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by The united American-Isreali empire » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:09 pm
by Domina Nostra Nova Terra » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:11 pm
Iwassoclose wrote:Just like there is an age restriction for when people can vote there should also be an age restriction for when people have to stop voting.
These group of people are most actively chased after by politicians to the detriment of young people who are the main or future participants in the economy and future of a country.
Do you agree with this proposition?
by Audioslavia » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:20 pm
Chan Island wrote:Of course old people should be allowed to vote you authoritaian twat.
by Neu Leonstein » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:30 pm
Andsed wrote:(though not really in the case of non-citizens since it does not make much sense to allow those who are not citizens of a nation vote in it's election.).
by Neu Leonstein » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:37 pm
Iwassoclose wrote:
Do you agree with this proposition?
by Cekoviu » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:09 pm
Fahran wrote:Cekoviu wrote:A relevant quote from a great philosopher:
"You don't get to order for the table if you're about to leave the restaurant."
-- Pete Davidson
Except that metaphor isn't appropriate for a democratic government. The elderly have rendered service to the state and deserve representation just as much if not more so than people have rendered less service.
by Neu Leonstein » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:30 pm
Fahran wrote:Except that metaphor isn't appropriate for a democratic government. The elderly have rendered service to the state and deserve representation just as much if not more so than people have rendered less service.
by Cekoviu » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:34 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:Fahran wrote:Except that metaphor isn't appropriate for a democratic government. The elderly have rendered service to the state and deserve representation just as much if not more so than people have rendered less service.
I find it amusing that living somewhere now equates to "service to the state". I assume the same goes for undocumented immigrants who live somewhere for years? Or maybe it has to do with how much taxes people paid in their lifetimes? So Bill Gates deserves many thousands of times the representation that you or I do?
by Sovaal » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:05 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:Andsed wrote:(though not really in the case of non-citizens since it does not make much sense to allow those who are not citizens of a nation vote in it's election.).
Citizenship is just a paper thing. Like having a driver's licence or not. It doesn't tell you much about whether someone is part of a society or not. There are plenty of people who are long term residents in a country without being citizens. They have a plenty large enough stake in how much taxes they pay, whether the roads gets fixed, how their medical treatments are paid for and so on.
by Fahran » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:43 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:I find it amusing that living somewhere now equates to "service to the state". I assume the same goes for undocumented immigrants who live somewhere for years? Or maybe it has to do with how much taxes people paid in their lifetimes? So Bill Gates deserves many thousands of times the representation that you or I do?
by Katganistan » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:11 pm
Deacarsia wrote:If anyone should be able to vote, then the vote should at least be restricted to legal adults who are net taxpayers, or who pay more in taxes than they receive from the government in benefits or income.
This way the people who vote for measures are the ones who have to pay for them, while anyone with a personal interest would be barred from voting.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Xuloqoia wrote:Why not have a system of "one man, one vote"? There's one guy who votes, and everyone else must obey them or else.
by Katganistan » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:20 pm
Lat-Errier wrote:Kubra wrote: Oh yes, grand things, I'm sure the plundered are comforted knowing they will be reborn in his glory. But will William? Will Charlemagne?
How exactly do you *not* venerate these mean, in your celebration of their conquests? Perhaps you should instead find examples of more beautiful souls, such as the one called Christ?
An excellent example. Christ Himself is called king of kings, lord of lords and king of heaven. He makes many mentions of giving respect to the king, and that the monarch is the representative of God. He is the very reason why I am a monarchist.
Not only that, but democracies tend to be completely opposed to Christ.
Dogmeat wrote:Only people who are my current age should be allowed to vote.
The Blaatschapen wrote:Magnum Exitium wrote:No. This is ridiculous lol. Elderly people have significantly more life experience than the younger generation and will make far better decisions. This is crazier than "voters should be 16", because at least that one isn't completely dumb
Will old people make better decisions? Trump is old. Is he making good decisions?
Coffin-Breathe wrote:Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Anyone who pays taxes should be able to vote. The United States' main founding principle is that taxation should equal representation.
...which every real democracy has abandoned ages ago - except for the US, because (sorry, but I have to declare this) the US is not even rudimentary a "real democracy".
by Neu Leonstein » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:33 pm
Sovaal wrote:That's great and all and if it truly affects them that much they can seek citizenship.
by Neu Leonstein » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:37 pm
Fahran wrote:I would consider paying taxes and paying into mandatory social benefits to constitute service to the state in much the same manner as military service and signing up for the draft are forms of service.
We also have all these bundled into the concept of citizenship, a birthright in the United States. The elderly who are not felons, as a rule, have done more for society and the state than sixteen year olds or felons. They're adults who haven't run afoul of the law.
by Fahran » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:24 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:So why is it a binary 'yes/no', but doesn't scale with the size of the payments one has made?
Neu Leonstein wrote:That is clearly not true. Citizenship is not linked to paying taxes.. some citizens do not pay, and many non-citizens do. Nor do children or felons lack citizenship. Whatever citizenship is, it clearly is not a bundle of material contributions.
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by Cekoviu » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:02 pm
Torisakia wrote:No but I do believe that the voting age should be raised significantly. What does an 18 year old actually know about politics other than being told what ideology to follow based on what's cool at the time? Exactly nothing.
by Totenborg » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:59 pm
Katganistan wrote:Totenborg wrote:Agreed.
They've historically used IQ and literacy tests for voter suppression. So no.Deacarsia wrote:If anyone should be able to vote, then the vote should at least be restricted to legal adults who are net taxpayers, or who pay more in taxes than they receive from the government in benefits or income.
This way the people who vote for measures are the ones who have to pay for them, while anyone with a personal interest would be barred from voting.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Nah. Legal adult citizens. Period.Xuloqoia wrote:Why not have a system of "one man, one vote"? There's one guy who votes, and everyone else must obey them or else.
Vetinari would agree.
by Purpelia » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:45 am
by The Free Joy State » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:57 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Iwassoclose wrote:Just like there is an age restriction for when people can vote there should also be an age restriction for when people have to stop voting.
These group of people are most actively chased after by politicians to the detriment of young people who are the main or future participants in the economy and future of a country.
Do you agree with this proposition?
Ok.
As long as people up to the age of 30 can't vote and are not allowed to complain things.
Deal?
by Neu Leonstein » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:00 am
Fahran wrote:No taxation without representation" and all that, y'know?
I've stated that citizenship is a birthright.
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