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Thoughts on rebooting?

1: Yes, reboot
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76%
2: A reboot is ok, but not now
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8%
3: Don't reboot
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Total votes : 25

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Postby Greater Liverpool » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:55 am

Hypron wrote:
Country Name: United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland
Head of State/Government: King George VI/ Prime Minister Winston Spencer Churchill
Type of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: London, England
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) The British Empire except India (I cant upload a picture to here as the website i used to use stopped working)
Population: 412,000,000
Faction: NATO
History: After the first world wars gripped the Empire, major political and economic problems gripped the nation. This was made even worse by The Great Depression, sending the British economy into free-fall. By 1939, however, Britain was a economic powerhouse once more. This came into play during WW2, when they needed this money to buy equipment from the United States. The British Empire was one of the Major powers in WW2, defeating Germany and Japan and bringing balance to Europe. The British Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, was the first to prepare with possible war with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in Europe.


Also don't want to pick a fight but shouldn't Attlee be Prime Minister?
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Postby Hypron » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
Hypron wrote:
Country Name: United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland
Head of State/Government: King George VI/ Prime Minister Winston Spencer Churchill
Type of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: London, England
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) The British Empire except India (I cant upload a picture to here as the website i used to use stopped working)
Population: 412,000,000
Faction: NATO
History: After the first world wars gripped the Empire, major political and economic problems gripped the nation. This was made even worse by The Great Depression, sending the British economy into free-fall. By 1939, however, Britain was a economic powerhouse once more. This came into play during WW2, when they needed this money to buy equipment from the United States. The British Empire was one of the Major powers in WW2, defeating Germany and Japan and bringing balance to Europe. The British Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, was the first to prepare with possible war with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in Europe.


Also don't want to pick a fight but shouldn't Attlee be Prime Minister?


Understandable. But this is the only alteration to British history i am making. In actual Reality, yes, Attlee would be Prime Minister. But, this is if Winston Churchill won the 1945 national elections.

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Postby Dentali » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:00 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
Hypron wrote:
Country Name: United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland
Head of State/Government: King George VI/ Prime Minister Winston Spencer Churchill
Type of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: London, England
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) The British Empire except India (I cant upload a picture to here as the website i used to use stopped working)
Population: 412,000,000
Faction: NATO
History: After the first world wars gripped the Empire, major political and economic problems gripped the nation. This was made even worse by The Great Depression, sending the British economy into free-fall. By 1939, however, Britain was a economic powerhouse once more. This came into play during WW2, when they needed this money to buy equipment from the United States. The British Empire was one of the Major powers in WW2, defeating Germany and Japan and bringing balance to Europe. The British Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, was the first to prepare with possible war with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in Europe.


Also don't want to pick a fight but shouldn't Attlee be Prime Minister?



POD is 1945 could easily be a Churchill win in this timeline. also If we are starting in 51 then he would be PM again
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Postby Hypron » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:01 pm

and i still control my giant empire, along with the tea supply.

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Postby Hypron » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:10 pm

Dentali wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:
Also don't want to pick a fight but shouldn't Attlee be Prime Minister?



POD is 1945 could easily be a Churchill win in this timeline. also If we are starting in 51 then he would be PM again


So either way, it makes some sense

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Postby Dentali » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:24 pm

Hypron wrote:and i still control my giant empire, along with the tea supply.



So are you just going to ignore all the de-colonization movements in India and elsewhere? POD is 45, its in full swing I don't see how you can avoid losing colonies all over the place. Britain is essentially bankrupt at this point without US aid.
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Postby Hypron » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:26 pm

Dentali wrote:
Hypron wrote:and i still control my giant empire, along with the tea supply.



So are you just going to ignore all the de-colonization movements in India and elsewhere? POD is 45, its in full swing I don't see how you can avoid losing colonies all over the place. Britain is essentially bankrupt at this point without US aid.


Im not going to ignore them entirely, and if it starts in 1945, i have 3,000,000 men in the British Army still, so supression of rebellion and independance movement, except in India, im going historical for India either way

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Postby Hypron » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:29 pm

3,120,000 to be exact.

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Postby Dentali » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:54 pm

Hypron wrote:3,120,000 to be exact.



Yea but thats CRAZY expensive and again your economy sucks, also America was anti-communist but also de-colonialist so they are likely not going to be happy if you start violently suppressing rebellions left and right
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Postby Hypron » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:05 pm

Dentali wrote:
Hypron wrote:3,120,000 to be exact.



Yea but thats CRAZY expensive and again your economy sucks, also America was anti-communist but also de-colonialist so they are likely not going to be happy if you start violently suppressing rebellions left and right


i wont have to deal with another independence problem until 1956, with Sudan, unless advocates for independence of His Majesty's colonies.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:18 pm

So I am going to get an application up for the United States, but I am going to ask, what do you all think will be major events off the bat once the IC gets started?
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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Postby The Felan Federation » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:21 pm

Country Name: People' Republic of Japan

Head of State/Government:
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Type of Government: One-Party Socialist State Republic

Capital: Tokyo

Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) Japan

Population: ~100 million people

Faction: Communism/Warsaw Pact

History: The history of Japan had changed, when the country had industrialized and became the Empire of Japan - having attempted to gain power and establish themselves as a regional power in Asia. While having great success against the Chinese and colonial powers in the Pacific - they ran afoul when they attacked Pearl Harbor bringing America into the Second World War.

Unlike the Germans, whom had surrendered in 1944 - the Japanese kept on fighting. Pulling the Soviet Union sooner onto the fields of their colonial dominion and allowing the Americans to push back the Imperial Navy and Army from all fronts. Still this rapid collapse, only emboldened the Japanese - as either side was seen as end to the Empire and the Emperor. When the Americans had bombed Hiroshima with a nuclear bomb - the Imperial War Cabinet and Imperial Family, were afraid that the Americans might drop a second bomb on Tokyo. Having warned the Japanese of more bombing unless they surrendered completely.

To prevent this, they relocated to Nagasaki - which was unfortunately, struck by the second nuclear bomb on Japan. In one blow, completely cutting off the political and military leadership of the nation. This void eventually being filled by the Japanese Communist Party lead by Rin Sora known then as 'Lady Ice-Wind' - with assistance from the Soviet Union, whom were able to send supplies and arms to the communist rebels. They would manage to storm and take the Imperial Palace and eliminated the remaining loyalists hold up inside.

Thus, the People' Republic of Japan was declared and called for an immediate cease-fire - happily handing over many Generals, officers and businessmen whom supported the Empire' ambition over to the Allies' Tribunal. Following this, the Communist Party of Japan received both industrial and economic aid from the Soviet Union. Allowing them to recover and turn over their society into a more socialist system that was a mix of Marxist-Leninism and more traditional culture at that. Although, following the start of the Cold War - they have been re-militarized.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:23 pm

I can definitely see one issue....the red menace of Japan, an extremely ironic one at that.
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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Postby The Felan Federation » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:25 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:I can definitely see one issue....the red menace of Japan, an extremely ironic one at that.


Don't look at us. Blame the Americans and the Imperials before us.

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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:32 pm

The Felan Federation wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:I can definitely see one issue....the red menace of Japan, an extremely ironic one at that.


Don't look at us. Blame the Americans and the Imperials before us.

I am not denying its plausibility, but its basically the biggest middle finger to irate Americans ever. Not only did Japan manage to escape a total American occupation it is a communist country at that. Sure the "war criminals" were handed over from what I read in your app, but now Japan is rebuilding its military apparatus for the next world war. I will say the U.S will definitely have a vested interest in keeping Korea united once that conflict begins due to a lack of staging grounds in Japan.
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Postby Asardia » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:36 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:So I am going to get an application up for the United States, but I am going to ask, what do you all think will be major events off the bat once the IC gets started?


The RP starts right when the USSR tests its first nuke, so that should be important. It's September 1949, so the Berlin Blockade have ended back in May. You also have the Indochina War, along with the possibility of a Korean War, although I'm not sure about that.

The Felan Federation wrote:
Country Name: People' Republic of Japan

Head of State/Government:

Type of Government: One-Party Socialist State Republic

Capital: Tokyo

Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) Japan

Population: ~100 million people

Faction: Communism/Warsaw Pact

History: The history of Japan had changed, when the country had industrialized and became the Empire of Japan - having attempted to gain power and establish themselves as a regional power in Asia. While having great success against the Chinese and colonial powers in the Pacific - they ran afoul when they attacked Pearl Harbor bringing America into the Second World War.

Unlike the Germans, whom had surrendered in 1944 - the Japanese kept on fighting. Pulling the Soviet Union sooner onto the fields of their colonial dominion and allowing the Americans to push back the Imperial Navy and Army from all fronts. Still this rapid collapse, only emboldened the Japanese - as either side was seen as end to the Empire and the Emperor. When the Americans had bombed Hiroshima with a nuclear bomb - the Imperial War Cabinet and Imperial Family, were afraid that the Americans might drop a second bomb on Tokyo. Having warned the Japanese of more bombing unless they surrendered completely.

To prevent this, they relocated to Nagasaki - which was unfortunately, struck by the second nuclear bomb on Japan. In one blow, completely cutting off the political and military leadership of the nation. This void eventually being filled by the Japanese Communist Party lead by Rin Sora known then as 'Lady Ice-Wind' - with assistance from the Soviet Union, whom were able to send supplies and arms to the communist rebels. They would manage to storm and take the Imperial Palace and eliminated the remaining loyalists hold up inside.

Thus, the People' Republic of Japan was declared and called for an immediate cease-fire - happily handing over many Generals, officers and businessmen whom supported the Empire' ambition over to the Allies' Tribunal. Following this, the Communist Party of Japan received both industrial and economic aid from the Soviet Union. Allowing them to recover and turn over their society into a more socialist system that was a mix of Marxist-Leninism and more traditional culture at that. Although, following the start of the Cold War - they have been re-militarized.


As The Hobbesian Metaphysician said, the US would have strong interest in Asia with a communist Japan. Overall, the app is fine. If Japan surrendered to the USSR, then that probably means they kept a presence at least in Manchuria. Accepted.
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:45 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
Country Name: The United States of Brazil
Head of State/Government: Getúlio Vargas
Type of Government: Multi-party Republic
Capital: Brasília
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) Brazil
Population: 70,992,343
Faction: Nato-Leaning although not an official member
History:

From the end of the Empire Brazil had been a nation that struggled to make a place in the world with the landowning elite control most of the country and nearly all of its politics and until 1930 Brazil was little more then an oligarchy. However in 1930 all that changed when the Revolution overthrew the old republic and at first established a interim government before creating a Republic in 1934, but things were not to be peachy as believed when in 1937 Vargas declared a State of emergency that effectively destroyed the republic that had been created with Vargas becoming the Dictator. In the years that followed Brazil entered what was called the Estado Novo era or New State. This was marked by Vargas attempts to reform Brazil into a modern nation as well as destroying the old powers of the elite and promoting the average people of Brazil.

It would be the Second World War that would provide the opportunity to make Brazil into the state he wanted. Brazil would enter the war on the allied side just a few days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour and would declare war on the Axis. Vargas now saw two opportunities, one was to begin a massive industrialisation and facial project that would greatly improve the economy of Brazil, and the other was to rid Brazil of the old guard which still haunted it. The Brazilian government would begin a massive land leasing program where allied nation could pay for material support in exchange for heavy machinery as well as industrial expertise. They would also support the allied nations through loans as well as providing food for most of the allied nations most importantly Britain. Vargas was also very clever he decided to send soldiers and generals off to war and keep his more loyal supports around him in Brazil. Through this he would launch many reforms like restructuring the armed forces so they are not as political strong as well pushing through land reform that would destroy the power of the elite.

By the end of the war Brazil had been revolutionised into a modern powerhouse with a strong economy as well a riding Brazil of many of the political problems that had plagued it and in the end Brazil would be further rewarded. On the 12th of May 1945 Vargas would announce the 1946 constitution that bring about the end of dictatorship and a new Republic on the 1st of January 1946. Brazil had came out of the War economical better off then when it had started, reaping in the profits of the War had made Brazil quite rich and in the following a small boom had come to Brazil but the rest of the world still suffered from the after effects. However as the end of the decade comes round Brazil has much to shine for, it is the shinning beacon of the south some say making its way up in the world and onto glory.
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Postby Asardia » Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:47 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:
Country Name: The United States of Brazil
Head of State/Government: Getúlio Vargas
Type of Government: Multi-party Republic
Capital: Brasília
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) Brazil
Population: 70,992,343
Faction: Nato-Leaning although not an official member
History:

From the end of the Empire Brazil had been a nation that struggled to make a place in the world with the landowning elite control most of the country and nearly all of its politics and until 1930 Brazil was little more then an oligarchy. However in 1930 all that changed when the Revolution overthrew the old republic and at first established a interim government before creating a Republic in 1934, but things were not to be peachy as believed when in 1937 Vargas declared a State of emergency that effectively destroyed the republic that had been created with Vargas becoming the Dictator. In the years that followed Brazil entered what was called the Estado Novo era or New State. This was marked by Vargas attempts to reform Brazil into a modern nation as well as destroying the old powers of the elite and promoting the average people of Brazil.

It would be the Second World War that would provide the opportunity to make Brazil into the state he wanted. Brazil would enter the war on the allied side just a few days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour and would declare war on the Axis. Vargas now saw two opportunities, one was to begin a massive industrialisation and facial project that would greatly improve the economy of Brazil, and the other was to rid Brazil of the old guard which still haunted it. The Brazilian government would begin a massive land leasing program where allied nation could pay for material support in exchange for heavy machinery as well as industrial expertise. They would also support the allied nations through loans as well as providing food for most of the allied nations most importantly Britain. Vargas was also very clever he decided to send soldiers and generals off to war and keep his more loyal supports around him in Brazil. Through this he would launch many reforms like restructuring the armed forces so they are not as political strong as well pushing through land reform that would destroy the power of the elite.

By the end of the war Brazil had been revolutionised into a modern powerhouse with a strong economy as well a riding Brazil of many of the political problems that had plagued it and in the end Brazil would be further rewarded. On the 12th of May 1945 Vargas would announce the 1946 constitution that bring about the end of dictatorship and a new Republic on the 1st of January 1946. Brazil had came out of the War economical better off then when it had started, reaping in the profits of the War had made Brazil quite rich and in the following a small boom had come to Brazil but the rest of the world still suffered from the after effects. However as the end of the decade comes round Brazil has much to shine for, it is the shinning beacon of the south some say making its way up in the world and onto glory.


Sorry I was distracted. Most of the apps, including yours, was accepted. I added it to the OP, but I think I forgot to actually say it here
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Postby Dentali » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:03 pm

Asardia wrote:
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:So I am going to get an application up for the United States, but I am going to ask, what do you all think will be major events off the bat once the IC gets started?


The RP starts right when the USSR tests its first nuke, so that should be important. It's September 1949, so the Berlin Blockade have ended back in May. You also have the Indochina War, along with the possibility of a Korean War, although I'm not sure about that.

The Felan Federation wrote:
Country Name: People' Republic of Japan

Head of State/Government:

Type of Government: One-Party Socialist State Republic

Capital: Tokyo

Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) Japan

Population: ~100 million people

Faction: Communism/Warsaw Pact

History: The history of Japan had changed, when the country had industrialized and became the Empire of Japan - having attempted to gain power and establish themselves as a regional power in Asia. While having great success against the Chinese and colonial powers in the Pacific - they ran afoul when they attacked Pearl Harbor bringing America into the Second World War.

Unlike the Germans, whom had surrendered in 1944 - the Japanese kept on fighting. Pulling the Soviet Union sooner onto the fields of their colonial dominion and allowing the Americans to push back the Imperial Navy and Army from all fronts. Still this rapid collapse, only emboldened the Japanese - as either side was seen as end to the Empire and the Emperor. When the Americans had bombed Hiroshima with a nuclear bomb - the Imperial War Cabinet and Imperial Family, were afraid that the Americans might drop a second bomb on Tokyo. Having warned the Japanese of more bombing unless they surrendered completely.

To prevent this, they relocated to Nagasaki - which was unfortunately, struck by the second nuclear bomb on Japan. In one blow, completely cutting off the political and military leadership of the nation. This void eventually being filled by the Japanese Communist Party lead by Rin Sora known then as 'Lady Ice-Wind' - with assistance from the Soviet Union, whom were able to send supplies and arms to the communist rebels. They would manage to storm and take the Imperial Palace and eliminated the remaining loyalists hold up inside.

Thus, the People' Republic of Japan was declared and called for an immediate cease-fire - happily handing over many Generals, officers and businessmen whom supported the Empire' ambition over to the Allies' Tribunal. Following this, the Communist Party of Japan received both industrial and economic aid from the Soviet Union. Allowing them to recover and turn over their society into a more socialist system that was a mix of Marxist-Leninism and more traditional culture at that. Although, following the start of the Cold War - they have been re-militarized.


As The Hobbesian Metaphysician said, the US would have strong interest in Asia with a communist Japan. Overall, the app is fine. If Japan surrendered to the USSR, then that probably means they kept a presence at least in Manchuria. Accepted.



I thought point of divergence was 1945 postwar? wouldn't that include surrendering to the United States? Furthermore the Soviet Union didn't declare war or have a navy on that side of the world large enough for that kind of oepration. Finally I clearly control Manchuria in my app so you can't have it.
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:10 pm

What is the official designation date for point of divergence? I only ask considering our communist french here were formed in the 1910s. Unless that is from before attempts were made to prevent the timeline from getting too out of wack.
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Postby Hypron » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:07 pm

Im just asking, in 1949, can a person use weapons that are slightly ahead of time? For example: The British L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle was introduced in 1954, but i want to use this on my 1949 marine units.
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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:16 pm

Tagging here. Is anywhere in Scandinavia reserved right now?

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Postby Asardia » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:27 pm

Dentali wrote:
Asardia wrote:
The RP starts right when the USSR tests its first nuke, so that should be important. It's September 1949, so the Berlin Blockade have ended back in May. You also have the Indochina War, along with the possibility of a Korean War, although I'm not sure about that.



As The Hobbesian Metaphysician said, the US would have strong interest in Asia with a communist Japan. Overall, the app is fine. If Japan surrendered to the USSR, then that probably means they kept a presence at least in Manchuria. Accepted.



I thought point of divergence was 1945 postwar? wouldn't that include surrendering to the United States? Furthermore the Soviet Union didn't declare war or have a navy on that side of the world large enough for that kind of oepration. Finally I clearly control Manchuria in my app so you can't have it.


The Soviet Union invaded Manchuria with 1.5 million men, which played a role in the surrender of Japan and the split of Korea. Now, if we're really talking about historical accuracy, then that means the Soviets would have maintained control of Manchuria if they didn't think China would be able to fall to communism. The success of the Mao Zedong led the Soviets to give it to the People's Republic of China

I just said the USSR would want to keep presence in that area, but since we want to keep things close to the timeline, a Manchuria occupied by the USSR would make more sense anyway. But I'm not going to push this. And plus, if the US player is fine with a communist Japan, then I see no objections.

The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:Tagging here. Is anywhere in Scandinavia reserved right now?


Scandinavia is open

Hypron wrote:Im just asking, in 1949, can a person use weapons that are slightly ahead of time? For example: The British L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle was introduced in 1954, but i want to use this on my 1949 marine units.


It seems the gun was still being manufactured around this time, and although I don't think it's a really big deal, I'd say stick with the 1948 weapons but see about speeding up research/production.

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:What is the official designation date for point of divergence? I only ask considering our communist french here were formed in the 1910s. Unless that is from before attempts were made to prevent the timeline from getting too out of wack.


That app was accepted before I clarified the roles. And it appears a communist Japan right at the end of 1945 is too much, and I'm just going to say this. Keep the changes to WW2. The French could have done some shenanigans about integrating Wallonie and East Switzerland to their land, but the most part, a communist France doesn't seem to stray too far off from the timeline. Maybe after WW2 the government goes communist
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Postby The Felan Federation » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:34 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:
The Felan Federation wrote:
Don't look at us. Blame the Americans and the Imperials before us.

I am not denying its plausibility, but its basically the biggest middle finger to irate Americans ever. Not only did Japan manage to escape a total American occupation it is a communist country at that. Sure the "war criminals" were handed over from what I read in your app, but now Japan is rebuilding its military apparatus for the next world war. I will say the U.S will definitely have a vested interest in keeping Korea united once that conflict begins due to a lack of staging grounds in Japan.


I would imagine, Japan is a more willing-Asian partner compared to IRL!China. Considering that Japan lacks natural resources and the USSR has plenty of them to spare.

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I thought point of divergence was 1945 postwar? wouldn't that include surrendering to the United States? Furthermore the Soviet Union didn't declare war or have a navy on that side of the world large enough for that kind of oepration. Finally I clearly control Manchuria in my app so you can't have it.


GM accepted my application, so I think it's okay.

Also. The point is - even with two nuclear bombs dropped, even the Americans didn't have boots on the ground and were VERY hesitant in invading the mainland itself. The thing is, the leadership was in chaos and when something approaching it was restored - Japan surrendered to the Communists and not the Americans. In hence, telling the Armed Forces to stand down and let the Soviets in and not the Americans.

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:38 pm

Country Name: Sweden|The Kingdom of Sweden
Head of State/Government: Gustav V/ Tage Erlander
Type of Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Capital: Stockholm
Map/location: Sweden. Being neutral in WWII doesn't give much room for expansion.
Population: 6,990,900 (OTL 1950 population -about 30,000, due to lack of refugees in this timeline)
Faction: Neutral, slightly western leanings

History: Sweden's history diverges from our own around 1943. In a more concentrated effort to remain neutral to Germany's posturing, Sweden, rather than taking in European and Jewish refugees, instead gave paltry naval assistance to an attempted evacuation of "undesirables" from German territory. This plan worked about as well as one might expect it to, and while a few refugee ships made it to England, the operation was a failure for the most part. This demoralized the Kingdom from providing further assistance to the Allies. When the Allies would invade Europe again, it would be without the Swedish intelligence and airbases it had in the original timeline. This did not have much impact on the Allies, but in Sweden, the effect was rather large. Extreme isolationism became government policy following the War.

When the masses of Europe called the Swedish name for relief in the days following the fall of the Reich, Sweden turned a blind eye. When cries for relief aimed at one of Euope's sole remaining industrial powers reached the Parliament, they fell on deaf ears. Instead Sweden participated in rather stingy and exclusive trade with both sides of the new emerging conflict. The profits from this exclusive trade were put towards instituting the welfare state in Sweden. However, industrialists and trade unionists, both of which were losing money and power from the isolation, abandoned the ruling Social Democratic party on mass. In the 1948 election, the Social Democrats lost a significant portion of their voters to both the Left party and the Liberal party. In addition, the Left party also an increase in Communist sympathizers during the election. As the new Parliament recovened, the question of the hour seemed to be which party would the barely victorious SDs form a coalition with to create a governement, along with their usual ally the Farmer's League. Erlander, a noted anti-communist, abandoned the Left for the Liberals, forming what many would call the "Strangle Coalition."

Though the Coalition created a government, the SDs and the Liberals often found themselves at odds over new reforms and neutrality. Though the two parties agreed on Sweden remaining a neutral power, the SDs favored the isolation, while the Liberals preferred a mutually beneficial role as a neutral trade hub for the world. Meanwhile, while the SDs tried to pass welfare reforms that the Liberals opposed for the most part. Fed up with gridlock, Erlander began to seek out ways he could force through his welfare legislation. Though he ultimately took no option in this regard, his consideration of such options was made public by an aide, agitating many centrist and right wing individuals in country. At the same time, rumors of Communist Interment Camps, supposedly set up by Erlander while he was a State Secretary, began to permeate the left. Several radical left wing ideological groups began to hold country wide protests, both garnering support and also driving a further wedge in the country. Sweden in 1949 finds itself at a crossroads between left and right wing ideologies, with Erlander and the SDs caught in the center, trying to keep the country together.


Name of faction: Vänsterförsvar, or VF for short
Leader: Oskar Nils
Influence: 1750 active members
Base of operations: Several hideouts on the outskirts of Stockholm.
Goals: To ensure a Socialist uprising in Sweden
History:The VF was formed by a once unknown Marxist named Oskar Nils in late 1948 after meeting with several other prominent radicals. The stated intention of the group was to bring the Revolution to Sweden, no matter the cost. Since then, VF has made several outposts outside of Stockholm and begun to organize itself as a proper paramilitary, though they have only just begun.


Name of faction: Herrförsvar, or HF
Leader: Klas Olsson
Influence: 8,725 active members
Base of operations: Malmö
Goals: To ensure the safety of the Swedish people against terrorist attacks.
History: HF was founded as an anti-communist paramilitary group in 1947 when the cracks in the SD government were first starting to form. It's founder, Klas Olsson, was a long time member of the Farmer's Union and vehement anti-communist. As fear and desperation began to grip the country heading into 1948, the HF began to grow in numbers, especially as the SDs began to aggrivate further the center and right wing. There is however a concern that the HF might be used as a rallying organization for far right nationalists and the remains of Sweden's brief Nazi movement.

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