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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:35 pm

Shrillland wrote:Tomorrow's Election Day for a lot for you guys(not for me, we don't have anything), so go vote!

FYI Missouri HD-78 is unopposed as far as I know. I always hate that. At least put up a paper candidate. Whenever something is unopposed when I vote I leave it blank
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Tomorrow's Election Day for a lot for you guys(not for me, we don't have anything), so go vote!

FYI Missouri HD-78 is unopposed as far as I know. I always hate that. At least put up a paper candidate. Whenever something is unopposed when I vote I leave it blank


No point in them when Downtown St. Louis is so incredibly blue as it is. Can you really put up a paper candidate when there's genuinely nobody there?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:56 pm

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San Lumen wrote:FYI Missouri HD-78 is unopposed as far as I know. I always hate that. At least put up a paper candidate. Whenever something is unopposed when I vote I leave it blank


No point in them when Downtown St. Louis is so incredibly blue as it is. Can you really put up a paper candidate when there's genuinely nobody there?

Im sure they could find someone. There will always be somebody who will vote for the other person no matter how small. They wouldn't even have to campaign.

In NYC Republicans run candidates in almost every election even though they are extremely unlikely to win.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
No point in them when Downtown St. Louis is so incredibly blue as it is. Can you really put up a paper candidate when there's genuinely nobody there?

Im sure they could find someone. There will always be somebody who will vote for the other person no matter how small. They wouldn't even have to campaign.

In NYC Republicans run candidates in almost every election even though they are extremely unlikely to win.


The whole city only got about 21,000 votes for Republicans in '16, and those were mostly in south St. Louis, not Downtown. It's not unusual for the Congressional race for St. Louis to go unopposed. Republicans have far more attractive targets in West County that they'll spend precious resources on.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:02 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im sure they could find someone. There will always be somebody who will vote for the other person no matter how small. They wouldn't even have to campaign.

In NYC Republicans run candidates in almost every election even though they are extremely unlikely to win.


The whole city only got about 21,000 votes for Republicans in '16, and those were mostly in south St. Louis, not Downtown. It's not unusual for the Congressional race for St. Louis to go unopposed. Republicans have far more attractive targets in West County that they'll spend precious resources on.

I am not saying they contest it. just get someone to be a paper candidate and raise no money and do no campaigning.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
The whole city only got about 21,000 votes for Republicans in '16, and those were mostly in south St. Louis, not Downtown. It's not unusual for the Congressional race for St. Louis to go unopposed. Republicans have far more attractive targets in West County that they'll spend precious resources on.

I am not saying they contest it. just get someone to be a paper candidate and raise no money and do no campaigning.


In any case, they don't need or want St. Louis. To them, it's Detroit with an arch and provel cheese.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:05 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I am not saying they contest it. just get someone to be a paper candidate and raise no money and do no campaigning.


In any case, they don't need or want St. Louis. To them, it's Detroit with an arch and provel cheese.

I understand but I dont think any election should be unopposed. There should be choice.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:06 pm

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In any case, they don't need or want St. Louis. To them, it's Detroit with an arch and provel cheese.

I understand but I dont think any election should be unopposed. There should be choice.


There could be soon enough, I'm still hopeful for the PR proposal to get on the ballot next year.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:33 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I understand but I dont think any election should be unopposed. There should be choice.


There could be soon enough, I'm still hopeful for the PR proposal to get on the ballot next year.

how would that work? the legislature would get rid of districts?

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
There could be soon enough, I'm still hopeful for the PR proposal to get on the ballot next year.

how would that work? the legislature would get rid of districts?


https://www.ballotpedia.org/Missouri_Proportional_Representation_Initiative_(2020)

Not exactly. There's two proposals being circulated for signature. One would switch the House from its current 163 seats to 80 with 8 multi-member districts, the other would reduce it to 160 with the same amount of districts. The Senate would indeed become an at-large body with its 34 seats elected statewide in both proposals. It would be a semi-open list with the list candidates chosen during the primaries and straight up counts in November.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:40 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:how would that work? the legislature would get rid of districts?


https://www.ballotpedia.org/Missouri_Proportional_Representation_Initiative_(2020)

Not exactly. There's two proposals being circulated for signature. One would switch the House from its current 163 seats to 80 with 8 multi-member districts, the other would reduce it to 160 with the same amount of districts. The Senate would indeed become an at-large body with its 34 seats elected statewide in both proposals. It would be a semi-open list with the list candidates chosen during the primaries and straight up counts in November.

Im not sure how I feel about that.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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https://www.ballotpedia.org/Missouri_Proportional_Representation_Initiative_(2020)

Not exactly. There's two proposals being circulated for signature. One would switch the House from its current 163 seats to 80 with 8 multi-member districts, the other would reduce it to 160 with the same amount of districts. The Senate would indeed become an at-large body with its 34 seats elected statewide in both proposals. It would be a semi-open list with the list candidates chosen during the primaries and straight up counts in November.

Im not sure how I feel about that.


The Senate proposal could run afoul of the Voting Rights Act, I agree, but that can be changed. The FPTP system has clearly failed and we need improvement. Even Nevada has a possible measure to go to a multi-member STV Senate: https://www.ballotpedia.org/Nevada_Single_Transferable_Vote_and_Multimember_Senate_Districts_Initiative_(2020)
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:45 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im not sure how I feel about that.


The Senate proposal could run afoul of the Voting Rights Act, I agree, but that can be changed. The FPTP system has clearly failed and we need improvement. Even Nevada has a possible measure to go to a multi-member STV Senate: https://www.ballotpedia.org/Nevada_Single_Transferable_Vote_and_Multimember_Senate_Districts_Initiative_(2020)

The at large Senate is very likely a Voting Rights act violation. while i like district based elections i am in favor of reform. I like IRV or MMP the best.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
The Senate proposal could run afoul of the Voting Rights Act, I agree, but that can be changed. The FPTP system has clearly failed and we need improvement. Even Nevada has a possible measure to go to a multi-member STV Senate: https://www.ballotpedia.org/Nevada_Single_Transferable_Vote_and_Multimember_Senate_Districts_Initiative_(2020)

The at large Senate is very likely a Voting Rights act violation. while i like district based elections i am in favor of reform. I like IRV or MMP the best.


I'm an MMP fan too, but I'll take what reform I can get. As for IRV, Alaska, California, Massachusetts, and Missouri all have petitions circulating as we speak...California also has one for a 300-member non-partisan legislature while Alaska has one to make Anchorage the legislative capital, so we can't hold our breath too much.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:50 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The at large Senate is very likely a Voting Rights act violation. while i like district based elections i am in favor of reform. I like IRV or MMP the best.


I'm an MMP fan too, but I'll take what reform I can get. As for IRV, Alaska, California, Massachusetts, and Missouri all have petitions circulating as we speak...California also has one for a 300-member non-partisan legislature while Alaska has one to make Anchorage the legislative capital, so we can't hold our breath too much.

IRV is one of the best reforms but my ideal system is MMP as it gives both sides what they want.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:17 pm

Voting is tomorrow! If you have an election coming up, get to the polling place and cast your vote!
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Postby Blargoblarg » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:47 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Voting is tomorrow! If you have an election coming up, get to the polling place and cast your vote!

Mine is just a city and local school board election, but I've done a little research on the candidates and I'm planning to go vote in the afternoon.
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:21 am

The Marsy's Law Amendment might not even amend/count because there is an ongoing lawsuit and the state supreme court just ruled that the votes are not to be counted or tabulated.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/11 ... -question/

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) – Pennsylvania’s highest court is telling state elections officials not to tally or certify the results of a referendum on a victims’ rights constitutional amendment.

A divided Supreme Court upheld a lower-court ruling Monday and directed the Department of State not to count or certify Tuesday’s results from Pennsylvania’s 67 counties.

The ballot question was put in limbo last week, when Commonwealth Court Judge Ellen Ceisler issued an injunction at the request of the state League of Women Voters.

Ceisler ruled her injunction should remain in place until the underlying lawsuit challenging the so-called “Marsy’s Law” amendment is resolved, including appeals.

The amendment would enshrine into the state constitution rights that include notifications and being allowed to attend and weigh in during plea hearings, sentencings and parole proceedings.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:12 am

Dresderstan wrote:The Marsy's Law Amendment might not even amend/count because there is an ongoing lawsuit and the state supreme court just ruled that the votes are not to be counted or tabulated.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/11 ... -question/

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) – Pennsylvania’s highest court is telling state elections officials not to tally or certify the results of a referendum on a victims’ rights constitutional amendment.

A divided Supreme Court upheld a lower-court ruling Monday and directed the Department of State not to count or certify Tuesday’s results from Pennsylvania’s 67 counties.

The ballot question was put in limbo last week, when Commonwealth Court Judge Ellen Ceisler issued an injunction at the request of the state League of Women Voters.

Ceisler ruled her injunction should remain in place until the underlying lawsuit challenging the so-called “Marsy’s Law” amendment is resolved, including appeals.

The amendment would enshrine into the state constitution rights that include notifications and being allowed to attend and weigh in during plea hearings, sentencings and parole proceedings.

That’s crazy

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Postby Miami Shores » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:16 pm

I will be following the governors races election results tonight direct from the Secretary of State offices. Especially the Kentucky governors race.

I have American conservative Republican friends in Kentucky, the Hicks family, I have visited them in Kentucky twice, so the election is particularly important for me to follow, and I am a political junkie.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:The Marsy's Law Amendment might not even amend/count because there is an ongoing lawsuit and the state supreme court just ruled that the votes are not to be counted or tabulated.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/11 ... -question/


That’s crazy


Not really, technically speaking, it is unconstitutional. If we have a presumption of victimhood, we're presuming that a crime existed, which in turn leads to a presumption of guilt.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:00 pm

Polls are now closed in EST Kentucky.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:30 pm

Shrillland wrote:Polls are now closed in EST Kentucky.


Bevin seems to be performing about 10-15 points lower than Trump's performance in 2016 in nearly every county with early results. It's going to be a nail-biter, I'm sure.

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Postby Miami Shores » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:39 pm

Shrillland wrote:Polls are now closed in EST Kentucky.


According to CNN with 1 % of the votes Democrat Steve Beshear has a strong lead 0f 50.90 % to 47.80 % for Republican Governor Matt Bevin. I am trying to find the results on the Kentucky Secretary of State's office links and it is like finding a needle in a Kentucky Haystack.

Can you help me find it?

I care about this election because I have American conservative Republican Friends in Kentucky the Hix family, which I have visited twice in Kentucky.
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