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by Munkcestrian Republic » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:24 am
by Solanos » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:24 am
Munkcestrian Republic wrote:VoVoDoCo wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Person_of_the_Year
Just Google it. It doesn’t have to go to a single person. US scientistJust Google it. It doesn’t have to go to a single person. US scientist, plural, one one times, plural, won one time.
love how it went The Silence Breakers to The Guardians
they should've gone with the protesters just to have three years of groups tbh
by Salandriagado » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:25 am
Chokoku wrote:Ifreann wrote:Where do you think regulations come from? The people who go to listen to speeches at the UN write them. Thunberg yelling at world leaders to get their shit together is far more likely to make a difference than what mode of transport she uses.
Oh lol do you really think screaming at the UN would change the politicians? Oh genius so politicians now do that?
No! They put out these policies so they could appeal to voters. Remember politicians work for votes, not for actual ‘kind-hearted-ness’. Politics isn’t this fancy place where you could ‘change the world’, they only put these policies out cuz the GENERAL populace pushes them to. It’s sad, but it’s true. Screaming in UN does nothing other than adding fake to Greta herself.
by Salandriagado » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:26 am
by Salandriagado » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:26 am
Chokoku wrote:Hong Kong People wrote:I am fine with HKers not being selected as person of the year but I don't think Greta Thunberg deserves that title.
Exactly. I could understand why Hong Kongers don’t win. We got other great people, Pete Buttigueg, the Ethiopian prime minister. BUT NOT GRETA FREAKING THUNBERG
by Asle Leopolka » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:27 am
by Munkcestrian Republic » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:27 am
by Solanos » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:28 am
by Costa Hermosa » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:28 am
Salandriagado wrote:So first off, you've entirely and completely missed the point of the Person of the Year award. It's for people who've had a large impact, which she undeniably has.Chokoku wrote:Don’t get me wrong, I’m an environmentalist. You really need to care about the environment, but definitely not by being a drama queen.
Greta Thunburg is a drama queen. Her parents are actors, and she planned everything out.
Lie.She condemned Sweden, the greenest countries in the world that aims to reach carbon neutral soon, for not doing enough
An aim which they committed to after she called them out.but is somehow completely fine with China polluting.
No, she isn't. She's not suing them for precisely the same reason that she isn't suing the US: they're not a party to the treaty that allows such lawsuits.Why don’t you go cry at Tiananmen? You scared?
What a hypocritical drama queen. Pretends to be a brace hero against governments, but a coward inside. Sure let’s see what she could make up to explain that. ‘How dare you’
I'm not going to dignify that disgusting shit with a response.She did nothing, I repeat, nothing, to help the environment. She is trying to draw attention and build a hero style thing for herself, how pathetic is that.
You are absolutely wrong. Literally no government was considering getting to net zero emissions at all before her campaign started. Now, major world governments are committing to actual timelines for it.Remember how she went hyper-cool mode by going to New York on a boat, heck look at all the people who served her on the trip. Of course they called themselves fellow environmentalists even though they’re just servants. Somehow having servants to serve her is fine but taking a plane isn’t, cool now we got publicity stunts from her.
What the fuck is this bullshit?She deserves no awards, and definitely no congratulations. To save the environment we don’t need publicity queens like her, we need genuine people trying to take small steps to save the world.
Yeah, no. Individuals making small steps will never be sufficient. Being quiet has failed already and rather thoroughly fucked us over. Other than violent revolution, what else is left?Oh and look, an article from online:
Are you fecking kidding me
Look, I'm not mad that we (Hong Kongers) aren't the Person of the Year. I'm mad that Greta Thunberg is the winner.
She's a god damn hypocrite. She did a "zero carbon trip" across the Atlantic with small boat that generates energy for the voyage. But each time it goes to US and UK, two crewmembers will have to fly to the respective locations to retrieve it.
This is probably a lie, incidentally: delivery runs are generally done by teams of professionals who just pick up delivery runs in the other direction to get home.Which means four men will have to use the airplane, while if she just took the plane herself with his dad only two will have to ride the plane. Four people using the plane (and only the plane) produces 2,134,800 grams of C02. Look who's producing emissions?
And the reason that all of that is incidental is that you've entirely missed the fucking point. It's about publicity, and about putting pressure on governments.Oh, and the manufacturing of her Tesla Model 3 and her Europe train trip produces quite an amount of carbon, don't forget that 63.5% electricity is produced by fossil fuel.
You're using US generation figures for a trip in the EU.She probably has less carbon emissions than most people, that's undeniable, but she doesn't deserve so much attention for screaming at politicians.
That's an inevitable feature of having been born in the West. You're also ignoring secondary effects, with which she's massively in the negative.Indeed, she's bringing attention to climate issues, but not everything is solvable.
Either we solve it, or billions of people die.Imagine the socioeconomic consequences.
"It's expensive to avoid" is not a reason to let billions of people die.When she called on all countries to stop carbon emissions, did she realise how many developing countries have no way to feed their people except carbon emissions?
Another lie: between developed countries running carbon-negative and the fact that we produce far more food than we need, this is a thoroughly solvable problem.All I see her do is
a) Scream at lawmakers to guilt them
You mean "put pressure on the people who can actually do something about it".b) Skip planes, which is unavailable for people who have a job
What a fucking absurd statement.c)Strike from school, unavailable to kids who actually need to learn
You appear to have entirely missed the point of a strike.Is she a scientist who contributed to reducing emissions? No.
Is she some community leader? No.
Yes.She's too young and inexperienced she's born with a famous mother (opera singer) and is privileged, yet she screams "yOu rUINeD mY chILdHoOD"? HoW dArE sHE say that? hOW dArE sHE say that while millions of people are starving around the globe?
Not what she said at all.I'll credit her for her genuine beliefs on saving this planet, but instead of throwing speeches everywhere, how about actually do something? She does not deserve it.
What, exactly, could anybody possibly do that's more impactful than successfully pressuring governments into taking action?But, if the public wishes, she shall be the person of the year. Now that's true democracy.
Nope: the Time Person of the Year is not a democracy, and they're very clear about this.
Ohbtw, you know how she rode the train. I like trains too, it’s environmentally friendly. Oh but look at Greta Thunberg ruining it, first class, packaged plastic meals,
You're lying again.and plenty more carbon producing stuff. Oh and you see her jeans? Those waste plenty water, why don’t you condemn yourself then Ms. Attention Seeker?
Where the fuck did you get that from? What kind of clothing is available to people living in the developed world that's less impactful. Additionally, the water used in making jeans doesn't have to be drinking water quality, which means it's not in shortage in any way.
by Outer Sparta » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:29 am
by Munkcestrian Republic » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:30 am
by Munkcestrian Republic » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:31 am
by Oyste » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:31 am
by Munkcestrian Republic » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:32 am
by Outer Sparta » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:33 am
Nakena wrote:It's not really surprising that she became person of the year given the extreme hype pushed ad-infinitum by mainstream media of whom she is the most dearest darling.
by Aureumterra » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:34 am
by Salandriagado » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:34 am
Chokoku wrote:Ifreann wrote:Not the UN itself, the world leaders who attend speeches there.
Yelling at China probably wouldn't make any difference. China is a dictatorship, they're largely immune to public outrage. Democratic nations, not so much. Democratically elected leaders can, to varying degrees, be shamed and pressured into taking action on the environment.
Very true. Democratic countries, let’s use Switzerland as an example since they’re the most direct already, got their seven chancellors. When they want to push a regulation, you need public support. So Greta going to UN screaming while doing publicity stunts won’t do much really. She could’ve used that time and effort on going around putting up poster (preferably made from recycled paper) or going to the local council to attend a small meeting. Doing that at a few local councils would already do better than screaming
Antityranicals wrote:Merni wrote:The award doesn't necessarily mean what she did is good (they gave it to Putin and Mark Zuckerberg ffs), just that, in Wikipedia's words, "for better or for worse... [she] has done the most to influence the events of the year".
Which, again, is disputable, but at least does not endorse her actions.
But she's quite frankly insignificant. Another rich leftist teen whining for the world to hear isn't news.
Hong Kong People wrote:Ifreann wrote:Not the UN itself, the world leaders who attend speeches there.
Yelling at China probably wouldn't make any difference. China is a dictatorship, they're largely immune to public outrage. Democratic nations, not so much. Democratically elected leaders can, to varying degrees, be shamed and pressured into taking action on the environment.
But Democratic countries are ALREADY REDUCING their carbon emissions.On the other hand, it's totalitarian or developing countries like China that are increasing their emissions.So you are completely fine that democratic countries bear a greater responsibility than China when it comes to reducing carbon emission?If we don't tackle the problem of China , there is no way that climate change can be resolved. And I don't see how the current approach adopted by Greta helps solve the problem anyway.
by Munkcestrian Republic » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:34 am
Aureumterra wrote:Wait she won and not the HK protestors?
by Munkcestrian Republic » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:35 am
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