MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[Miami Shores]

Posted by San Lumen:
Trump committed an impeachable offense. He literally broke the law and may have ordered Giuliani to do illegal things and get an ambassador fired.

Posted by Miami Shores:
You are entitled to your own opinion not to your own facts.

why do you keep writing that? What part of it is ILLEGAL to solicit dirt from a foreign country on a political opponent to you not get? This is much bigger than just the phone call.

If Giuliani is truly innocent why where two of his associates arrested and why is he under federal investigation?

How many times have you posted this to me: You are entitled to your own opinion not to your own facts.

So you are entitled to your own opinion not to your own facts.

[San Lumen]

why do you keep writing that? What part of it is ILLEGAL to solicit dirt from a foreign country on a political opponent to you not get? This is much bigger than just the phone call.

If Giuliani is truly innocent why where two of his associates arrested and why is he under federal investigation?

How many times have you posted this to me: You are entitled to your own opinion not to your own facts.

So you are entitled to your own opinion not to your own facts.

I am not stating an opinion.

[Miami Shores]

How many times have you posted this to me: You are entitled to your own opinion not to your own facts.

So you are entitled to your own opinion not to your own facts.

I am not stating an opinion.

Yes you are,

[San Lumen]

I am not stating an opinion.

Yes you are,

No im not. Did you read the call transcript that started this whole thing?

Do you think Giuliani is wrongfully under investigation too and his associates were falsely arrested?

[Miami Shores]

Yes you are,

No im not. Did you read the call transcript that started this whole thing?

Do you think Giuliani is wrongfully under investigation too and his associates were falsely arrested?

Nothing has been proven against Donnie, Rudy Giuliani and his 2 associates beyond a doubt. You are stating your opinion, you are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.

[Cannot think of a name]

John Barron has a colleague.

In his 2011 book "Death by China," President Donald Trump's senior adviser Peter Navarro quoted a China hawk named "Ron Vara" to prove his point on the threat posed by Beijing to the American economy.
"Only the Chinese can turn a leather sofa into an acid bath, a baby crib into a lethal weapon, and a cell phone battery into heart-piercing shrapnel," Vara said. He appears once more in the book and is even referenced in the index.
There's just one problem -- Vara doesn't appear to exist, according to an investigation by an Australian academic, who determined that Vara is actually Navarro.

Oh, but it gets better. He left a clue like he was a goddamn Batman villain.

Ron Vara is even an anagram of Navarro's last name.
Vara's true identity was revealed by an Australian academic, who began to investigate him after being asked to write an article on anti-China rhetoric for a local politics and foreign affairs blog.

Tessa Morris-Suzuki, a professor emeritus of Japanese history at the Australian National University, told CNN she tried to find Vara after being asked to write an article on anti-China rhetoric for a local politics and foreign affairs blog.
"I just looked him up online, assuming he might be some businessman or other, and then he wasn't there. The more I looked, the more I thought this was really strange," she said.
"Then I realized the anagram."

Just...fucking wow.

[Gormwood]

John Barron has a colleague.

In his 2011 book "Death by China," President Donald Trump's senior adviser Peter Navarro quoted a China hawk named "Ron Vara" to prove his point on the threat posed by Beijing to the American economy.
"Only the Chinese can turn a leather sofa into an acid bath, a baby crib into a lethal weapon, and a cell phone battery into heart-piercing shrapnel," Vara said. He appears once more in the book and is even referenced in the index.
There's just one problem -- Vara doesn't appear to exist, according to an investigation by an Australian academic, who determined that Vara is actually Navarro.

Oh, but it gets better. He left a clue like he was a goddamn Batman villain.

Ron Vara is even an anagram of Navarro's last name.
Vara's true identity was revealed by an Australian academic, who began to investigate him after being asked to write an article on anti-China rhetoric for a local politics and foreign affairs blog.

Tessa Morris-Suzuki, a professor emeritus of Japanese history at the Australian National University, told CNN she tried to find Vara after being asked to write an article on anti-China rhetoric for a local politics and foreign affairs blog.
"I just looked him up online, assuming he might be some businessman or other, and then he wasn't there. The more I looked, the more I thought this was really strange," she said.
"Then I realized the anagram."

Just...fucking wow.

Real life puppetwanking.

[Necroghastia]

No im not. Did you read the call transcript that started this whole thing?

Do you think Giuliani is wrongfully under investigation too and his associates were falsely arrested?

Nothing has been proven against Donnie, Rudy Giuliani and his 2 associates beyond a doubt. You are stating your opinion, you are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.

Why are you so against the impeachment process, then? It is through the investigation that guilt or innocence can be proven, after all.

[Miami Shores]

Nothing has been proven against Donnie, Rudy Giuliani and his 2 associates beyond a doubt. You are stating your opinion, you are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.

Why are you so against the impeachment process, then? It is through the investigation that guilt or innocence can be proven, after all.

The charges against Donnie by the Democrats especially during an election year are political, just like the impeachment attempt by my fellow Republicans against President Bill Clinton, were political, wrong, dumb and stupid.

The Watergate case against Republican President Nixon was clear.

Now Democrat Adam Schiff says their does not have to be a quid pro quo. Now Democrat Adam Schiff says the whistleblower may not have to testify after all, because they have enough evidence against Donnie, which can be subjective, and he is very concerned about the whistleblowers safety which only he and a few Democrats know who it is, and no Republicans know who it is, how convenient for the Democrats.

If the whistleblower does not testify, their is no whistleblower and it was all a setup to start the political investigation process against Donnie to weaken Donnie politically especially during an election year, impeachment vote or no impeachment vote.

The evidence he says he now has against Donnie and does not need the whistleblower to testify can be subjective not facts.

[Necroghastia]

Why are you so against the impeachment process, then? It is through the investigation that guilt or innocence can be proven, after all.

The charges against Donnie by the Democrats especially during an election year are political,

It's not an election year.

just like the impeachment attempt by my fellow Republicans against President Bill Clinton, were political, wrong, dumb and stupid.

The Watergate case against Republican President Nixon was clear.

Now Democrat Adam Schiff says their does not have to be a quid pro quo. Now Democrat Adam Schiff says the whistleblower may not have to testify after all, because they have enough evidence against Donnie, which can be subjective, and he is very concerned about the whistleblowers safety which only he and a few Democrats know who it is, and no Republicans know who it is, how convenient for the Democrats.

If the whistleblower does not testify, their is no whistleblower

Something something this is political there is no proof beyond reasonable doubt something something

and it was all a setup to start the political investigation process against Donnie to weaken Donnie politically especially during an election year, impeachment vote or no impeachment vote.

The evidence he says he now has against Donnie and does not need the whistleblower to testify can be subjective and open to interpretation guilty or not guilty, not facts.

Which is why you should be all for the impeachment process - the facts will come out, be it for or against 45.

[Wallenburg]

The charges against Donnie by the Democrats especially during an election year are political,

It's not an election year.

just like the impeachment attempt by my fellow Republicans against President Bill Clinton, were political, wrong, dumb and stupid.

The Watergate case against Republican President Nixon was clear.

Now Democrat Adam Schiff says their does not have to be a quid pro quo. Now Democrat Adam Schiff says the whistleblower may not have to testify after all, because they have enough evidence against Donnie, which can be subjective, and he is very concerned about the whistleblowers safety which only he and a few Democrats know who it is, and no Republicans know who it is, how convenient for the Democrats.

If the whistleblower does not testify, their is no whistleblower

Something something this is political there is no proof beyond reasonable doubt something something

and it was all a setup to start the political investigation process against Donnie to weaken Donnie politically especially during an election year, impeachment vote or no impeachment vote.

The evidence he says he now has against Donnie and does not need the whistleblower to testify can be subjective and open to interpretation guilty or not guilty, not facts.

Which is why you should be all for the impeachment process - the facts will come out, be it for or against 45.

Why bother with facts when you can support Donnie through attempt after attempt to rig the election in his favor.

[Nakena]

John Barron has a colleague.

Oh, but it gets better. He left a clue like he was a goddamn Batman villain.

Just...fucking wow.

Real life puppetwanking.

As long as Mr Vara isn't on a real life payroll of the White House...

[Duhon]

Real life puppetwanking.

As long as Mr Vara isn't on a real life payroll of the White House...

ghost employees?
in this white house?
why, if this admin isn't employing a few, i would be shocked
that would actually be up trump's alley

[Miami Shores]

It's not an election year.

Something something this is political there is no proof beyond reasonable doubt something something

Which is why you should be all for the impeachment process - the facts will come out, be it for or against 45.

Why bother with facts when you can support Donnie through attempt after attempt to rig the election in his favor.

I meant to post during an election season as I have posted before.

Why bother with facts - No facts have been proven against Donnie beyond a doubt.

Why bother with facts when you can support Donnie through attempt after attempt to rig the election in his favor - It has not been proven Donnie or the Russians rigged the election in Donnie's favor.

Whatever the Russians did they wasted their time and money, Hillary and Trump campaigned and debated each other and Trump won according to the electoral college rules, the Russians are laughing at the American impeachment process against Donnie.

Obama and others might have know about possible spying on the Trump campaign during 2016, perhaps they should be investigated as well.

If Donnie looses the election and leads a right wing military Coup D'état then you might have a point of some kind, but I don't think that is going to happen, Donnie is not a dictator, I know 3 real dictators Fidel Castro Ruz, Raúl Castro Ruz and Miguel Diaz-Canel of Cuba.

See my previous posts:
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[Vassenor]

Why bother with facts when you can support Donnie through attempt after attempt to rig the election in his favor.

I meant to post during an election season as I have posted before.

Why bother with facts - No facts have been proven against Donnie beyond a doubt.

Why bother with facts when you can support Donnie through attempt after attempt to rig the election in his favor. It has not been proven Donnie or the Russians rigged the election in Donnie's favor.

Whatever the Russians did they wasted their time and money, Hillary and Trump campaigned and debated each other and Trump won according to the electoral college rules, the Russians are laughing at the American impeachment process against Donnie.

If Donnie looses the election and leads a right wing military Coup D'état then you might have a point of some kind, but I don't think that is going to happen, Donnie is not a dictator, I know 3 real dictators Fidel Castro Ruz, Raúl Castro Ruz and Miguel Diaz-Canel of Cuba.

and there we go with the copypasta deflection again.

[Miami Shores]

I meant to post during an election season as I have posted before.

Why bother with facts - No facts have been proven against Donnie beyond a doubt.

Why bother with facts when you can support Donnie through attempt after attempt to rig the election in his favor. It has not been proven Donnie or the Russians rigged the election in Donnie's favor.

Whatever the Russians did they wasted their time and money, Hillary and Trump campaigned and debated each other and Trump won according to the electoral college rules, the Russians are laughing at the American impeachment process against Donnie.

If Donnie looses the election and leads a right wing military Coup D'état then you might have a point of some kind, but I don't think that is going to happen, Donnie is not a dictator, I know 3 real dictators Fidel Castro Ruz, Raúl Castro Ruz and Miguel Diaz-Canel of Cuba.

and there we go with the copypasta deflection again.

I have a right to post anything I want to anyway I want to, I never tell you what to post and how to post it, I never tell any fellow nation what to post and how to post it, I respect your right, please respect my right.

Copypasta, I did not copypasta anything, I typed all of this, copypasta is your opinion not your facts, if I repeated anything it is because it fits the post based on how I think.

Deflection is your opinion not your facts.

[Chan Island]

and there we go with the copypasta deflection again.

I have a right to post anything I want to anyway I want to, I never tell you what to post and how to post it, I never tell any fellow nation what to post and how to post it, I respect your right, please respect my right.

Copypasta, I did not copypasta anything, I typed all of this, copypasta is your opinion not your facts, if I repeated anything it is because it fits the post based on how I think.

Deflection is your opinion not your facts.

How's it anything other than deflection that when somebody pointed out that trump committed potentially impeachable offenses, you instantly talked about Hillary Clinton's emails? Which have already been investigated by the FIB.

[Miami Shores]

Source Politico:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/1 ... uke-048491

I agree and he should be forced to resign as Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, for twisting President Trumps words against him on national TV to make it sound worse, and refusing to apologize to the American People.

The other reasons are the Republican leaders and Alberto's.

Republicans set to force vote formally rebuking Schiff

A few excerpts, you can read the rest on Politico:

House Republicans took steps on Wednesday to force a floor vote on a measure formally condemning Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), who is leading the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.

Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.), the head of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, filed the censure resolution as “privileged,” meaning the House now has to act within the next two legislative days. While Democrats will likely just move to table the symbolic measure, it represents the GOP’s most aggressive offensive yet as the party tries to coalesce around a strategy to beat back Democratic impeachment efforts.

“On numerous occasions, Chairman Adam Schiff has used his position to mislead the American people. This censure resolution is about restoring a process that is fair, objective, and fact-based,” said House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.). “I call for his censure in the House.”

The censure resolution, which is sponsored by over 150 Republicans, has the backing of top GOP leaders including McCarthy, Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) and GOP Conference Chairwoman Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), the third highest-ranking House Republican.

Trump and the GOP have seized on Schiff’s mid-hearing exaggerated rendition of Trump’s phone call with Ukraine to make it sound like a mob boss shakedown, as well as a New York Times report that a whistleblower sought guidance from an Intelligence Committee aide, which Republicans have used to allege without evidence that Schiff helped coordinate the complaint. Both episodes were cited in the censure resolution.

“No more secret proceedings. No more Soviet-style proceedings,” Biggs said on the floor.

Source Politico - You can read all the comments on the Link:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/1 ... uke-048491

I am the worlds greatest insomniac I beat the worlds record everyday.

[Galloism]

Coup d'etat has a meaning. A standard political process being used in a political way is not a coup d'etat.

A coup d'etat is, by definition, extralegal.

A coup is constitutional process in some countries Gallo. Don't have such a Eurocentric and bigoted opinion, you're better than that. Please respect other cultures.

I feel like that came straight out of left field.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Elijah Cummings has died
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-t ... WW1FN?il=0

You don't cross Trump.

[Zurkerx]

Elijah Cummings has died
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-t ... WW1FN?il=0

You don't cross Trump.

I was honestly surprised he passed though after reading a bit, I'm not shocked: he had a lot of health problems.

But in other news now, Ambassador to the EU, Sondland, will testify that Trump directed Giuliani to push Ukraine scheme.

He'll reportedly say that he was disappointed in the State Department blocking him, he didn't share his prepared statement to the White House, and that "Some may want me to say things to protect the president at all costs; some may want me to provide damning facts to support the other side. But none of that matters to me. I have no interest in pursuing higher office or taking political shots- these are my words".

[Gravlen]

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Before you follow the link, let's play "Real letter or fake/satire"?

Spoiler: It was a genuine letter.

Unsurprisingly, Erdogan reportedly weren't persuaded by this perfect letter.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan put US President Donald Trump's letter "in the bin", the BBC has been told.

In response, Turkish presidential sources told BBC Turkish: "President Erdogan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin."

[Gormwood]

Before you follow the link, let's play "Real letter or fake/satire"?

Spoiler: It was a genuine letter.

Unsurprisingly, Erdogan reportedly weren't persuaded by this perfect letter.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan put US President Donald Trump's letter "in the bin", the BBC has been told.

In response, Turkish presidential sources told BBC Turkish: "President Erdogan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin."

Donald John Trump: Big Deal Maker

[Ifreann]

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Before you follow the link, let's play "Real letter or fake/satire"?

Spoiler: It was a genuine letter.

Unsurprisingly, Erdogan reportedly weren't persuaded by this perfect letter.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan put US President Donald Trump's letter "in the bin", the BBC has been told.

In response, Turkish presidential sources told BBC Turkish: "President Erdogan received the letter, thoroughly rejected it and put it in the bin."

Apparently Trump has been handing out copies of this letter to people in the White House, as if to impress them with how tough he was being.

[Gormwood]

The only way Donnie could actually destroy the Turkish economy was if Erdogan was stupid enough to put him in charge of it.