I might consider your renaming suggestion for the threads. Or should it be something like At the Shores of Miami?
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by Gravlen » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:57 pm
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Gravlen wrote:Hey, remember when the Republican party was the party holding veterans high and...Among Mr. Trump’s admissions in court papers: The charity gave his campaign complete control over disbursing the $2.8 million that the foundation had raised at a fund-raiser for veterans in Iowa in January 2016, only days before the state’s presidential nominating caucuses. The fund-raiser, he acknowledged, was in fact a campaign event.
Trump Ordered to Pay $2 Million to Charities for Misuse of Foundation
The president admitted he had used funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his campaign and pay business debts.
This is Trump formally admitting to illegally misdirecting charitable funds from an event he claimed was a benefit for veterans.
Surely this is on par with the disrespect Obama showed to the armed forces when he asked a marine to hold an umbrella for him?
Republicans and Democrats do it too, and it is wrong on both sides, true equivalence, not false equivalence even if the sum if much smaller:Source Politico:
Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000
President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned.
The fine — laid out in detail in FEC documents that have yet to be made public — arose from an audit of the campaign, which was published in April. POLITICO obtained a copy of the conciliation agreement detailing the fine, which was sent to Sean Cairncross, the chief lawyer for the Republican National Committee, one of the groups that filed complaints about the campaign’s FEC reporting from 2008.
Here is the Link to Poltico
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ ... 000-085784
I rest my case again.
by San Lumen » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:06 pm
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Gravlen wrote:Hey, remember when the Republican party was the party holding veterans high and...Among Mr. Trump’s admissions in court papers: The charity gave his campaign complete control over disbursing the $2.8 million that the foundation had raised at a fund-raiser for veterans in Iowa in January 2016, only days before the state’s presidential nominating caucuses. The fund-raiser, he acknowledged, was in fact a campaign event.
Trump Ordered to Pay $2 Million to Charities for Misuse of Foundation
The president admitted he had used funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his campaign and pay business debts.
This is Trump formally admitting to illegally misdirecting charitable funds from an event he claimed was a benefit for veterans.
Surely this is on par with the disrespect Obama showed to the armed forces when he asked a marine to hold an umbrella for him?
Republicans and Democrats do it too, and it is wrong on both sides, true equivalence, not false equivalence even if the sum if much smaller:Source Politico:
Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000
President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned.
The fine — laid out in detail in FEC documents that have yet to be made public — arose from an audit of the campaign, which was published in April. POLITICO obtained a copy of the conciliation agreement detailing the fine, which was sent to Sean Cairncross, the chief lawyer for the Republican National Committee, one of the groups that filed complaints about the campaign’s FEC reporting from 2008.
Here is the Link to Poltico
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ ... 000-085784
I rest my case again.
by Professor Irwin Corey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:09 pm
Gravlen wrote:Greater Miami Shores wrote:Republicans and Democrats do it too, and it is wrong on both sides, true equivalence, not false equivalence even if the sum if much smaller:Source Politico:
Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000
President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned.
The fine — laid out in detail in FEC documents that have yet to be made public — arose from an audit of the campaign, which was published in April. POLITICO obtained a copy of the conciliation agreement detailing the fine, which was sent to Sean Cairncross, the chief lawyer for the Republican National Committee, one of the groups that filed complaints about the campaign’s FEC reporting from 2008.
Here is the Link to Poltico
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ ... 000-085784
I rest my case again.
Wait, you really think being late (waiting more than 48 hour) reporting certain contributions, reporting erroneous contribution dates on some campaign reports, and being late returning some contributions that exceeded the legal limit, is the same as claiming to hold a fund-raiser for veterans which was in fact a campaign event?
You think negligence is equivalent to straight up fraud? And you don't give a shit about veterans being shafted?
I don't think you're supposed to say out loud that your moral compass is shattered.
by Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:13 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Greater Miami Shores wrote:Here is my post in full context:
No I am right. Republicans have their base, Democrats have their base. Republicans support Republicans. Democrats support Democrats. Their is no difference. Therefore no whataboutism, therefore true equivalence, no false equivalence as it has been used against me on this thread several times by certain nations, who disagree with me politically on President Trump and the Republicans. I rest my case again.
Republicans have their hard core base, Democrats have their hard core base, lets be honest about it, lets not deny it. I rest my case again.
viewtopic.php?p=36418132#p36418132
I read the whole context, I am still certain that you do not know what it means, hence me asking you what you think it means.
by Gravlen » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:13 pm
Professor Irwin Corey wrote:Gravlen wrote:Wait, you really think being late (waiting more than 48 hour) reporting certain contributions, reporting erroneous contribution dates on some campaign reports, and being late returning some contributions that exceeded the legal limit, is the same as claiming to hold a fund-raiser for veterans which was in fact a campaign event?
You think negligence is equivalent to straight up fraud? And you don't give a shit about veterans being shafted?
I don't think you're supposed to say out loud that your moral compass is shattered.
fait accompli
by Neutraligon » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:21 pm
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Neutraligon wrote:I read the whole context, I am still certain that you do not know what it means, hence me asking you what you think it means.
I am sorry but I think I made my point clear. This whole thing started because a certain nation I cant even remember the name of and I would have to check back the posts, claimed that I worship Trump and the Republicans. So I posted that Republicans support Republicans, and Democrats support democrats. they both have their hard core base of worshipers.
Making fun of my support for President Trump by a few nation just a few minutes ago, granted it is allowed and not actionable. Honestly I cant understand why you guys don't notice it. Any thing I post with comments, links and videos get dismissed as wrong , and anything they post they defend as right. Then if I defend my posts they make fun of my posts and statements, the evidence is very clear, reflected in their posts to me, granted it is allowed and not actionable.
If I try to do the same or similar in my defense of my posts and statements, they say I am wrong and they are right, then they make fun of my posts and comments to me and each other. I cant win one according to them. Granted they have not done anything actionable against me.
I give up. I surrender they are all correct and I wrong every time. I think that is what they want me to admit. Sorry for this rant this post has turned into. I cant argue anything without being wrong according to them. I give up.
Whataboutism:
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.Also called whataboutery.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=whatabout ... =0&PC=MSE1
False Equivalence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
"the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism"
Equivlance - I could not find a true equivalence definition.
1. The state or condition of being equivalent; equality. 2. Mathematics An equivalence relation. 3. Logic The relationship that holds for two propositions that are either both true or both false, so that the affirmation of one and the denial of the other results in contradiction.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivalence
I am finally correct on something on this thread, I am correct on this one.
I rest my case again.
by Professor Irwin Corey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:02 pm
by Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:04 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:I am sorry but I think I made my point clear. This whole thing started because a certain nation I cant even remember the name of and I would have to check back the posts, claimed that I worship Trump and the Republicans. So I posted that Republicans support Republicans, and Democrats support democrats. they both have their hard core base of worshipers.
Making fun of my support for President Trump by a few nation just a few minutes ago, granted it is allowed and not actionable. Honestly I cant understand why you guys don't notice it. Any thing I post with comments, links and videos get dismissed as wrong , and anything they post they defend as right. Then if I defend my posts they make fun of my posts and statements, the evidence is very clear, reflected in their posts to me, granted it is allowed and not actionable.
If I try to do the same or similar in my defense of my posts and statements, they say I am wrong and they are right, then they make fun of my posts and comments to me and each other. I cant win one according to them. Granted they have not done anything actionable against me.
I give up. I surrender they are all correct and I wrong every time. I think that is what they want me to admit. Sorry for this rant this post has turned into. I cant argue anything without being wrong according to them. I give up.
Whataboutism:
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.Also called whataboutery.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=whatabout ... =0&PC=MSE1
False Equivalence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
"the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism"
Equivlance - I could not find a true equivalence definition.
1. The state or condition of being equivalent; equality. 2. Mathematics An equivalence relation. 3. Logic The relationship that holds for two propositions that are either both true or both false, so that the affirmation of one and the denial of the other results in contradiction.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivalence
I am finally correct on something on this thread, I am correct on this one.
I rest my case again.
yeah you confirmed you really do not understand what whataboutism is, even after linking the definition.
I will give an example.
Sandra: Bob is such a hypocrite for complaining about pushy vegans while also being a pushy meat eater
Bill: Yeah but what about Jane pushing for everyone to eat vegan
You will note that Bill did not respond to Sandra's point about Bob and brought up the irrelevant Jane to distract from the issue of Bob.
In your case, Republicans where brought up as cherry picking something. You then essentially said, yeah but hat about Democrat cherry picking.
by Professor Irwin Corey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:15 pm
by Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:25 pm
by Nakena » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:31 pm
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Are you sure?
See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
by Greater Miami Shores » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:32 pm
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Are you sure?
See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
by Greater Miami Shores » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:41 pm
Nakena wrote:Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
Regional polls?
by Vassenor » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:49 pm
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Are you sure?
See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:06 pm
Vassenor wrote:Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.
by Telconi » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:09 pm
by Ghost Land » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:40 pm
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Are you sure?
See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
by Maineiacs » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:18 pm
by Greater Miami Shores » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:31 pm
Ghost Land wrote:Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
I'd say 4 and 5 kind of blend together, especially considering the impeachment inquiry was launched almost two months ago if my memory is correct and we're still having the same back-and-forth discussions about it. The process is taking and will continue to take much longer than I feel the initial proposing congresspeople had expected, simply because impeachment is no laughing matter, and at this point I would be surprised if a decision to convict or not to convict is even made before the 2020 election takes place, which is less than a year from now already.
For the record, Alberto, I too know what it's like to have unpopular opinions (I was the only conservative in my 11th-grade government class, for instance), and I sincerely do appreciate your standing up for yourself and for the right wing as a whole. Cheers to you man, from the Evil Republic and Number 600 Military Power of Ghost Land.
by Zurkerx » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:32 pm
by Gormwood » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:33 pm
Vassenor wrote:Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.
by Farnhamia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:35 pm
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Are you sure?
See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
by Greater Miami Shores » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:36 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:See what I mean? granted it is not actionable against them, I rest my case again.
I suggest the maga threads be named:
3 - Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearings NS World War 3
4 - Trump Impeachment Inquiry NS World War 4
5 - Trump Articles of Impeachment NS World War 5
6 - Trump Conviction or non Conviction NS World War 6
This is a very serious suggestion to Nakena and the Moderations I am suggesting.
No, but thanks for the suggestions.
by The Black Forrest » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:38 pm
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Farnhamia wrote:No, but thanks for the suggestions.
Thank you Farnhamia for reviewing my suggestions and making your decision.
Farnhamia I apologize to you the Moderator, I had accidentally posted with my Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba Nation by an honest mistake and accident. I switched back to Greater Miami Shores when I realized my honest mistake and error:
My Evidence and apology Post to the Moderators, I thought they would see on the thread, when I realized my honest error, it was an accident:To the Moderators sorry I posted from the wrong nation it was an accident since I spend time on all my nations and I switch back and forth between them. I will try to be careful in the future. I will now switch back to Greater Miami Shores.
But I am very serious about the Maga Thread names suggestions above to Nakena and the Moderators.
viewtopic.php?p=36418575#p36418575
Greater Miami Shores Alberto.
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