MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[The Legion of Mankind]

Eh, despite McConnell's unpopularity, I suspect he'll win, especially with Trump's endorsement though it'll be close. Unless a surprise is in store, I suspect McConnell will win.

Moscow Mitch has a whopping 18% approval rating in KY however Bevins was almost twice that at 34%.

I would suspect Kentuckians may be sick of both of these Trump lickspittles, but I digress.

I’m from Kentucky and I’m an independent but I really don’t like Mitch or Bevin.... at all.

[Nakena]

werent they american citizens?

Do you want to invade Mexico?

Back in the days incidents like this were used as pretext for interventions. :^)

[Gormwood]

Do you want to invade Mexico?

Back in the days incidents like this were used as pretext for interventions. :^)

It'll be Vietnam 2: Electric Boogaloo except the VC had no practical way to do shit in the continental U.S.

[Valrifell]

Do you want to invade Mexico?

Back in the days incidents like this were used as pretext for interventions. :^)

Hence my witty retort.

[Northern Davincia]

werent they american citizens?

Do you want to invade Mexico?

Nobody said Manifest Destiny can't take a detour in the south.

[Northern Davincia]

Alabama SGA warns groups: Protest Trump during LSU game, risk losing reserved seating

So it turns out its the Conservatives, not the Liberals that are suppressing free speech on college campuses.

Every rule has an exception.

[The East Marches II]

Back in the days incidents like this were used as pretext for interventions. :^)

It'll be Vietnam 2: Electric Boogaloo except the VC had no practical way to do shit in the continental U.S.

Your blackpill here is fascinating Gauthier. Are you saying the US has really been infiltrated by a hostile outside force and that Mr. Trump might be correct? I wanna be sure to get this on record. Tell us Gauth :^)

[The East Marches II]

Infamous Nxivm Sex Cult Leader Was Allegedly From Same Mormon Community As Those Targeted In Mexico

According to your article, none of the people killed were participants, just people within their religious group were. You wouldn't be one to brand a whole religious group based off of the actions of a few, would you? :^)

So given that these were innocent citizens of our country massacred because Mexico is too much of a dysfunctional shithole to handle its own criminals, what should the US do about this?

I'm sorry, that rule only applies to brown people

[Shrillland]

Do you want to invade Mexico?

Nobody said Manifest Destiny can't take a detour in the south.

William Walker tried it, it didn't work out.

[Loben The 2nd]

werent they american citizens?

Do you want to invade Mexico?

who said anything about invasion?

maybe a few raids here and there and the suspects get escorted off to a black site deep in death valley.

[The East Marches II]

Mexico is a failed state at this point by most definitions (so is the US tbf but that is more willing than unwilling), there is nothing to be gained by seizing land. The cost of assaulting US citizens should be seen as high however as a general rule. At any rate, most of South American isn't worth the bones of a single American grenadier!, to borrow an old Bismarck phrase.

[The East Marches II]

Do you want to invade Mexico?

who said anything about invasion?

maybe a few raids here and there and the suspects get escorted off to a black site deep in death valley.

One wonders how much better things might be if we hadn't wasted 8 trillion dollars on people who can barely understand, much less execute democracy and instead have spent that blood & treasure stabilizing Mexico.

[Loben The 2nd]

who said anything about invasion?

maybe a few raids here and there and the suspects get escorted off to a black site deep in death valley.

One wonders how much better things might be if we hadn't wasted 8 trillion dollars on people who can barely understand, much less execute democracy and instead have spent that blood & treasure stabilizing Mexico.

surely that would mean that it would give mexicans already in the US a reason to move back to mexico if it was better off?

[The East Marches II]

One wonders how much better things might be if we hadn't wasted 8 trillion dollars on people who can barely understand, much less execute democracy and instead have spent that blood & treasure stabilizing Mexico.

surely that would mean that it would give mexicans already in the US a reason to move back to mexico if it was better off?

Perhaps. Then again it assumes Mexicans and Mexican culture can match the United States as a whole in terms of quality of life and opportunity. A charitable analysis to our friends in Mexico no doubt but one I fear which doesn't hold up.

[Loben The 2nd]

surely that would mean that it would give mexicans already in the US a reason to move back to mexico if it was better off?

Perhaps. Then again it assumes Mexicans and Mexican culture can match the United States as a whole in terms of quality of life and opportunity. A charitable analysis to our friends in Mexico no doubt but one I fear which doesn't hold up.

what if, god forbid, that there is a group of people dedicated to keep mexico in its current predicament for its benefit?

[NS Miami]

Q: And when you say that, this was the first time I heard that the security assistance—not just the White House meeting—was conditioned on the investigation, when you talk about conditioned, did you mean that if they didn’t do this, the investigations, they weren’t going to get that, the meeting and the military assistance?

A: That was my clear understanding, security assistance money would not come until the President [of Ukraine] committed to pursue the investigation.

Q: So if they don’t do this, they are not going to get that was your understanding?

A: Yes, sir.

Q: Are you aware that quid pro quo literally means this for that?

A: I am.

That's Bill Taylor there, the US’s top diplomat in Ukraine, in the released transcript.

Here is a different take on the Bill Taylor transcript conversations:

Testimony Transcript shows Willian Taylor never talked to Trump, wasn't even on July 25 Phone call:

A top anti-Trump witness for House Democrats admitted he wasn't on the July 25 phone call and had never even spoken with Trump about Ukraine military aid.
November 6, 2019 By Sean Davis

[Y]ou’ve never spoken to Mr. [Rudy] Giuliani?” Taylor was asked.
“No, no,” he replied.

“Has anyone ever asked you to speak to Mr. Giuliani?”
“No,” Taylor said.

“And if I may, have you spoken to the president of the United States?” Taylor was asked.
“I have not,” he said.

“You had no communications with the president of the United States?”
“Correct,” Taylor said.

He also admitted he had never spoken to Mick Mulvaney, Trump’s chief of staff.

When asked who exactly he had spoken to about the brouhaha, Taylor confirmed that his only contacts about the matter were with John Bolton, the former national security adviser who was fired by Trump, Fiona Hill, Alexander Vindman, and Tim Morrison. Both Hill and Vindman are rumored to have been sources for the so-called whistleblower who filed a complaint against Trump in August.

Taylor also testified that his knowledge of the phone call between Trump and Ukrainian president Volodymr Zelensky wasn’t first-hand knowledge.

And this isn’t firsthand. It’s not secondhand. It’s not thirdhand,” Rep. Lee Zeldin, R-N.Y., said to Taylor. “But if I understand this correctly, you’re telling us that Tim Morrison told you that Ambassador Sondland told him that the president told Ambassador Sondland that Zelensky would have to open an investigation into Biden?”

“That’s correct,” Taylor admitted.

Zeldin noted that the only reference to Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden in Taylor’s opening statement stemmed from that convoluted game of telephone. The New York lawmaker hammered Taylor for relying on third-hand information about the state of mind of an elected official to whom he had never spoken.
“So do you have any other source that the president’s goal in making this
request was anything other than The New York Times?” Zeldin asked.

“I have not talked to the president,” Taylor said. “I have no other information from what the president was thinking.”

Under questioning from Rep. John Ratcliffe, R-Texas, Taylor also testified that the Ukrainian government wasn’t aware U.S. military funding had been temporarily suspended until late August, and then only after the information was leaked to the news media, meaning an alleged quid pro quo would have been impossible.

“So, if nobody in the Ukrainian government is aware of a military hold at the time of the Trump-Zelensky call, then, as a matter of law and as a matter of fact, there can be no quid pro quo, based on military aid,” Ratcliffe, a former federal prosecutor, said. “I just want to be real clear that, again, as of July 25th, you have no knowledge of a quid pro quo involving military aid.”

“July 25th is a week after the hold was put on the security assistance,” Taylor testified. “And July 25th, they had a conversation between the two presidents, where it was not discussed.”

“And to your knowledge, nobody in the Ukrainian government was aware of the hold?” Ratcliffe asked.

“That is correct,” Taylor responded.

Taylor also testified that he didn’t see any official readout of the July 25 phone call until it was declassified and released by Trump in late September.

“I did not see any official readout of the call until it was publicly released on September 25th,” he said.

Source: The Federalist:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/06/te ... hone-call/

Meet my new 151 Plus nation. I had over 150 Plus nations when I created this one.

[The East Marches II]

Perhaps. Then again it assumes Mexicans and Mexican culture can match the United States as a whole in terms of quality of life and opportunity. A charitable analysis to our friends in Mexico no doubt but one I fear which doesn't hold up.

what if, god forbid, that there is a group of people dedicated to keep mexico in its current predicament for its benefit?

Why I never! What sort of dastardly people would ever do such a thing? Who would stand to benefit? I thought these things resolved themselves????

[Loben The 2nd]

what if, god forbid, that there is a group of people dedicated to keep mexico in its current predicament for its benefit?

Why I never! What sort of dastardly people would ever do such a thing? Who would stand to benefit? I thought these things resolved themselves????

Dastardly people who have everything to gain and want to seem charitable for the cameras to boot of course!

[The East Marches II]

Why I never! What sort of dastardly people would ever do such a thing? Who would stand to benefit? I thought these things resolved themselves????

Dastardly people who have everything to gain and want to seem charitable for the cameras to boot of course!

How do we stop them?!?!?!

[Loben The 2nd]

Dastardly people who have everything to gain and want to seem charitable for the cameras to boot of course!

How do we stop them?!?!?!

why by making mexico a better place to live of course! we give "incentives" the central government there to fix up their shit or face the consequences.

[Bear Stearns]

According to your article, none of the people killed were participants, just people within their religious group were. You wouldn't be one to brand a whole religious group based off of the actions of a few, would you? :^)

So given that these were innocent citizens of our country massacred because Mexico is too much of a dysfunctional shithole to handle its own criminals, what should the US do about this?

I'm sorry, that rule only applies to brown people

Clearly. When whites fuck up, we're a racist, fundamentalist, Nazi threat that must be dealt with. When brown people fuck up, they're just opposing institutional oppression and are expressing solidarity, of course.

[Bear Stearns]

who said anything about invasion?

maybe a few raids here and there and the suspects get escorted off to a black site deep in death valley.

One wonders how much better things might be if we hadn't wasted 8 trillion dollars on people who can barely understand, much less execute democracy and instead have spent that blood & treasure stabilizing Mexico.

Imagine if all the resources we spent managing border security between Iraq and Iran was spent securing our own border :^)

[Bear Stearns]

Perhaps. Then again it assumes Mexicans and Mexican culture can match the United States as a whole in terms of quality of life and opportunity. A charitable analysis to our friends in Mexico no doubt but one I fear which doesn't hold up.

what if, god forbid, that there is a group of people dedicated to keep mexico in its current predicament for its benefit?

There are...

[Loben The 2nd]

One wonders how much better things might be if we hadn't wasted 8 trillion dollars on people who can barely understand, much less execute democracy and instead have spent that blood & treasure stabilizing Mexico.

Imagine if all the resources we spent managing border security between Iraq and Iran was spent securing our own border :^)

the southwestern US would probably be a better place to live other then be the cartel's play ground.

[Loben The 2nd]

what if, god forbid, that there is a group of people dedicated to keep mexico in its current predicament for its benefit?

There are...

woah there, chief, lets not fly off the handle there.