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by Antityranicals » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:17 pm
by The Anarchical World Order » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:19 pm
by Estanglia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:20 pm
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by Antityranicals » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:21 pm
Estanglia wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
Murder is legal in much of Somalia but it's still murder
If you define murder as "the unlawful killing of a person", then it isn't murder.Antityranicals wrote:You. Know. What. I. Mean.
Sure we do, but it would help us (and help all those who don't know what you mean) if you'd use terms correctly.
by Estanglia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:28 pm
Antityranicals wrote:Estanglia wrote:
If you define murder as "the unlawful killing of a person", then it isn't murder.
Sure we do, but it would help us (and help all those who don't know what you mean) if you'd use terms correctly.
I disagree with your silly definition. As long as you understand fully what I mean by the word, it is acceptable.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:30 pm
Estanglia wrote:Antityranicals wrote:I disagree with your silly definition. As long as you understand fully what I mean by the word, it is acceptable.
If you enjoy having to explain what you mean to every person who has zero clue what you actually mean because you've used a word in an incorrect way (or, at the very least, a way that runs counter to the way it is used by a lot of other people) and having people correct you every time you misuse a word (like now), I guess it is.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:31 pm
by New Paine » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:36 pm
by Kowani » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:36 pm
by Nuroblav » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:39 pm
The crime of intentionally killing a person
Illegal activities
by Kowani » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:40 pm
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:41 pm
Antityranicals wrote:Estanglia wrote:
If you define murder as "the unlawful killing of a person", then it isn't murder.
Sure we do, but it would help us (and help all those who don't know what you mean) if you'd use terms correctly.
I disagree with your silly definition. As long as you understand fully what I mean by the word, it is acceptable.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Estanglia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:43 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Estanglia wrote:
If you enjoy having to explain what you mean to every person who has zero clue what you actually mean because you've used a word in an incorrect way (or, at the very least, a way that runs counter to the way it is used by a lot of other people) and having people correct you every time you misuse a word (like now), I guess it is.
Almost no one uses murder to refer exclusively to illegal killing, but rather to morally wrong killing.
The "correcting" is the most snobbish thing, because you all know what was meant.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by Page » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:44 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:45 pm
Estanglia wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Almost no one uses murder to refer exclusively to illegal killing, but rather to morally wrong killing.
The "correcting" is the most snobbish thing, because you all know what was meant.
I'm sorry if every dictionary I can find is pointing out that the use of murder in this situation is incorrect, because words have meanings and the purpose of dictionaries is to tell us those meanings.
And if that isn't the purpose of a dictionary, then what's the point of one? A doorstop? Something to fill shelves with? I'm not saying that
we have to forever obey dictionaries and they can never change, but if every dictionary I can find is telling me that the meaning of murder and the way Antityranicals is using the word murder aren't the same, I'm going to err on the side of the dictionaries.
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:47 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Estanglia wrote:
I'm sorry if every dictionary I can find is pointing out that the use of murder in this situation is incorrect, because words have meanings and the purpose of dictionaries is to tell us those meanings.
And if that isn't the purpose of a dictionary, then what's the point of one? A doorstop? Something to fill shelves with? I'm not saying that
we have to forever obey dictionaries and they can never change, but if every dictionary I can find is telling me that the meaning of murder and the way Antityranicals is using the word murder aren't the same, I'm going to err on the side of the dictionaries.
Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by New Paine » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:49 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Estanglia wrote:
I'm sorry if every dictionary I can find is pointing out that the use of murder in this situation is incorrect, because words have meanings and the purpose of dictionaries is to tell us those meanings.
And if that isn't the purpose of a dictionary, then what's the point of one? A doorstop? Something to fill shelves with? I'm not saying that
we have to forever obey dictionaries and they can never change, but if every dictionary I can find is telling me that the meaning of murder and the way Antityranicals is using the word murder aren't the same, I'm going to err on the side of the dictionaries.
Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism.
by Vetalia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:50 pm
New Paine wrote:To deny great benefits that stem cell research provides to society is similar to denying the great benefits that vaccines provide to society. If one opposes to either one religious reasons, then don't receive them self therapy or vaccines then.
It is absolutely immoral and degenerate to deny people a prosperous and long life because one believes that an embryo has a soul. Stem cell research and vaccines such as Varicella (chickenpox), rubella (the “R” in the MMR vaccine), hepatitis A, and one preparation of rabies vaccine have prolonged life for humans in ways we haven’t seen before and have improve the quality of life beyond a reasonable doubt. The so-called pro-life position in this instance is not about prolonging life but about the idea that an embryo has a soul.
by Estanglia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:50 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Estanglia wrote:
I'm sorry if every dictionary I can find is pointing out that the use of murder in this situation is incorrect, because words have meanings and the purpose of dictionaries is to tell us those meanings.
And if that isn't the purpose of a dictionary, then what's the point of one? A doorstop? Something to fill shelves with? I'm not saying that
we have to forever obey dictionaries and they can never change, but if every dictionary I can find is telling me that the meaning of murder and the way Antityranicals is using the word murder aren't the same, I'm going to err on the side of the dictionaries.
Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
by LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:52 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:Pangurstan wrote:In my opinion, this has the same roots as the debate over abortion. If you think that an embryo has rights, then in addition to opposing abortion, you probably are anti-stem cell research. This question is essentially “are there christians who are pro-choice?”
There are Christians who are pro-choice. Not sure the proportion of Christians that are pro-life/pro-choice though.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.
by Salandriagado » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:52 pm
Pangurstan wrote:In my opinion, this has the same roots as the debate over abortion. If you think that an embryo has rights, then in addition to opposing abortion, you probably are anti-stem cell research. This question is essentially “are there christians who are pro-choice?”
by United Muscovite Nations » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:53 pm
Estanglia wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Dictionaries don't decide what words mean. Prescriptivism is the ultimate form of elitism.
Call it what you want, but I like my words to have meaning, and having everyone be able to suddenly declare that word x now has an entirely new meaning and force everyone else to treat that as valid defeats the purpose of having words in the first place.
by Salandriagado » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:53 pm
Antityranicals wrote:LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Not quite the same one. There's more support for embryonic stem cell research than for fetal tissue research. This suggests some opposition to abortion is motivated by other things... desire to force an increase in birthrate, envy at those getting laid, superficial "but fetuses LOOK like babies" reactions that don't apply to the zygotes used in ESCR, etc... take your pick, it's all equally arbitrary and unverifiable what IS motivating anti-abortion types, all this tells us is what ISN'T motivating them, and what ISN'T motivating them is the "life begins at conception" platitude.
Thank goodness. "Life begins at conception" was especially absurd and was missing the point of the common use of the word "life" and the reason people are so indignant at actual murders. But that still leaves behind the question of why anti-abortion types PRETEND to agree with the "life begins at conception" platitude in the first place.
Wait a minute, so you're willing to buy that life doesn't begin at conception? That's just stupid. You could try to make the argument that while life begins at conception, it just doesn't matter until a certain point, but believing that life doesn't begin at conception is about as nonsensical as believing the earth is flat.
by The JELLEAIN Republic » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:54 pm
by Estanglia » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:56 pm
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
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