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Postby TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:25 pm

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TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
I did ask Dentali, and although he doubts the Japanese's troops ability to survive, which doesn't make sense, cause they were already there and had survived there for decades, but I noticed in his app he doesn't claim Taiwan, so I was wondering if I could continue with creating an app.



.... i speaking to you via tg its bad form to start badmouthing me. No it makes no sense at all. for reason I have TGed you, do you want to have the conversation here or via tg? i'm not doing both

Well we are having this petty discussion via TG, I am just asking Asardia permission, as you do not claim Taiwan. You know, you say it doesn't make sense to you, but like Japan being communist? A revolt? If anything that makes no sense. A lot of things in this RP do not follow IRL, because this would be a history book if it was.
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Postby Dentali » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:47 pm

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
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.... i speaking to you via tg its bad form to start badmouthing me. No it makes no sense at all. for reason I have TGed you, do you want to have the conversation here or via tg? i'm not doing both

Well we are having this petty discussion via TG, I am just asking Asardia permission, as you do not claim Taiwan. You know, you say it doesn't make sense to you, but like Japan being communist? A revolt? If anything that makes no sense. A lot of things in this RP do not follow IRL, because this would be a history book if it was.


Its not petty, youre trying to take territory that belongs to China aka me. I am picking my battles regarding the stupid apps on this OOC such as communist japan to ones that only directly involve me.

no way in hell the United States just says "I know we are at war with these guys and we were willing to drop 2 nuclear weapons on civilian populations to get these guys to surrender but Taiwan is fine, even though we demanded unconditional surrender from literally everyone else and these guys are still fighting us, these guys are just fine in the South China Sea one of the most strategic locations for trade in the world"

What world would the United States possibly let them live? The Japanese home Islands didn't have the resources or production capacity to fight a war with the United States, what hope would a completely underdeveloped island have? Why would the solider not surrender when their emperor who they revere as a god told them to? He gets assassinated? That violates the "No major changes before the end of WW2 rule"
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:52 pm

Dentali wrote:
TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:Well we are having this petty discussion via TG, I am just asking Asardia permission, as you do not claim Taiwan. You know, you say it doesn't make sense to you, but like Japan being communist? A revolt? If anything that makes no sense. A lot of things in this RP do not follow IRL, because this would be a history book if it was.


Its not petty, youre trying to take territory that belongs to China aka me. I am picking my battles regarding the stupid apps on this OOC such as communist japan to ones that only directly involve me.

no way in hell the United States just says "I know we are at war with these guys and we were willing to drop 2 nuclear weapons on civilian populations to get these guys to surrender but Taiwan is fine, even though we demanded unconditional surrender from literally everyone else and these guys are still fighting us, these guys are just fine in the South China Sea one of the most strategic locations for trade in the world"

What world would the United States possibly let them live? The Japanese home Islands didn't have the resources or production capacity to fight a war with the United States, what hope would a completely underdeveloped island have? Why would the solider not surrender when their emperor who they revere as a god told them to? He gets assassinated? That violates the "No major changes before the end of WW2 rule"

Technically, it's "No major changes before 1945"

Unless there's been some change of rules I'm not aware of
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Postby TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:56 pm

Dentali wrote:
TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:Well we are having this petty discussion via TG, I am just asking Asardia permission, as you do not claim Taiwan. You know, you say it doesn't make sense to you, but like Japan being communist? A revolt? If anything that makes no sense. A lot of things in this RP do not follow IRL, because this would be a history book if it was.


Its not petty, youre trying to take territory that belongs to China aka me. I am picking my battles regarding the stupid apps on this OOC such as communist japan to ones that only directly involve me.

no way in hell the United States just says "I know we are at war with these guys and we were willing to drop 2 nuclear weapons on civilian populations to get these guys to surrender but Taiwan is fine, even though we demanded unconditional surrender from literally everyone else and these guys are still fighting us, these guys are just fine in the South China Sea one of the most strategic locations for trade in the world"

What world would the United States possibly let them live? The Japanese home Islands didn't have the resources or production capacity to fight a war with the United States, what hope would a completely underdeveloped island have? Why would the solider not surrender when their emperor who they revere as a god told them to? He gets assassinated? That violates the "No major changes before the end of WW2 rule"


I am getting offended at what you call my people, and my family as "underdeveloped" peoples but I will not let racial discrimination affect me, being a good Japanese. I also don't like how you also on top of your comments, are discriminating my religion, Shintoism.

I could argue with you for hours about what you call my people, who had as a "underdeveloped island" beat the Russians in 1905, the Chinese thrice, the Germans, Korea, and many other nations that I am sure you consider superior.

But I have talked with Warg, and A. He said the Japanese surrendered and the Japanese were offered to take up a government in exile.

Also you must have not read the Felan Federation's app, cause he said that the Emperor died in the bombings. So if you think he is breaking that rule, bring it up with him, not me.

But if you so demand, I will just claim the Ryukyu.
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:01 am

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
Dentali wrote:
Its not petty, youre trying to take territory that belongs to China aka me. I am picking my battles regarding the stupid apps on this OOC such as communist japan to ones that only directly involve me.

no way in hell the United States just says "I know we are at war with these guys and we were willing to drop 2 nuclear weapons on civilian populations to get these guys to surrender but Taiwan is fine, even though we demanded unconditional surrender from literally everyone else and these guys are still fighting us, these guys are just fine in the South China Sea one of the most strategic locations for trade in the world"

What world would the United States possibly let them live? The Japanese home Islands didn't have the resources or production capacity to fight a war with the United States, what hope would a completely underdeveloped island have? Why would the solider not surrender when their emperor who they revere as a god told them to? He gets assassinated? That violates the "No major changes before the end of WW2 rule"


I am getting offended at what you call my people, and my family as "underdeveloped" peoples but I will not let racial discrimination affect me, being a good Japanese.

I could argue with you for hours about what you call my people, who had as a "underdeveloped island" beat the Russians in 1905, the Chinese thrice, the Germans, Korea, and many other nations that I am sure you consider superior.

But I have talked with Warg, and A. He said the Japanese surrendered and the Japanese were offered to take up a government in exile.

Also you must have not read the Felan Federation's app, cause he said that the Emperor died in the bombings. So if you think he is breaking that rule, bring it up with him, not me.

But if you so demand, I will just claim the Ryukyu.

Yeah, so I've organised something with him

Basically, the US decided to create an opposition Government in Exile made up of Imperial Japanese officials and soldiers (both escaped from Japan when the Communists came and captured by the US) to try and help in destabilising and overthrowing the Communist Japanese Government (don't worry, we aren't letting war criminals like Tojo live)

The US Fleet will have occupied the Ryukyu Islands and refused to give them back to Commie Japan, thus allowing the Government in Exile to base themselves there

And also, apparently, most of the Imperial Family (including the Emperor) were killed during the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:10 am

Hypron wrote:What is the plausibility of me making a Chieftain MBT using the L1A1 120mm gun (1949) instead of the L11A5 120 mm gun (1965) and the Rolls Royce Meteor Engine (1941) instead of the Leyland L60 (1959)?


I don't want to sound like a dick but you have to realise somethings when it comes to future tech being brought earlier in time and that is, it won't work to the same efficiency as what it historical did. For example bringing in a tank that was designed in the 1959 and produced in 1966 ten years earlier will come with loads of problems one of them being that you tank engine will be woefully under-powered for the Chieftain and it is not just. When talk about Tanks, aircraft etc the issue is that it is not solely about the gun or the engine or the armour it is everything like electronics, gearboxes, fuel pipes all the minor which help make a successful design successful with out the 1960s technology to back it up you will have a tank that may look like a chieftan but preforms like a Centurion tank.
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Postby Dentali » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:12 am

TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
Dentali wrote:
Its not petty, youre trying to take territory that belongs to China aka me. I am picking my battles regarding the stupid apps on this OOC such as communist japan to ones that only directly involve me.

no way in hell the United States just says "I know we are at war with these guys and we were willing to drop 2 nuclear weapons on civilian populations to get these guys to surrender but Taiwan is fine, even though we demanded unconditional surrender from literally everyone else and these guys are still fighting us, these guys are just fine in the South China Sea one of the most strategic locations for trade in the world"

What world would the United States possibly let them live? The Japanese home Islands didn't have the resources or production capacity to fight a war with the United States, what hope would a completely underdeveloped island have? Why would the solider not surrender when their emperor who they revere as a god told them to? He gets assassinated? That violates the "No major changes before the end of WW2 rule"


I am getting offended at what you call my people, and my family as "underdeveloped" peoples but I will not let racial discrimination affect me, being a good Japanese. I also don't like how you also on top of your comments, are discriminating my religion, Shintoism.

I could argue with you for hours about what you call my people, who had as a "underdeveloped island" beat the Russians in 1905, the Chinese thrice, the Germans, Korea, and many other nations that I am sure you consider superior.

But I have talked with Warg, and A. He said the Japanese surrendered and the Japanese were offered to take up a government in exile.

Also you must have not read the Felan Federation's app, cause he said that the Emperor died in the bombings. So if you think he is breaking that rule, bring it up with him, not me.

But if you so demand, I will just claim the Ryukyu.



INDUSTRIALLY UNDERDEVELOPED its not a racial thing at all, Admiral Yamamoto said he predicted that he would "win victory upon victory" in the first 6 to 12 months of war, but after that he had "no expectation of success." That was because the industrial capacity and natural resources of Japan were utter eclipsed by the United States.
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Postby Dentali » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:13 am

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON wrote:
I am getting offended at what you call my people, and my family as "underdeveloped" peoples but I will not let racial discrimination affect me, being a good Japanese.

I could argue with you for hours about what you call my people, who had as a "underdeveloped island" beat the Russians in 1905, the Chinese thrice, the Germans, Korea, and many other nations that I am sure you consider superior.

But I have talked with Warg, and A. He said the Japanese surrendered and the Japanese were offered to take up a government in exile.

Also you must have not read the Felan Federation's app, cause he said that the Emperor died in the bombings. So if you think he is breaking that rule, bring it up with him, not me.

But if you so demand, I will just claim the Ryukyu.

Yeah, so I've organised something with him

Basically, the US decided to create an opposition Government in Exile made up of Imperial Japanese officials and soldiers (both escaped from Japan when the Communists came and captured by the US) to try and help in destabilising and overthrowing the Communist Japanese Government (don't worry, we aren't letting war criminals like Tojo live)

The US Fleet will have occupied the Ryukyu Islands and refused to give them back to Commie Japan, thus allowing the Government in Exile to base themselves there

And also, apparently, most of the Imperial Family (including the Emperor) were killed during the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings


That makes much more sense
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Postby Hypron » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:16 am

I'm effectively only trying to do one of 2 things

1. Introduce something more powerful than the Cent. Mk. 3

2. Get a better weapon for the Cent. Mk. 3

Plus, i usually focus on the late Cold War (1965-1991) than the early Cold War (1945-1964) because that's when most of the entertaining bits happen.
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:28 am

Hypron wrote:I'm effectively only trying to do one of 2 things

1. Introduce something more powerful than the Cent. Mk. 3

2. Get a better weapon for the Cent. Mk. 3

Plus, i usually focus on the late Cold War (1965-1991) than the early Cold War (1945-1964) because that's when most of the entertaining bits happen.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conqueror_(tank)

The Conqueror tank that literally was the stop gap in between the the Centurion and the Chieftain and not just that the Centurion was an amazing tank for its time I don't see the need to develop a better tank cause then you run into the areas I described earlier which the technology sometimes isn't there so you will have a issues where future tanks being brought into that don't have the tech to make them successful tanks.
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Postby Hypron » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:31 am

Greater Liverpool wrote:
Hypron wrote:I'm effectively only trying to do one of 2 things

1. Introduce something more powerful than the Cent. Mk. 3

2. Get a better weapon for the Cent. Mk. 3

Plus, i usually focus on the late Cold War (1965-1991) than the early Cold War (1945-1964) because that's when most of the entertaining bits happen.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conqueror_(tank)

The Conqueror tank that literally was the stop gap in between the the Centurion and the Chieftain and not just that the Centurion was an amazing tank for its time I don't see the need to develop a better tank cause then you run into the areas I described earlier which the technology sometimes isn't there so you will have a issues where future tanks being brought into that don't have the tech to make them successful tanks.


This should do me over until 1959 (introduction of the L7 105 mm anti-tank gun)

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Postby Hypron » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:42 am

Out of sheer interest and complete boredom, i decided to compile a list of the main commanders of some of the Nations

United States of America: General Dwight D. Eisenhower, November 1945 to February 1949

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: Marshal of the Soviet Union Sergei Shtemenko, November 1948 to June 1952

United Kingdom of Great Britain: Field Marshal Sir William Slim, November 1948 to November 1952

Yugoslavia: Colonel General Koča Popović, September 1945 to January 1953

France: Général de corps d'armée Georges Revers, March 1947 to December 1949
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:30 am

Country Name: The African Socialist Provisional Government
Head of State/Government: Chairman Frederij De Klair (This is a callback to another RP that only a few of you will know)
Type of Government: Third World Socialism, Klairist Doctrine (Basically philosophical Maoism under a political and economic doctrine of syndicalism)
Capital: Johannesburg
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) Dispersed across Africa
Population: ???
Faction: Communist-leaning non-aligned
History: In 1930, a large decolonisation effort began with a South African pastor by the name of Frederij De Klair, who rallied the peoples of Africa first in non-violent resistance and later in more violent resistance with powerful rhetoric and the Western demonisation. For this, he was arrested for sedition in 1931, spurring on a large series of protests, escaping from prison in 1933. He made his rhetoric famous by hijacking radios and sending in spies through clandestine networks to spread De Klair's words. Whilst the movement got a mediocre amount of steam outside of rural farming areas, Johannesburg, parts of Belgian Congo and the areas surrounding Ethiopia, the end of WWII allowed De Klair, still in hiding training his troops for 15 years, waiting for the moment to strike, to declare his anti-Western crusade, with the aim of kicking the West out of Africa. His campaigns have been successful thus far, waging war on the Western Bloc effectively with the African Liberation Army, numbering about 75,000 strong. The African Socialist Provisional Government, meanwhile, has earned the assistance of farmers and oppressed minorities by distributing food in times of famine, along with small infrastructure spending. In fact, the 'safe' areas of ASPG control have been mostly unaffected by war, aside from the occasional Western air raid. By 1955, if the West doesn't give up the fight then, the ASPG will most likely be able to regroup and form a powerful resistance, as re-organisation is expected to finish by then. In 1955, the West will not be fighting plucky resistance fighters, but an organised army with control over considerable tracts of land...


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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:03 pm

Country Name: The Socialist Republic of Spain
Head of State/Government: Francisco Largo Caballero
Type of Government: Socialist totalitarian Republic
Capital: Madrid
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) IRL Spain in 1949, excluding African colonies.
Population: 28,117,873
Faction: Nonaligned, leaning towards communists and French syndicates.
History: The Spanish civil war is not easily won by the Nationalists. The French actively support the Republicans, sending them troops over the border. But the nazis and Italians still bombard them, so the war is still at a stalemate at the advent of the second world war. When the Germans invade France, the government flees to Republican-controlled areas of Spain, which angers the nazis who bombard them even more, leading to Madrid being surrounded. However, the nazis are forced to focus their resources on other conquests and eventually on defence rather than attack, and as Italy begins to retreat, the backbone of the Nationalist Army is lost and by the end of WW2, the vast majority of Spain is under Republican control. In 1947, the Republicans re-establish themselves as Socialist Republicans, and establish a new totalitarian, atheistic regime ruled over by a communist dictator with an iron fist. The civil war is practically over by 1949, with the only remaining nationalist territories being Ifni, the Canary Islands, Cape Juby, the Spanish Sahara and Spanish Guinea. However, the nationalists are still the recognised legitimate government of Spain by the majority of capitalist powers. The Spanish territories in Northern Morrocco have broke away into independence, and the Socialists are planning on conquering them back. Now it is time for Socialist Spain to prove itself as a legitimate and strong nation.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:14 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Country Name: The Socialist Republic of Spain
Head of State/Government: Francisco Largo Caballero
Type of Government: Socialist totalitarian Republic
Capital: Madrid
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) IRL Spain in 1949, excluding African colonies.
Population: 28,117,873
Faction: Nonaligned, leaning towards communists and French syndicates.
History: The Spanish civil war is not easily won by the Nationalists. The French actively support the Republicans, sending them troops over the border. But the nazis and Italians still bombard them, so the war is still at a stalemate at the advent of the second world war. When the Germans invade France, the government flees to Republican-controlled areas of Spain, which angers the nazis who bombard them even more, leading to Madrid being surrounded. However, the nazis are forced to focus their resources on other conquests and eventually on defence rather than attack, and as Italy begins to retreat, the backbone of the Nationalist Army is lost and by the end of WW2, the vast majority of Spain is under Republican control. In 1947, the Republicans re-establish themselves as Socialist Republicans, and establish a new totalitarian, atheistic regime ruled over by a communist dictator with an iron fist. The civil war is practically over by 1949, with the only remaining nationalist territories being Ifni, the Canary Islands, Cape Juby, the Spanish Sahara and Spanish Guinea. However, the nationalists are still the recognised legitimate government of Spain by the majority of capitalist powers. The Spanish territories in Northern Morrocco have broke away into independence, and the Socialists are planning on conquering them back. Now it is time for Socialist Spain to prove itself as a legitimate and strong nation.

You do realise that it was a near 50/50 split between syndicalists + democratic socialists and Stalinists, right? And assuming France helped, it would probably be more 4:1 split.
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:33 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:
Country Name: The Socialist Republic of Spain
Head of State/Government: Francisco Largo Caballero
Type of Government: Socialist totalitarian Republic
Capital: Madrid
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) IRL Spain in 1949, excluding African colonies.
Population: 28,117,873
Faction: Nonaligned, leaning towards communists and French syndicates.
History: The Spanish civil war is not easily won by the Nationalists. The French actively support the Republicans, sending them troops over the border. But the nazis and Italians still bombard them, so the war is still at a stalemate at the advent of the second world war. When the Germans invade France, the government flees to Republican-controlled areas of Spain, which angers the nazis who bombard them even more, leading to Madrid being surrounded. However, the nazis are forced to focus their resources on other conquests and eventually on defence rather than attack, and as Italy begins to retreat, the backbone of the Nationalist Army is lost and by the end of WW2, the vast majority of Spain is under Republican control. In 1947, the Republicans re-establish themselves as Socialist Republicans, and establish a new totalitarian, atheistic regime ruled over by a communist dictator with an iron fist. The civil war is practically over by 1949, with the only remaining nationalist territories being Ifni, the Canary Islands, Cape Juby, the Spanish Sahara and Spanish Guinea. However, the nationalists are still the recognised legitimate government of Spain by the majority of capitalist powers. The Spanish territories in Northern Morrocco have broke away into independence, and the Socialists are planning on conquering them back. Now it is time for Socialist Spain to prove itself as a legitimate and strong nation.

You do realise that it was a near 50/50 split between syndicalists + democratic socialists and Stalinists, right? And assuming France helped, it would probably be more 4:1 split.

I never said it was stalinist, only a totalitarian government comprised of various socialist ideologies.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:34 pm

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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:You do realise that it was a near 50/50 split between syndicalists + democratic socialists and Stalinists, right? And assuming France helped, it would probably be more 4:1 split.

I never said it was stalinist, only a totalitarian government comprised of various socialist ideologies.

The former two ideologies aren't totalitarian though. One is anarchist (expect in the case of American De Leonism which is democratic but not anarchist and Falangist National Syndicalists which supported Franco) and the other is democratic. Your only real support would be the Stalinists.
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:45 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:I never said it was stalinist, only a totalitarian government comprised of various socialist ideologies.

The former two ideologies aren't totalitarian though. One is anarchist (expect in the case of American De Leonism which is democratic but not anarchist and Falangist National Syndicalists which supported Franco) and the other is democratic. Your only real support would be the Stalinists.

Well, I could capitalise on that split for future chaos and infighting (maybe even French messing if the person playing France agrees to it). For now, totalitarian socialists are in charge.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:58 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:The former two ideologies aren't totalitarian though. One is anarchist (expect in the case of American De Leonism which is democratic but not anarchist and Falangist National Syndicalists which supported Franco) and the other is democratic. Your only real support would be the Stalinists.

Well, I could capitalise on that split for future chaos and infighting (maybe even French messing if the person playing France agrees to it). For now, totalitarian socialists are in charge.

Alright then. As you wish.
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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:22 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Country Name: The Socialist Republic of Spain
Head of State/Government: Francisco Largo Caballero
Type of Government: Socialist totalitarian Republic
Capital: Madrid
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) IRL Spain in 1949, excluding African colonies.
Population: 28,117,873
Faction: Nonaligned, leaning towards communists and French syndicates.
History: The Spanish civil war is not easily won by the Nationalists. The French actively support the Republicans, sending them troops over the border. But the nazis and Italians still bombard them, so the war is still at a stalemate at the advent of the second world war. When the Germans invade France, the government flees to Republican-controlled areas of Spain, which angers the nazis who bombard them even more, leading to Madrid being surrounded. However, the nazis are forced to focus their resources on other conquests and eventually on defence rather than attack, and as Italy begins to retreat, the backbone of the Nationalist Army is lost and by the end of WW2, the vast majority of Spain is under Republican control. In 1947, the Republicans re-establish themselves as Socialist Republicans, and establish a new totalitarian, atheistic regime ruled over by a communist dictator with an iron fist. The civil war is practically over by 1949, with the only remaining nationalist territories being Ifni, the Canary Islands, Cape Juby, the Spanish Sahara and Spanish Guinea. However, the nationalists are still the recognised legitimate government of Spain by the majority of capitalist powers. The Spanish territories in Northern Morrocco have broke away into independence, and the Socialists are planning on conquering them back. Now it is time for Socialist Spain to prove itself as a legitimate and strong nation.


I would go more into why the French supported the Republicans in this timeline, as the French Syndicates isn't a nation in the RP history anymore.

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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:23 pm

The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:
Country Name: The Socialist Republic of Spain
Head of State/Government: Francisco Largo Caballero
Type of Government: Socialist totalitarian Republic
Capital: Madrid
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) IRL Spain in 1949, excluding African colonies.
Population: 28,117,873
Faction: Nonaligned, leaning towards communists and French syndicates.
History: The Spanish civil war is not easily won by the Nationalists. The French actively support the Republicans, sending them troops over the border. But the nazis and Italians still bombard them, so the war is still at a stalemate at the advent of the second world war. When the Germans invade France, the government flees to Republican-controlled areas of Spain, which angers the nazis who bombard them even more, leading to Madrid being surrounded. However, the nazis are forced to focus their resources on other conquests and eventually on defence rather than attack, and as Italy begins to retreat, the backbone of the Nationalist Army is lost and by the end of WW2, the vast majority of Spain is under Republican control. In 1947, the Republicans re-establish themselves as Socialist Republicans, and establish a new totalitarian, atheistic regime ruled over by a communist dictator with an iron fist. The civil war is practically over by 1949, with the only remaining nationalist territories being Ifni, the Canary Islands, Cape Juby, the Spanish Sahara and Spanish Guinea. However, the nationalists are still the recognised legitimate government of Spain by the majority of capitalist powers. The Spanish territories in Northern Morrocco have broke away into independence, and the Socialists are planning on conquering them back. Now it is time for Socialist Spain to prove itself as a legitimate and strong nation.


I would go more into why the French supported the Republicans in this timeline, as the French Syndicates isn't a nation in the RP history anymore.

The op says they are.
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Postby Asardia » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:52 pm

Updated list of accepted apps. Is this everyone?

Soviet Union: Asardia
Democratic Republic of Germany/East Germany: Tysoania
The Syndicates of France: Alta Californians (they should be communist after WW2)
Empire of the Hellenes| Greece: Nea Byzantia
United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland: Hypron
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People's Republic of Japan: The Felan Federation
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Republic of China: Dentali
Kingdom of Sweden: The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune
United States of America: The Imperial Warglorian Empire
Norddeutschland: The Hobbesian Metaphysician
Union of Socialist Balkan Republics (USBR): Lemlar

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The African Socialist Provisional Government: The World Capitalist Confederation


There have been two applications for Spain, the earliest being yesterday and one I addressed, but didn't get a response. The other was made earlier today. I'll give United Elemental Nations more time to respond to my comments, otherwise I'll move on to the second app.

Lemlar wrote:
Country Name: Union of Socialist Balkan Republics (USBR)
Head of State/Government: Unitary Marxist–Leninist one–party socialist republic
Type of Government:
Capital: Bucharest and Sofia
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) Bulgaria+Romania
Population: 23,487,290
Faction: Soviets
History: Bulgaria and Romania having both gone through WWII together, and having faced fascism and been destroyed by it's effects decided to help each other to rebuild and were approached by Joseph Stalin a couple months after VE day in 1945 about potentially creating a balkan based version of the USSR called the SBR, meaning the Socialist Balkan Republic, this would be in contrast with an SSR, or Soviet Socialist Republic. Stalin helped both leaders draft up a plan to unite and merge their populations once the socialist and or communist party took over with the USSR's help of course. After the socialist takeover of both nations, the two decided to officially merge as suggested by Stalin. The new nation would call itself the Union of Socialist Balkan Republics and plan to enter into an alliance talk with Yugoslavia and Albania. Both nations would integrate each others ethnic groups into each others jurisdictions.


If you want me to, I can go further w my backstory.


I also just remembered that Lemlar made an app for a united Bulgaria+Romania, so I assume you abandoned the Albania app? This is kind of weird, but I do want to see how it goes

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Country Name: The African Socialist Provisional Government
Head of State/Government: Chairman Frederij De Klair (This is a callback to another RP that only a few of you will know)
Type of Government: Third World Socialism, Klairist Doctrine (Basically philosophical Maoism under a political and economic doctrine of syndicalism)
Capital: Johannesburg
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) Dispersed across Africa
Population: ???
Faction: Communist-leaning non-aligned
History: In 1930, a large decolonisation effort began with a South African pastor by the name of Frederij De Klair, who rallied the peoples of Africa first in non-violent resistance and later in more violent resistance with powerful rhetoric and the Western demonisation. For this, he was arrested for sedition in 1931, spurring on a large series of protests, escaping from prison in 1933. He made his rhetoric famous by hijacking radios and sending in spies through clandestine networks to spread De Klair's words. Whilst the movement got a mediocre amount of steam outside of rural farming areas, Johannesburg, parts of Belgian Congo and the areas surrounding Ethiopia, the end of WWII allowed De Klair, still in hiding training his troops for 15 years, waiting for the moment to strike, to declare his anti-Western crusade, with the aim of kicking the West out of Africa. His campaigns have been successful thus far, waging war on the Western Bloc effectively with the African Liberation Army, numbering about 75,000 strong. The African Socialist Provisional Government, meanwhile, has earned the assistance of farmers and oppressed minorities by distributing food in times of famine, along with small infrastructure spending. In fact, the 'safe' areas of ASPG control have been mostly unaffected by war, aside from the occasional Western air raid. By 1955, if the West doesn't give up the fight then, the ASPG will most likely be able to regroup and form a powerful resistance, as re-organisation is expected to finish by then. In 1955, the West will not be fighting plucky resistance fighters, but an organised army with control over considerable tracts of land...


I was constricted by the point of divergence problem, so I hope I didn't make too many alterations.


This seems more like a faction. I'm assuming you used the country app to add more detail? Looks good to me
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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:00 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:
I would go more into why the French supported the Republicans in this timeline, as the French Syndicates isn't a nation in the RP history anymore.

The op says they are.


After WWII, so the backstory still doesn’t make sense. Alta California also made another app, so who knows if they’re still active.

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Postby Lemlar » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:06 pm

Im dropping albania and keeping USBR
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Postby Alta Californians » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:11 pm

The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:The op says they are.


After WWII, so the backstory still doesn’t make sense. Alta California also made another app, so who knows if they’re still active.

yeah.
Although if the OP says it is in, then I could just Void the new app and replace it with a more comprehensive SF app

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