thing I must give leftists credit for. I won't stop criticizing the Left in America and Europe (through my main nation New Bremerton), but it's also a fact that the Taiwanese pro-independence DPP that Tsai is a part of is considered liberal and left-wing in contrast to the traditionally right-wing conservative (and formerly far-right authoritarian fascist) KMT that desires unification with the far-right fascist CCP. While I have my criticisms of small-c communism and Marxism as an ideology, the Commies I'm giving the finger to are of the right-wing big-C variety.
As someone who was born and raised in Hong Kong and has borne witness to its steady degeneration into just another "Chinese" city over the years, I'd like to personally thank you and other leftists and self-identified liberals on this site and elsewhere who have spoken out in support of the people of Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang and liberal pro-democracy activists in China itself. I really appreciate that. We need all the support we can get to resist Chinese Communist influence in this part of the world, however small.
Of course I stand with the pro-democracy movement in HK, mainland China, Xinjiang, and Tibet. There is absolutely nothing that is even remotely redeemable about the regime that has all but abandoned any pretense of socialism just to grab as much power and cash as possible. I hope that Taiwan's successful resistance against Beijing's subversion will inspire you all to keep pressing on in Hong Kong and elsewhere, even if you are at your darkest hour, because this is a battle for the very heart and soul of your people, and a turning point is coming in this year's elections to the LegCo. Nolite te bastardes carborundorum! Stay determined!
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:11 pm
Catburg wrote:Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
Of course I stand with the pro-democracy movement in HK, mainland China, Xinjiang, and Tibet. There is absolutely nothing that is even remotely redeemable about the regime that has all but abandoned any pretense of socialism just to grab as much power and cash as possible. I hope that Taiwan's successful resistance against Beijing's subversion will inspire you all to keep pressing on in Hong Kong and elsewhere, even if you are at your darkest hour, because this is a battle for the very heart and soul of your people, and a turning point is coming in this year's elections to the LegCo. Nolite te bastardes carborundorum! Stay determined!
Yep. No matter how people disagree on other topics we have to agree that Sinostatism sucks.
by Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:17 pm
Bombadil wrote:DPP maintained a majority in the Legislature as well.
Best of all is questions in China, who are generally told the people of Taiwan love China and yearn for reunification. Comments, soon blocked, expressed surprise at the results and question why they're always led to expect the pro-Beijing camp to win and then see overwhelming votes against.
The more people question the better.
by Shrillland » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:21 pm
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:Bombadil wrote:DPP maintained a majority in the Legislature as well.
Best of all is questions in China, who are generally told the people of Taiwan love China and yearn for reunification. Comments, soon blocked, expressed surprise at the results and question why they're always led to expect the pro-Beijing camp to win and then see overwhelming votes against.
The more people question the better.
I honestly didn't expect the DPP to maintain a decent majority in the Legislative Yuan, especially since they have recently suffered a big loss in the local elections in November 2018, but that was before the HK protests even kicked off. Looks like I got a pleasant surprise this election.
by Genivaria » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:28 pm
Catburg wrote:Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
Of course I stand with the pro-democracy movement in HK, mainland China, Xinjiang, and Tibet. There is absolutely nothing that is even remotely redeemable about the regime that has all but abandoned any pretense of socialism just to grab as much power and cash as possible. I hope that Taiwan's successful resistance against Beijing's subversion will inspire you all to keep pressing on in Hong Kong and elsewhere, even if you are at your darkest hour, because this is a battle for the very heart and soul of your people, and a turning point is coming in this year's elections to the LegCo. Nolite te bastardes carborundorum! Stay determined!
Yep. No matter how people disagree on other topics we have to agree that Sinostatism sucks.
by Kowani » Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:23 am
Gormwood wrote:Looks like China just got a huge Fuck Off.
In Blow to Beijing, Taiwan Re-elects Tsai Ing-wen as President
Cue diatribes from CCP sympathizers.
by Gormwood » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:31 pm
by Outer Sparta » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:41 pm
Pilipinas and Malaya wrote:Gormwood wrote:Looks like China just got a huge Fuck Off.
In Blow to Beijing, Taiwan Re-elects Tsai Ing-wen as President
Cue diatribes from CCP sympathizers.
You’re late to the party, Gauth. IM’s already here praising authority and order and China over messy democracy and Taiwan apparently.
by Outer Sparta » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:53 pm
Rethania wrote:How come KMT is pro-Beijing? I thought they opposed the CCP (considering they fought a civil war with them)?
by Bombadil » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:56 pm
Rethania wrote:How come KMT is pro-Beijing? I thought they opposed the CCP (considering they fought a civil war with them)?
by Munkcestrian Republic » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:19 pm
by Pilipinas and Malaya » Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:47 pm
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:ew, the Evangelion cosplayer won her seat. Standing against the NPP (the party that held the seat) candidate and almost losing to the KMT one.
Hope she loses next time, then.
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